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2020-21 Russian Pairs' figure skating

skylark

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It's just that it would be a change just before the olympic season. Of course in the current situation it is difficult to split training between Trankov and Zueva as the travels to USA and back are problematic and the last time they need is to lose time because of the travelling restrictions. Though, pairs are a novelty for the Eteri team (not complete novelty, as I reminded earlier, Daniil already did choreos for pairs). But it could be that they would train pair things with Trankov and individual things with Eteri. All in all, the curiosity is on the raise. :)
:) Very true!

I only hope Sergei Voronov will still be part of the team. And yet on the whole, it seems like a very structured training schedule and environment would be good at this point, and that competitive mental toughness is really all T/M need. One of Eteri team's specialties, if I'm not mistaken. Also, it might be good for T/M to be training as part of a large group; it might take them out of their own heads a little bit. Who knows? I agree that it seems like a this-is-last-ditch effort. But when you think of their training situation for the past 3 years, it's been chaotic. And I seem to recall an interview of them years ago when Evgenia said stability was very important to her.
 

coldblueeyes

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I think they've been on the game too long now, and it might seem like they've exhausted the other possibilites. Hopefully they can have a good season, and perhaps retire on a high, if that's the plan.
 

lurkerghost1

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:) Very true!

I only hope Sergei Voronov will still be part of the team. And yet on the whole, it seems like a very structured training schedule and environment would be good at this point, and that competitive mental toughness is really all T/M need. One of Eteri team's specialties, if I'm not mistaken. Also, it might be good for T/M to be training as part of a large group; it might take them out of their own heads a little bit. Who knows? I agree that it seems like a this-is-last-ditch effort. But when you think of their training situation for the past 3 years, it's been chaotic. And I seem to recall an interview of them years ago when Evgenia said stability was very important to her.
Voronov himself is a former Eteri student right? Did he have an amicable breakup with her? If so I could definitely see him remaining in their team
 

anonymoose_au

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Voronov himself is a former Eteri student right? Did he have an amicable breakup with her?
Sort of...he did bring her flowers, but she had a real issue with his mother and blamed her for Sergei's less than stellar results while with her (Eteri), which was mentioned publically.

I do hope Max and Sergei remain with T/M they make a good team! I always smile when I remember their celebrations at Rus Nats 🤗
 

coldblueeyes

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She’ll soon get reminded that not everyone behaves like her lady skaters who can jump quads at whim. Also, would they even have the time to perfect a quad jump? I commented before, her boys are also at standstill at the moment. And they don’t even have pairs elements to train.
 

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Happy 20th birthday to Nastya Mishina :cheer:🌹🌹🌹

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bookofcharms

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Tarasova/Morozov might get some of that Eteri bonus ... if it's a thing in pairs judging as well as ladies?

At any rate, the dynamic of that training team coaching grown men and women is an interesting concept to me.
 

coldblueeyes

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It still feels like their track record coaching adults is a bit spotty, so it would do them good to get older skaters over there. Also, maybe they'll start branching out to ID and other pairs.
 

Dreamer57

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Sort of...he did bring her flowers, but she had a real issue with his mother and blamed her for Sergei's less than stellar results while with her (Eteri), which was mentioned publically.

I do hope Max and Sergei remain with T/M they make a good team! I always smile when I remember their celebrations at Rus Nats 🤗
Trankov yes but I would be surprised if they keep Voronov as a coach, if Eteri is on their team then wouldn't she refer to Dudakov for jumps? I'm also interested to see whether they would use any new programs from Marina...or if DG is going to choreograph pairs programs for the Olympics too!
I'd love to see T/M on the Olympic podium. If anyone can give them strength from a mental perspective then Sambo-70 seems worth a try (if all this gets confirmed).
 

Colonel Green

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It still feels like their track record coaching adults is a bit spotty, so it would do them good to get older skaters over there. Also, maybe they'll start branching out to ID and other pairs.
My concern would be that pairs is already the most physically grueling discipline, so adding in a coaching team whose secret sauce is even more extensive repetition seems like it would exacerbate wear-and-tear considerably.

