2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Arbitrary]

What? do they write this on all Russian forums? I didn't see that

I don't really believe in such logical constructions myself. But it is possible to understand the mindset of those people who make such hypotheses. Suddenly the judges stopped noticing the Liza's URs and the PСS suddenly rose to 75 (Finland), and in SP Lisa suddenly began to receive 80. Hmm... interesting... And what do we have on the calendar? Olympic year... Hmm.... wait a second...

Liza will be at Olympics regardless what RusFS forums written on. She's interesting to watch. Not as all the jumper-youngsters, she skates well, and she brings hope for a longer career.
Many would be happy to skate at this level and medal at Worlds, being equal in "experience" (don't want to use "age" here).

Just some health to keep and welcome to Olympics. She can skate Teams event SP, I think so.

 

[halulupu]

Yes, half of Liza's non-technical content consists of staying on the place and shaking her back and when she's moving it's slow as meadow slaver. She's still telegraphing jumps. That truly deserves same/higher SS and TR. C'mon.

The complaints are there because in any comparison Liza's non-jumping abilities and content are weak but heavilily prized. People mistake seductive moves for quality, that's why I'm so against the word "selling the program" so often used, because "selling" is not about the quality but about the camouflage. Any travelling salesman is trained to sell anything, even if that's just golden dung.

Please read again. I didn't say anything about liza score. Was talking exclusively about aljonas generic program swaps

 

[flanker]

Please read again. I didn't say anything about liza score. Was talking exclusively about aljonas generic program swaps

But that is the problem. If Aliona receives 8.5, than Liza should receive 6. Ergo the reason why people are angry about it is not the number, but the number in relation with other numbers.

 

[Matthew]

As someone who normally finds Kamila unexpressive, she really sold that Bolero here. She had all the smiles and sass, and they looked real, she was feeling it. She gave a more invested performance here than she ever did with any of her lyrical programs.

Not ever. In the 2019/20 season when she was still a junior she was very invested in her performances. That's the reason for that I was astonished that she didn't it earlier this season (at the Russion test skates). Since then, Team Tudberidze has hired a Bolschoi primadonna for teaching Valieva and it has paid off.

 

[halulupu]

But that is the problem. If Aliona receives 8.5, than Liza should receive 6. Ergo the reason why people are angry about it is not the number, but the number in relation in other numbers.

IMO they should have more or less the same pcs. Pcs are politcal and fashion. Liza had her fair share of underscoring and now for some reason she gets overscored. So be it. She is playing the game well, has the crowed behind her and is very stabel. Aljonas current programms and execution are just nothing special at all. And by the way, where are her transistions gone? cross overs are her new transitions.

 

[discode]

On Russian FS forums, the prevailing opinion is that the USFed and JapaneseFed are deliberately promoting Liza. Because at the OG it is easiest to cut her off the podium.

For example:
"This is a targeted campaign against Khrustalny in order to introduce into the Russian Olympic team such a Trojan horse, which can then really be easily moved away from the podium. The beginning was laid back in Finland and now it continues."

This is some conspiracy theory nonsense. And people here should have more faith in Liza since there's no Japanese or American lady who can beat her. Rika from 2018 could, but not the current Rika from the last few seasons. I think maybe You Young could if she improved from her SA performance and stabilized her 3a, but I find it hard to believe JFS/USFS would go to bat for a Korean skater... Kaori is also so hit or miss and more likely to miss when the competition is important.

You might not like Liza, but rest assured she (and most Russian women) are better than 99% of everyone else. If Liza made the Olympic team she'd medal. Simple as that. You can debate if you think she should be the one going or not of course.

And Kamila is just IT and she scares me a bit since that's not even her best yet.

 

[flanker]

IMO they should have more or less the same pcs. Pcs are politcal and fashion. Liza had her fair share of underscoring and now for some reason she gets overscored. So be it. She is playing the game well, has the crowed behind her and is very stabel. Aljonas current programms and execution are just nothing special at all. And by the way, where are her transistions gone? cross overs are her new transitions.

If Liza's PCS was 67 as it used to be (because she really didn't improve a thing in that matter) I would not complain at all. But they are suddenly giving her 4-5 points more for literally the same lame skating, maybe just better covered with sexually expressive gestures and movements. Aliona may not be on the level she was 18 months ago but still her SS and TR are miles ahead of Liza. Possible objetions towards choreo should aim to composition, not to other components.

 

[florin]

Liza will be at Olympics regardless what RusFS forums written on.

Do you have the gift of prophecy?

 

[Tolstoj]

Yes, half of Liza's non-technical content consists of staying on the place and shaking her back and when she's moving it's slow as meadow slaver. She's still telegraphing jumps. That truly deserves same/higher SS and TR. C'mon.

The complaints are there because in any comparison Liza's non-jumping abilities and content are weak but heavilily prized. People mistake seductive moves for quality, that's why I'm so against the word "selling the program" so often used, because "selling" is not about the quality but about the camouflage. Any travelling salesman is trained to sell anything, even if that's just golden dung.

