2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[[email protected]]

For the second consecutive competition, I am asking the same answer and I do not find an answer. Adelya is my favorite, and maybe I'm biased, but I have a suspicion that she is deliberately underestimated in order to reduce competition in the final and give a chance to squeeze in not only Russian figure skaters.

There are no hard evidence for that. There is just my long time opinion is that the whole level business for spins and especially step sequence is dubious to put it mildly. And all ideas to increase BV for them have to remain just ideas.

 

[nussnacker]

Remember Agneta Latushkina from Ioshkar-Ola, who used to only have temporary sessions with coaches in other cities, didn’t have a proper coach and would go to competitions all alone?
She finally has a coach, she’ll join Rukavitsyn’s team!
She showed very impressive performances and good scores without a coach, I’m sure she’ll do even better now that she has one. I’m happy it worked out for her!

 

[Jeanie19]

Remember Agneta Latushkina from Ioshkar-Ola, who used to only have temporary sessions with coaches in other cities, didn’t have a proper coach and would go to competitions all alone?
She finally has a coach, she’ll join Rukavitsyn’s team!
She showed very impressive performances and good scores without a coach, I’m sure she’ll do even better now that she has one. I’m happy it worked out for her!

I'm so happy about her having a coach. She is a delightful skater.

 

[bostonskaterguy86]

On the StSq, my guess would be that she's not rotating in one direction enough. I see she's constantly rotating counterclockwise, the only rotations she did clockwise were one twizzle and one loop, for a total of 4 revolutions whereas she did over 10 in the other direction.

I think it was hopped / flawed turns. It looks like she hopped the RBI rocker that was part of her right-foot turn cluster, so that probably invalidated the turn cluster level feature. She definitely went up on her pick during the LFI loop toward the end (you can even kind of see on her face that she knows she flubbed it), but that wasn't part of a cluster and it wasn't her only clockwise loop, so I don't think that's what got her.

 

[Vemvane]

Bringing the videos of this fantastic young skater at the Cup of Russia Stage 1 here, from 1tv's YouTube channel. Veronika got off to a great start with her SP, and finished the competition second overall.

SP:



FP:



Her 2A is huge - makes me wonder if she's training a triple.

 

[Jontor]

Remember Agneta Latushkina from Ioshkar-Ola, who used to only have temporary sessions with coaches in other cities, didn’t have a proper coach and would go to competitions all alone?
She finally has a coach, she’ll join Rukavitsyn’s team!
She showed very impressive performances and good scores without a coach, I’m sure she’ll do even better now that she has one. I’m happy it worked out for her!

And we will see her tomorrow at Russian Cup Juniors! I just hope that Nugumanova's URs are not contagious in the Rukavicin camp.

 

[Jontor]

Bringing the videos of this fantastic young skater at the Cup of Russia Stage 1 here, from 1tv's YouTube channel. Veronika got off to a great start with her SP, and finished the competition second overall.

SP:



FP:



Her 2A is huge - makes me wonder if she's training a triple.

Yes, she was like a little firecracker today! She has a great position now for RusNats, but the stages will be tough as it can be as low as only four contestants from the Russian Cup that will qualify to RusNats.

 

[vorravorra]

Yes, and if I understand it all correctly, if she qualifies for senior nationals, she automatically qualifies for juniors too...if she wants it.

I don't think that's so, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for pairs to skate in both seniors and juniors in the Russian Cup events to qualify for both senior and junior Nationals. Exceptions have been made in the past for top skaters who had missed the cut-off for Euros and Worlds to try for Junior Worlds provided they are young enough, but she is not someone to whom this applies. Lower-level skaters generally have to choose which Nationals they want to try for (except for pairs who are allowed to try for both).

 

[Jontor]

I don't think that's so, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for pairs to skate in both seniors and juniors in the Russian Cup events to qualify for both senior and junior Nationals. Exceptions have been made in the past for top skaters who had missed the cut-off for Euros and Worlds to try for Junior Worlds provided they are young enough, but she is not someone to whom this applies. Lower-level skaters generally have to choose which Nationals they want to try for (except for pairs who are allowed to try for both).

Yes, maybe that was just last year's rule because of covid. Tsibinova, Molchanova and Kostina only qualified for seniors, but competed in both senior and junior nationals.

 

[vorravorra]

Yes, maybe that was just last year's rule because of covid. Tsibinova, Molchanova and Kostina only qualified for seniors, but competed in both senior and junior nationals.

Yes, last season had special selection rules because you couldn't qualify for Junior Nationals through JGP, which is how the stronger juniors usually qualify for it, so they have to do senior Russian Cup events to qualify for both Nationals (unless they make the JGPF).

 

[katymay]

Bringing the videos of this fantastic young skater at the Cup of Russia Stage 1 here, from 1tv's YouTube channel. Veronika got off to a great start with her SP, and finished the competition second overall.

SP:



FP:



Her 2A is huge - makes me wonder if she's training a triple.

