2020-21 Russian Pairs' figure skating

[Tolstoj]

btw, Boikova does not have a very good off ice persona with that reaction. WT*

Oh we've heard at a previous event some not so kind words from Kozlovskii too.

Looking from the outside they aren't living well this internal competition with M/G, i don't know how happy they are that M/G learnt tricks from them (the opposite also happened though). Moskvina in the recent TSL interview dodged that question about the internal rivalry, how healthy it is.

There was also the big pressure after the short leading, you have to learn how to deal with that and it's not easy.

They can work on this in the summer it's not too bad, it's a learning experience and perfect timing before the Olympics, if anything this could push them to be 100% perfect next season, with new programs (cause this season the short was a bit meh and the long we've seen it a lot at this point, we're all ready to move on) and pressure off now.

 

[Corwin]

My heart bleeds for B\K, but M\G is just a space! They made such a mini feat, qualifying through the Cup of Russia. It's been a long time since we had such a feat, that on the debut World Cup and immediately into the champions.

 

[Sunny Little]

Just here to say I stan Mishina/Galliamov

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

Oh we've heard at a previous event some not so kind words from Kozlovskii too.

Looking from the outside they aren't living well this internal competition with M/G, i don't know how happy they are that M/G learnt tricks from them (the opposite also happened though). Moskvina in the recent TSL interview dodged that question about the internal rivalry, how healthy it is.

There was also the big pressure after the short leading, you have to learn how to deal with that and it's not easy.

They can work on this in the summer it's not too bad, it's a learning experience and perfect timing before the Olympics, if anything this could push them to be 100% perfect next season, with new programs (cause this season the short was a bit meh and the long we've seen it a lot at this point, we're all ready to move on) and pressure off now.

but Boikova / Kozlovski might have a growing resentment against Mishina / Gallaimov, sure not knee whacking severe
but more to Moskvina as to why she took Mishina/Gallaimov and are now catching up or will surpass them.

This wont end well, I predict a coaching change or a big off ice squabble.

 

[gordana]

Tamara's interview after Worlds

 

[flanker]

Tamara's interview after Worlds

“I can't even celebrate the victory, all the bars in our hotel are closed,” the coach of the world champions Tamara Moskvina jokingly replied to the congratulations.

Just Tamara

 

[anonymoose_au]

“I can't even celebrate the victory, all the bars in our hotel are closed,” the coach of the world champions Tamara Moskvina jokingly replied to the congratulations.

Just Tamara

She is goals!

I need to think to think to myself...WWTMD?

 

[nussnacker]

“I can't even celebrate the victory, all the bars in our hotel are closed,” the coach of the world champions Tamara Moskvina jokingly replied to the congratulations.

Just Tamara

She also said that she didn’t initially use the version with lyrics, because thought it’s too impudent/shameless for newbies like MG to be skating to „We are the champions“. But then thought that the desired effect is still not achieved without lyrics and decided, that she’s already 80, so she can afford doing something like that at least once
She’s so cute!

 

[anonymoose_au]

Do you really think Dima and Sasha would leave Moskvina? Where would they go?

I feel sad for them, I mean obviously Sasha shouldn't have said what she did, but it must have hurt...she and Dima were on top of the World last season and probably could have won 2020 Worlds. I can't be too mad at her, I imagine part of her feels she and Dima let Moskvina down by not winning.

 

[flanker]

Do you really think Dima and Sasha would leave Moskvina? Where would they go?

I feel sad for them, I mean obviously Sasha shouldn't have said what she did, but it must have hurt...she and Dima were on top of the World last season and probably could have won 2020 Worlds. I can't be too mad at her, I imagine part of her feels she and Dima let Moskvina down by not winning.

That's what they will have to realize themselves. I hope that today, after getting up of the bed and with less emotions and more reason they would leave behind their wounded pride and start to work with all responsibility again. They are too good to waste their talent in coaching changes just because they lost to their team members. There will be always another day and they have plenty of time to prove themselves.

 

[anonymoose_au]

That's what they will have to realize themselves.

Yes indeed.

I'm sure they will. They still came 3rd and they can be proud of that. They have grown on me since arriving on the scene.

I'm ready to give them the benefit of the doubt because I was super jealous of how well they did against T/M and all that. It would be most hypocritical of me.

I am looking forward to the new season, Pairs in Russia is always a rollercoaster, but the good stuff outweighs the bad.

 

[coldblueeyes]

I mean, we should never compare past and current competitions and everything should be decided on the ice. But M/G probably skated the best out of all pairs this entire season. They put out clean performance after clean performance, even after their own hardships. Not to say anyone else wasn’t deserving of the title, all pairs are deserving to some extent, but when a pair skates their programs clean as many times as these two did, they need to be compensated for that alone.
Especially in pairs with the jumps/throws that we’re always complaining about being the downfall of some amazing teams otherwise, these two have been delivering in all fronts. B/K have struggled this season with their throws. Many other teams with their SBS, but not these two. Were they perfect all season? No. But they made more than enough to deserve to be where they are.
As for Sasha Boiikova, I understand how she must feel, especially after having the chance in your hands and throwing it away. But they were never a super solid team to begin with. Even in their junior days they had fluke competitions. And maybe this was one of them. I do think it would be stupid to leave Moskvina now. Perhaps a change in perspective is what she needs instead of a change in attitude.

 

[Tolstoj]

but Boikova / Kozlovski might have a growing resentment against Mishina / Gallaimov, sure not knee whacking severe
but more to Moskvina as to why she took Mishina/Gallaimov and are now catching up or will surpass them.

