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Skate Canada is going to have to rehabilitate the program for women IMO these girls HAVE to start training quads and triple axels, or the simple fact is Canada wont be on a world podium ever again unless the top girls are disastrous that that isnt likely
 
Skate Canada is going to have to rehabilitate the program for women IMO these girls HAVE to start training quads and triple axels, or the simple fact is Canada wont be on a world podium ever again unless the top girls are disastrous that that isnt likely
I haven't followed Gabby recently. Has she changed coaches? She had big jumps and was a beautiful performer. As far as the younger ladies training quads and 3A's. Canada might need to look at the US Juniors. They are a MILE ahead of the Juniors from the past and I think it's because they hired Russian Coaches. Either that or, BEG Patrick Chan to become a fulltime coach. He had a full arsenal of big jumps and I think he'd be a great motivator.
 
as mentioned in one of my previous posts... we have to look at the much younger girls... None of the current seniors will develop the big jumps. Maddie just added her triple lutz... the younger girls are already showing more signs of promises... even the juniors (and when i say younger, i mean younger than juniors) are more willing to try the 3-3 or at least 2a-3t combos than the seniors... we have to show patience... we are in a jennifer robinson phase... we will get 1 spot for a while... and our canadian champion will go out there, as a good candidate for top 10-15... she will most likely manage to do her own stuff well... and represent well. But no podium chances until 2227, perhaps even 10 years from now IMHO
 
There is a HUGE gap between trying 3/3s and jumping quads. The US has one quad jumper, but she is lacking in many areas, including basic skating skills and presentation. Consider that the Russian fed bankrolls young promising skaters. And they have a coach who uses draconian methods: stretching young girls to a state of hyper flexibity, requires daily weigh-ins, and has skaters training quads when they are the age of NA juveniles. I doubt the NA federations will be willing to go to such lengths, and they sure won't be bankrolled by the respective governments.
 
There is a HUGE gap between trying 3/3s and jumping quads. The US has one quad jumper, but she is lacking in many areas, including basic skating skills and presentation. Consider that the Russian fed bankrolls young promising skaters. And they have a coach who uses draconian methods: stretching young girls to a state of hyper flexibity, requires daily weigh-ins, and has skaters training quads when they are the age of NA juveniles. I doubt the NA federations will be willing to go to such lengths, and they sure won't be bankrolled by the respective governments.
my point is not about 3/3 and quads... my point is about development. Prior to Joannie, a woman with all triples (except 3a) was rare in canada. Joannie lacked 3-3... back then, it didn't help that her 3Teu3S counted as a sequence and not a combo. Many girls did not have all triples... then we had alaine, gabby and kaetlyn : all triples, some more stable than others, and 3-3 combos... but below them, there was not much depth, with girls with all triples and 3-3.
We are starting to see now in junior ranks now, more than in seniors... More diversity in triples attempted. More difficult combos attempted in both the short and LP. So the technical content is shown to develop earlier...

It was the same path for Russians... Medvedeva, Zagitova, and the Eteri skaters before them did not have quads nor 3a either... but very strong 3-3s and the younger girls came out with quads... it took a couple olympic cycles. I believe Canadian and American girls (except for Liu) are also a couple cycles away from quads /3a. Japanese athletes seem to close the gap a bit faster.

So I agree that there is a world of difference when considering the elements themselves. However, considering the development of the skating in general, seeing harder triples and combos attempted earlier is definitely a huge improvement. Maddie finished 2nd at Nationals without a triple lutz a couple years ago... and we had years and years of medalists in Canada without full sets of triples (Amélie Lacoste for instance) etc...

What I am seeing in the younger age groups is definitely encouraging... but I repeat : patience is key
 
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I think Madi is the clear choice but it would be awesome to see Gabby return to her old self. Can you imagine if say Gabby scored 220 or more at Nats. Could they send her to oly?
 
I haven't followed Gabby recently. Has she changed coaches? She had big jumps and was a beautiful performer.
I believe Gabby is still with Lee Barkel. However, Lee left TCC for the Granite Club (both are "tony" private clubs in Toronto). So the coach would be the same, but not the environment or training partners. Gabby trained with Javi before the move and his retirement.
 