That said, T/M may be in a situation where they need to take a big risk.
 

coldblueeyes

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My concern would be that pairs is already the most physically grueling discipline, so adding in a coaching team whose secret sauce is even more extensive repetition seems like it would exacerbate wear-and-tear considerably.

That said, T/M may be in a situation where they need to take a big risk.
I think it's kind of a last-ditch effort. Will it work? Time will tell.
 

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It still feels like their track record coaching adults is a bit spotty, so it would do them good to get older skaters over there. Also, maybe they'll start branching out to ID and other pairs.
In the long term it would only do them good (and more importantly, do those older skaters good) if they actually had success with them. They've been prominent coaches for a decade now but Kvitelashvili is their only competitive skater over 20. Also, I respect what they do with the girls but this talk of branching out kind of underestimates the differences between disciplines... Zueva's occasional involvement with pairs shows specialists outside the field can work, but she only took on established pairs with a technical base and polished them up a bit. Which I guess will be the case here with TT and T/M.
Honestly the lack of stability in T/M's coaching situation post-Olympics is not helping... They never had a particular coaching arrangement for more than a season, no time to adjust. Though I guess pandemic travel restrictions sort of forced their hand for this and the next season.
 

coldblueeyes

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In the long term it would only do them good (and more importantly, do those older skaters good) if they actually had success with them. They've been prominent coaches for a decade now but Kvitelashvili is their only competitive skater over 20. Also, I respect what they do with the girls but this talk of branching out kind of underestimates the differences between disciplines... Zueva's occasional involvement with pairs shows specialists outside the field can work, but she only took on established pairs with a technical base and polished them up a bit. Which I guess will be the case here with TT and T/M.
Honestly the lack of stability in T/M's coaching situation post-Olympics is not helping... They never had a particular coaching arrangement for more than a season, no time to adjust. Though I guess pandemic travel restrictions sort of forced their hand for this and the next season.
I know we shouldn't really start discussing Eteri's antics and her school's situation, but I totally agree. I just mentioned it to be something interesting for Eteri as a coach, to have as many good skaters under her umbrella. For her prominance in Russia's skating, she had a grand total of one skater at Worlds. Anna is the World Champion under her, but so is S/K under Zhulin, and M/G with Moskvina, for example. I'm not sure it would be in her best interests to branch out that much, it was more of a joke, really. Even her daughter is not coached by her, for example.

As for T/M, there has been so much discussion surrounding them, but the big problem is that, they just don't perform that well internationally, or they crumble when it matters the most. It must also be hard to think that a pair that debuted at worlds won over them. But their coaching situation has been a mess since the Olympics, I'm sure that doesn't help.
 

icybear

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I think this T/M going to Eteri is just for politicking power. Any Eteri skater gets extra attention and generous inflation. Otherwise there is no reason because none of their coaches know anything about pairs elements.
 

flanker

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So it's official now:
 

Amei

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I think this T/M going to Eteri is just for politicking power. Any Eteri skater gets extra attention and generous inflation. Otherwise there is no reason because none of their coaches know anything about pairs elements.

Well based on the official statement Trankov will be 1 of their coaches and he does know pairs. T/M's issues (from my perspective) is delivering under pressure, that's something that Eteri gets her skaters to accomplish very well.
 

chasingneverland

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She’ll soon get reminded that not everyone behaves like her lady skaters who can jump quads at whim. Also, would they even have the time to perfect a quad jump? I commented before, her boys are also at standstill at the moment. And they don’t even have pairs elements to train.
*whoosh* It. Was. A. Joke.
 

chasingneverland

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I think this T/M going to Eteri is just for politicking power. Any Eteri skater gets extra attention and generous inflation. Otherwise there is no reason because none of their coaches know anything about pairs elements.
They're also going for packaging, choreography, and consistency.

Those are all Eteri's teams strengths. Yes, they have impressive technical contents but they are also incredibly consistent. Their programs are also optimized to bring in the maximum points they can.

(Fun fact: It's not just Eteri skaters who get "extra attention and generous inflation" - ALL the Russian skaters (and so did the US skaters) did on the World's stage and only one (1) of them was Eteri's - Anna. In fact, you could argue others got even more. As for attention on the national stage, they already get that, so really that goes against your point.)
 
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