This wont end well, I predict a coaching change or a big off ice squabble.

I don't know if it was ever explained, maybe she knew they could have been the best in the world, maybe the Federation asked her to coach them, in any case i don't think B/K were ever consulted about this move, they just have to accept it and live the experience with less tension.

Coaching change wouldn't be too smart so close to the Olympics, maybe they could try to convince Nina Mozer to coach them but that'd mean moving to Moscow and it's a risky move. I also think a lot of their success comes from Moskvina inputs, on the elements, the difficult transitions in and out, variations, etc.

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

I don't know if it was ever explained, maybe she knew they could have been the best in the world, maybe the Federation asked her to coach them, in any case i don't think B/K were ever consulted about this move, they just have to accept it and live the experience with less tension.

Coaching change wouldn't be too smart so close to the Olympics, maybe they could try to convince Nina Mozer to coach them but that'd mean moving to Moscow and it's a risky move. I also think a lot of their success comes from Moskvina inputs, on the elements, the difficult transitions in and out, variations, etc.

of course, Its not wise with Olympics happening next year, but they might after the Olympics and go to Mozer or Zoueva

Moskvina has done so much for them and they can still improve, it will be unwise for them to change coach.
Its all on B/K now and they need to be level headed, this is their first Worlds, they are young
Im sure this is not the first time Moskvina had these encounters from her long coaching career.

Has Moskvina ever coached 2 or more top pairs together before?

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

As for Sasha Boiikova, I understand how she must feel, especially after having the chance in your hands and throwing it away. But they were never a super solid team to begin with. Even in their junior days they had fluke competitions. And maybe this was one of them. I do think it would be stupid to leave Moskvina now. Perhaps a change in perspective is what she needs instead of a change in attitude.

This, B/K are notriously inconsistent even in juniors, M/G were always solid and technical
with current CoP, rewards go to the most technical and consistent skaters. For M/G it was always about the second marks that needed polish and improvements: speed, right choreography.

 

[Tolstoj]

of course, Its not wise with Olympics happening next year, but they might after the Olympics and go to Mozer or Zoueva

Moskvina has done so much for them and they can still improve, it will be unwise for them to change coach.
Its all on B/K now and they need to be level headed, this is their first Worlds, they are young
Im sure this is not the first time Moskvina had these encounters from her long coaching career.

Has Moskvina ever coached 2 or more top pairs together before?

I guess one easy switch they could try is to be coached by Oleg Vasiliev with Moskvina maybe still listed as secondary coach, since he also works in SPB (probably in the same club) and he has learnt a lot from Moskvina so it wouldn't be a huge change for them.

But again, i think they know how important is Moskvina's figure in their development.

Tamara definitely did coach 2 top pairs at the same time before: for example 1998 Olympics she had Kazakova/Dmitriev (gold) and Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze (silver).

 

[NastiaGalliamovfan]

I guess one easy switch they could try is to be coached by Oleg Vasiliev with Moskvina maybe still listed as secondary coach, since he also works in SPB (probably in the same club) and he has learnt a lot from Moskvina so it wouldn't be a huge change for them.

But again, i think they know how important is Moskvina's figure in their development.

but does Vasiliev have any current top pairs, their generous politiks and reputation might start to tank.
if they have a rough season after the change. Pavlyuchenko/Khodykin are always there and maybe even Panfilova / Rylov

 

[coldblueeyes]

Eh, I think we're jumping the gun. In the same way, moving away from Moskvina now, on the eve of the Olympics, is a precipitated. They'd benefit a lot more of the environment they're in, and they have the tools to get a gold next season, for sure. Even M/G could falter down the line, as they did before at Nats. And being close to them would be ideal to snatch a medal.

Moving to another camp next season is not a smart move, I'd say it causes too much change for such a season. They just need to do the work.

Though, I'd say it's hard to see the newcomers surpass you on the biggest competition, but M/G have always been extremely dilligent workers on the ice--also, they have never been off the podium in any competition they entered besides RNats, which they've never been on the podium, haha. If these two decide to up the ante for the coming season, they are going to try a lutz. And then the conversation will radically change.

 

[gordana]

I guess one easy switch they could try is to be coached by Oleg Vasiliev with Moskvina maybe still listed as secondary coach, since he also works in SPB (probably in the same club) and he has learnt a lot from Moskvina so it wouldn't be a huge change for them.

Vasiliev relocated to Belarus where he is a head coach of national team. He isn't in St Petersburg any longer.

 

[FelineFairy]

That's what they will have to realize themselves. I hope that today, after getting up of the bed and with less emotions and more reason they would leave behind their wounded pride and start to work with all responsibility again. They are too good to waste their talent in coaching changes just because they lost to their team members. There will be always another day and they have plenty of time to prove themselves.

The problem is their psychotype. Perfectionists. And from "the only child" position for their coach they are suddenly put into "compete for attention" position. I wrote in another thread prior to Worlds that I was really concerned about them, because it seems that they they can thrive only getting all the attention and assurance that they are the best. Moskvina has had lots of experience, also coaching two pairs. Successful most of the time. She must have thought it was useful for the development of both. However, it looks like Sasha and Dima have been hurt and feeling pain all the time. Hence all the uncertainty. It's like the first-born child suddenly getting a younger brother or sister. Jealousy is inevitable. The question is if and how soon it can be overcome. It's of course very easy to say "Athletes must be strong, must overcome obstacles, etc.etc." Sasha's words were not nice at all. It just shows the pain. I don't know if they are able to deal with it. If they do, it will be a good sign.