There is a HUGE gap between trying 3/3s and jumping quads. The US has one quad jumper, but she is lacking in many areas, including basic skating skills and presentation. Consider that the Russian fed bankrolls young promising skaters. And they have a coach who uses draconian methods: stretching young girls to a state of hyper flexibity, requires daily weigh-ins, and has skaters training quads when they are the age of NA juveniles. I doubt the NA federations will be willing to go to such lengths, and they sure won't be bankrolled by the respective governments.
We'll have to see what happens with young Isabeau. She really looks like the future and along with Lindsay and 16 year old Alysa, I think we're in fine shape. Isabeau is extremely flexible and has been doing very well on the Junior Circuit. We'll see how things go when the JGPF gets here but, I wouldn't say there is a "HUGE GAP"

I just realized that this is the Canadian thread and not the US. I apologize.
 
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The immediate cause of Lajoie/Lagha finishing behind Davis/Smolkin at SCI was the former only got a level 2 on their combination spin, which is one of the levelled elements where you should always be getting a 4. If they had they’d have stayed ahead of them.
Ahem, the reason they finished behind Davis/Smolkin, when Lajoie/Lagha are demonstrably better skaters at this point in their relative careers, was not due to any element at all. It was due to the utterly blatant Russian politicking for the daughter of coach Eteri, who I would venture to say is one of the most powerful figures in Russian skating today. I fully expect to see this brand new team continue to leapfrog inexplicably (performance and program-wise) up the standings. I would not be remotely surprised to see them gifted the third Russian spot to the Olympics. And I fully expect them to land at least in the middle of the top 10 by next year at the latest. If you think it's about talent and skill, I have bridge in Brooklyn you can buy shares in. I have a feeling they'll even be able to out-politick Annabelle Morozov and partner (who I think actually have more potential).
 
I haven't followed Gabby recently. Has she changed coaches? She had big jumps and was a beautiful performer. As far as the younger ladies training quads and 3A's. Canada might need to look at the US Juniors. They are a MILE ahead of the Juniors from the past and I think it's because they hired Russian Coaches. Either that or, BEG Patrick Chan to become a fulltime coach. He had a full arsenal of big jumps and I think he'd be a great motivator.
Patrick is now a part of the coaching team for a Novice young boy named Travis Trang. 🙄 Just came across the boy's performances at the Sectionals, things seems to go well with them all.
 
Ahem, the reason they finished behind Davis/Smolkin, when Lajoie/Lagha are demonstrably better skaters at this point in their relative careers, was not due to any element at all. It was due to the utterly blatant Russian politicking for the daughter of coach Eteri, who I would venture to say is one of the most powerful figures in Russian skating today. I fully expect to see this brand new team continue to leapfrog inexplicably (performance and program-wise) up the standings. I would not be remotely surprised to see them gifted the third Russian spot to the Olympics. And I fully expect them to land at least in the middle of the top 10 by next year at the latest. If you think it's about talent and skill, I have bridge in Brooklyn you can buy shares in. I have a feeling they'll even be able to out-politick Annabelle Morozov and partner (who I think actually have more potential).
Don't worry, when Davis and Smolkin start leap frogging some of the American teams, we will no longer be the only ones noticing it and mentioning it.
 
If Nam is really almost done with competing (as he said before), 2021 NHK Trophy will be his very last Grand Prix competition of his competitive career. :) I guess I just need to hope for some optimistic things to the young man no matter what his final decision will be. :pray:
P.s: Time went by quickly. It's been 7 years since Nam's senior debut as the 2014 Junior World Champion. Since then, things have never been easy with him, both on and off the ice, but at least he has been strong and calm enough to stay in the field till now. :)
 
Ahem, the reason they finished behind Davis/Smolkin, when Lajoie/Lagha are demonstrably better skaters at this point in their relative careers, was not due to any element at all. It was due to the utterly blatant Russian politicking for the daughter of coach Eteri, who I would venture to say is one of the most powerful figures in Russian skating today. I fully expect to see this brand new team continue to leapfrog inexplicably (performance and program-wise) up the standings. I would not be remotely surprised to see them gifted the third Russian spot to the Olympics. And I fully expect them to land at least in the middle of the top 10 by next year at the latest. If you think it's about talent and skill, I have bridge in Brooklyn you can buy shares in. I have a feeling they'll even be able to out-politick Annabelle Morozov and partner (who I think actually have more potential).
Yeah, Skate Canada was really tough for Lajoie/Lagha - a team that have different styles of expression (she is dazzling showman ship, he is more informed by his years of competitive piano competitions, IMHO), but equally committed to expression. Very well matched - one partner is not carrying the other at any one time in their programs.