Well at least she's doing something, while Aliona has two big crossovers in her choreo sequence with slow speed and nothing for choreography.

I agree that flailing arms is not great choreography but at least it's better than nothing.

On youtube you can see both programs watching from the stands, and see that Aliona's program without the fine camera angles is even worse.

 

[flanker]

Well at least she's doing something, while Aliona has two big crossovers in her choreo sequence with slow speed and nothing for choreography.

I agree that flailing arms is not great choreography but at least it's better than nothing.

On youtube you can see both programs watching from the stands, and see that Aliona's program without the fine camera angles is even worse.

Components =/= choreo sequence, which also is more matter of taste and for me doing anything while staying should not be valued within the range 8.68-9.14, that's a gift, not evaluation.

 

[Jontor]

If we are having a GPF Final like we used to have...

...I can see no other options than a full 6 Russian Women event.
Valieva . sure
Trusova . sure
Shcherbakova - sure
Tuktamysheva - sure
Khromykh - has two easy events so very likely

6th place will be a battle between Kostornaia and Usacheva. Alëna has France left and should easily come 2nd, Daria has a little tougher competition at NHK.

The only non-Russian I can see as a threat is You at NHK, but she needs to beat Daria.

 

[Scott512]

I love the Bolero program! Kami is simply exceptional, I am very excited! It is a privilege to be a fan of figure skating these days. What Kamila just did is historical!

What did she do? I just woke up.

Very true it is an honor being a fan of so many great figure skaters at one time especially where the ladies and the Russian ladies in particular.

 

[Scott512]

If we are having a GPF Final like we used to have...

...I can see no other options than a full 6 Russian Women event.
Valieva . sure
Trusova . sure
Shcherbakova - sure
Tuktamysheva - sure
Khromykh - has two easy events so very likely

6th place will be a battle between Kostornaia and Usacheva. Alëna has France left and should easily come 2nd, Daria has a little tougher competition at NHK.

The only non-Russian I can see as a threat is You at NHK, but she needs to beat Daria.

Do you think the international skating Union was all six spots taken by Russians and then only three spots for the Olympics it would make the sport look very bad? In fact the Grand Prix season should help determine who gets how many spots in the Olympics or world or Europeans they need to make the Grand Prix season me more because that's where the skaters earn what they get.

 

[skatesofgold]

On Russian FS forums, the prevailing opinion is that the USFed and JapaneseFed are deliberately promoting Liza. Because at the OG it is easiest to cut her off the podium.

For example:
"This is a targeted campaign against Khrustalny in order to introduce into the Russian Olympic team such a Trojan horse, which can then really be easily moved away from the podium. The beginning was laid back in Finland and now it continues."

But that's under the assumption that Liza makes Russia's Olympic team, which depends on who Russia chooses. The talent is so high in Russia that if Kamila, Anna (back in form), and Sasha place ahead of her at internal competitions, like Russian Nationals, they could very easily leave Liza off.

 

[Tolstoj]

Components =/= choreo sequence, which also is more matter of taste and for me doing anything while staying should not be valued within the range 8.68-9.14, that's a gift, not evaluation.

Performance and Interpretation are two of the five components though.

Aliona's PCS are also a bit overmarked when compared to the Japanese skaters.

 

[kan01]

If we are having a GPF Final like we used to have...

...I can see no other options than a full 6 Russian Women event.
Valieva . sure
Trusova . sure
Shcherbakova - sure
Tuktamysheva - sure
Khromykh - has two easy events so very likely

6th place will be a battle between Kostornaia and Usacheva. Alëna has France left and should easily come 2nd, Daria has a little tougher competition at NHK.

The only non-Russian I can see as a threat is You at NHK, but she needs to beat Daria.

They could call it Russian Nationals Preview.
Which is fine to me. I only really care about Trusova. And I'm also lowkey rooting for Tuktamysheva, Liu and You.
But it will be interesting if there'll only be Russians in the final.

 

[Jontor]

What did she do? I just woke up.

Very true it is an honor being a fan of so many great figure skaters at one time especially where the ladies and the Russian ladies in particular.

Kamila broke her own three World records. Total score with 16 points:
Highest tech score - 106.15
Highest free score - 180.89
Highest total score - 265.08

 

[decafjava]

Congrats to all three Russian ladies and yes even those not on the podium that's all I will say.

 

[Scott512]

Kamila broke her own three World records. Total score with 16 points:
Highest tech score - 106.15
Highest free score - 180.89
Highest total score - 265.08

Thanks Jontor.

It is mind-boggling what she's doing so early in her senior career. My question for everybody is are we making too much and getting too distraught over who does not make the Russian Olympic team when no one is going to be TV unless she flops and Sasha hits like three or four quads?

Also it really bugs me that Russia could get all six grand prix spots and still only send 3 to the Olympics. Lol.

 

[Lechat]

Kami was stellar yesterday. She pulverized her own record, bravo . She’s in full difficulty mode now and Sasha is the only one who can challenge her with 5 quads. I’m curious, I wonder how Sasha would score if she did the same at test skate. Next GPF final and nationals will be a battle of quads queens.