I remember her from last year, and remember thinking last year she was underscored, and overlooked. . Underscored today as well. I think you must have either a 3A or a quad or both to fast track, and she is capable of both with her powerful legs. I hope she rocks her next outing and makes Russian Nationals.

 

[vorravorra]

http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_375708/

I have looked in this document and the Junior Nationals selection rules have not been updated from last season as they talk about places in the Russian Cup events in 2020-2021. So who knows what is going on with Junior Nationals eligibility this season.

Since Maria Zakharova turned 14 on 21 September, under the old rules she could have tried for Senior Nationals, but she isn't doing that but skating in juniors in the Russian Cup (despite already having earned a Junior Nationals spot through JGP as I doubt they would change that criterion). This may mean that they have kept last season's rule that only those who are 14 by the beginning of the season are eligible for senior events.

 

[Shayuki]

I think it was hopped / flawed turns. It looks like she hopped the RBI rocker that was part of her right-foot turn cluster, so that probably invalidated the turn cluster level feature. She definitely went up on her pick during the LFI loop toward the end (you can even kind of see on her face that she knows she flubbed it), but that wasn't part of a cluster and it wasn't her only clockwise loop, so I don't think that's what got her.

Yeah the rocker definitely did also look hopped but it was tough to tell for sure with that angle.

However, the reason I'd assume it was the rotations is because I don't think her rocker had an issue in the last competition and it still was lvl 3(that indeed was the first thing I checked).

 

[Hadassa]

Congrats to Adelya for winning! I am glad she will be at the final. I hope the final takes place.

 

[Mariiiiskate]

Davydov not backing off that 3A-3T in sp could possibly end up costing Sofia S a spot in JGPF depending how they will decide who will get a spot. If they go by placement after all both Lindsay and Isabeau will go ahead of her as both have a gold medal and Lindsay has a bronze its to be to seen what Isabeu will get against Sofia M and Zinina. If its total score of 2 events she has Lindsay beat there but Isabeau could still beat her if she includes and lands a 4T in Austria same thing if they go based on top 6 highest totals.

 

[PavelSky]

From CoR (juniors)

Mariia Zakharova - 70.41
TES 39.73 + PCS 30.68




Sofia Titova - 68.10
TES 37.86 + PCS 30.24

 

[florin]

Congrats to Adelya for winning! I am glad she will be at the final. I hope the final takes place.

There are no realistic scenarios in which she does not get to the final.

 

[[email protected]]

Davydov not backing off that 3A-3T in sp could possibly end up costing Sofia S a spot in JGPF depending how they will decide who will get a spot. If they go by placement after all both Lindsay and Isabeau will go ahead of her as both have a gold medal and Lindsay has a bronze its to be to seen what Isabeu will get against Sofia M and Zinina. If its total score of 2 events she has Lindsay beat there but Isabeau could still beat her if she includes and lands a 4T in Austria same thing if they go based on top 6 highest totals.

Bringing Lindsay to JGPF will be unfair to stronger Russians. It will be unfair to her as well because she will be a clear "also ran" in the final. Who are Russian skaters for the final other than Akatyeva and Petrosyan, that's the question.

 

[Tolstoj]

Davydov not backing off that 3A-3T in sp could possibly end up costing Sofia S a spot in JGPF depending how they will decide who will get a spot. If they go by placement after all both Lindsay and Isabeau will go ahead of her as both have a gold medal and Lindsay has a bronze its to be to seen what Isabeu will get against Sofia M and Zinina. If its total score of 2 events she has Lindsay beat there but Isabeau could still beat her if she includes and lands a 4T in Austria same thing if they go based on top 6 highest totals.

Imo i'd also keep the 3A-3T, since quads are still not allowed in the SP, having the 3A gives you a significant bonus for now and for the future. I'd maybe rework the entry with something easier, since in Ladies you're going to get high GOE for a 3a anyway if you land it.

But Davydov always change layout of the programs, from competition to competition and while it maybe helps skaters to try different elements, it hurts consistency and the muscle memory.

If Samodelkina kept the exact same contents of her free skate in Russia with the quad lutz and 2 quad sal she could have won here.

Why watering down when you are 5 points behind, and you're in no danger of losing that second place and your competitor only has one quad toe?

 

[Anya00]

Imo i'd also keep the 3A-3T, since quads are still not allowed in the SP, having the 3A gives you a significant bonus for now and for the future. I'd maybe rework the entry with something easier, since in Ladies you're going to get high GOE for a 3a anyway if you land it.

But Davydov always change layout of the programs, from competition to competition and while it maybe helps skaters to try different elements, it hurts consistency and the muscle memory.

If Samodelkina kept the exact same contents of her free skate in Russia with the quad lutz and 2 quad sal she could have won here.

Why watering down when you are 5 points behind, and you're in no danger of losing that second place and your competitor only has one quad toe?

I think the thing is the quad lutz was never planned last time either she just decided to add it so no muscle memory there either unfortunately. At this point idek what her original layout is