(I also think Davis/Smolkin will be at the Olympics next year, and have high placements at future worlds/international competitions. Wonder what the other Russian teams are making of this.)
 
let's not focus so much on piano competitions... Zach has not reached the same potential as a musician as he has as a skater. Not too sure his demeanor would be associated to the focus and precision coming from the insane world of piano competition... Maybe... but I would not make that association automatically. I see Zach as a very passionate and intense young man. We can see this in the power of every single one of his moves. He goes all in. He could, at times, being more demonstrative... but you know, people complained about Patrick for the same reasons... and I kept saying : look at his feet and blades... not his face... it's is figure skating... not miming.
 
let's not focus so much on piano competitions... Zach has not reached the same potential as a musician as he has as a skater. Not too sure his demeanor would be associated to the focus and precision coming from the insane world of piano competition... Maybe... but I would not make that association automatically. I see Zach as a very passionate and intense young man. We can see this in the power of every single one of his moves. He goes all in. He could, at times, being more demonstrative... but you know, people complained about Patrick for the same reasons... and I kept saying : look at his feet and blades... not his face... it's is figure skating... not miming.
The problematic side is as long as Zach actually wins something internationally, all the complaining pieces would definitely be nowhere found, or at least, would decrease strongly. 🤦‍♂🤷‍♂️ People, on the one hand, just have more reasons to complain when the skaters are on the building stage internationally. Just like they did with Patrick when he won his first national title in 2008 and then finished 9th in the world. (At that time, many believed that Skate Canada disrepected Jeff by pushing up a newbie like Patrick, even though he was the Grand Prix France Champion back in 2007 - 2008 season). On the other hand, a year later, all the critism just declined because he won his first 4CC title in 2009 and also brought home his first ever Worlds silver medal. 🙄 That's what I've always disliked about the off-ice community of this sport, including many of the spectators who always give themselves the right to bash one skater in a particular situation, but also ask for sympathy for others who are their faves but in the same situation. Honestly, every athletes want their trophy room to be piled up from years to years. But at the end of the day, they are all human and definitely, no one wants to flop, but becoming a champion is somehow a destiny, also.
 
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let's not focus so much on piano competitions... Zach has not reached the same potential as a musician as he has as a skater. Not too sure his demeanor would be associated to the focus and precision coming from the insane world of piano competition... Maybe... but I would not make that association automatically. I see Zach as a very passionate and intense young man. We can see this in the power of every single one of his moves. He goes all in. He could, at times, being more demonstrative... but you know, people complained about Patrick for the same reasons... and I kept saying : look at his feet and blades... not his face... it's is figure skating... not miming.
Here's my thought process on that. I also grew up doing skating and Royal Conservatory of Music piano training (along with other activities, didn't have the typical social life of most kids because I didn't "hang out" after school). In no way did I reach Zach's skating or piano expertise (went to a regular day school), but I spent over a decade in skating and musical training.

I feel that those skaters that get serious musical instruction have a chance to not just learn how to interpret music, but understand how it is constructed by playing music themselves. They learn pieces of music, timing, and performing in front of others (and in Zach's case, while competing). There are so many elements this brings to his skating, perhaps not overtly, but it provides him with a strong off-ice foundation in musicality. His passion and intensity derives, IMHO, in part from this foundation.

I made this comment because sometimes he gets random online criticism that he's trying to "be like Scott Moir" when he is in fact his own skater. He may share similarities with Scott at times, and may want to achieve a similar level of success to Scott, but I just feel that he comes by his skating persona from his own life experiences.
 
Lajoie/Lagha remind me of Hawayek/Baker. Sort of "Best of the Rest" teams in their own country, and the international judges just refuse to get behind either team.

I think both teams are amazing, and I can't figure out why others don't see it like I do.
 
Lajoie/Lagha remind me of Hawayek/Baker. Sort of "Best of the Rest" teams in their own country, and the international judges just refuse to get behind either team.

I think both teams are amazing, and I can't figure out why others don't see it like I do.
I LOVE Hawayek and Baker and I was furious at how shafted they were at Worlds last season. Their FD was a masterpiece — that one-foot step sequence was absolutely stunning. Their skating skills and expression are top notch — edges, speed, smooth as silk across the ice.
 
Lajoie/Lagha remind me of Hawayek/Baker. Sort of "Best of the Rest" teams in their own country, and the international judges just refuse to get behind either team.

I think both teams are amazing, and I can't figure out why others don't see it like I do.
I think that the LaLas are more in the “up and coming team” category though. I’d say the more relevant comparison would be to Carreira/Ponomarenko, who are similar in age and development level. To me Hawayek and Baker are much more senior/established.

What the LaLas and Hawayek/Baker have in common though is that both have very senior, Worlds podium-level teams ahead of them in their country’s dance landscape. I would suspect that their placements will improve as the teams ahead of them begin to retire.
 
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