2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

IMO they should have more or less the same pcs. Pcs are politcal and fashion. Liza had her fair share of underscoring and now for some reason she gets overscored. So be it. She is playing the game well, has the crowed behind her and is very stabel. Aljonas current programms and execution are just nothing special at all. And by the way, where are her transistions gone? cross overs are her new transitions.

Aliona still had way more transitions and more complex transitions than Liza. That’s not a comparison in favor of Liza, my friend. Liza had literally zero transitions, it’s just 2 foot skating, no edge work and even her excessive number of crossovers looked rather labored. She was probably the slowest among top 6 and had very little ice coverage.

She wasn’t really underscored in PCS, she just never improved in that aspect. Quite often in the past she was underscored in TES, where she undeservedly often had very low GOEs for good quality jumps. She wasn’t always scored accurately before and sometimes she was underscored. In this competition she was overscored massively, to the point where it completely lost any touch with reality.

 

[prorussian fan]

Right now my bet for the Olympic team is Kamila, Sasha and Anna. Liza has come a long way but I don't see her beating Sasha and Anna at nationals. I also don't see RusFed leaving her world champion and three-time national champion at home, Anna is a lock and the judges love her. Aliona is on a downward spiral, and these are the consequences of her decisions last season. At least now she is achieving podiums, but I don't see her improving, her programs look messy, in the past she could have skated to Vivaldi's music and created a masterpiece, now she just looks fearful, scared, without confidence.

 

[macy]

I haven't watched the event yet, but that 74 for Kamila is just WOWZA. And this is just her first senior grand prix, ever. The judges are READY to give her that OGM right now.

 

[pyri4]

The judges are READY to give her that OGM right now.

Can't really blame them. She's doing triple axels and quads and her competition is doing double axels and triples.

 

[halulupu]

Aliona still had way more transitions and more complex transitions than Liza. That’s not a comparison in favor of Liza, my friend. Liza had literally zero transitions, it’s just 2 foot skating, no edge work and even her excessive number of crossovers looked rather labored. She was probably the slowest among top 6 and had very little ice coverage.

She wasn’t really underscored in PCS, she just never improved in that aspect. Quite often in the past she was underscored in TES, where she undeservedly often had very low GOEs for good quality jumps. She wasn’t always scored accurately before and sometimes she was underscored. In this competition she was overscored massively, to the point where it completely lost any touch with reality.Y

Aliona still had way more transitions and more complex transitions than Liza. That’s not a comparison in favor of Liza, my friend. Liza had literally zero transitions, it’s just 2 foot skating, no edge work and even her excessive number of crossovers looked rather labored. She was probably the slowest among top 6 and had very little ice coverage.

She wasn’t really underscored in PCS, she just never improved in that aspect. Quite often in the past she was underscored in TES, where she undeservedly often had very low GOEs for good quality jumps. She wasn’t always scored accurately before and sometimes she was underscored. In this competition she was overscored massively, to the point where it completely lost any touch with reality.

Please read carefully, my friend. I didn't make a comparison between Lizas transitions and aljonas transitions. I actually agree that liza has less transitions than aljona and especially there she is heavily overscored. Still aljonas used to have way more in her heydays and now its a bit lackluster. And yes the scores are reflecting that too

 

[readernick]

Anna is a lock and the judges love her

I would never count out Anna because she always seems to will herself to perform beyond her natural talent, but if the technical calling remains strict for the rest of the season (It might not) that's not going to benefit her. Bigger benefit to Sasha and Liza who have very good jump technique and who the judges are currently scoring like they are amazing artists.

 

[esteticlove]

They could call it Russian Nationals Preview.

Or just a normal working day of Tutberidze team, with a special guest - Liza

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Happy Halloween from the ladies' podium:

 

[Thrashergurl]

I don’t think Liza’s scores are because the US and Japan are conspiring at all. Liza is the most consistent of the Russian ladies with the most stable jump technique. The other federations aren’t blind to this. They’re not going to prop her up hoping she’d be least likely to medal. The other girls are more unpredictable at this point. At worst Liza is bronze.
Look at how these Russians girls have come and gone, yet Liza is still in the game.
Liza is getting a Russian push to show the world that Russian can, in fact, produce at least one skater that can continue competing past the age of 19.
Also, let’s be honest here. She’s benefiting in her high scores from being the current Word silver medalist. I highly doubt it’s a USA/Japanese conspiracy.

 

[Lzbee]

Kamila is still beatable by a 3 quad Anna but t would be very tight. Only thing is if they start calling Anna's Lutz, she's going to be in some trouble because that's a lot of points lost on the quad in GOE.

 

[Ziotic]

Kamila is still beatable by a 3 quad Anna but t would be very tight. Only thing is if they start calling Anna's Lutz, she's going to be in some trouble because that's a lot of points lost on the quad in GOE.

I highly doubt it if both are clean. The 3A in the short is too great to overcome. Plus Kamilas PCS will continue to rise once she wins GPF and Europeans

 

[MCsAngel2]

I hope you didn’t lose too much money!

Bless your heart!

 

[Thrashergurl]

Kamila is still beatable by a 3 quad Anna but t would be very tight. Only thing is if they start calling Anna's Lutz, she's going to be in some trouble because that's a lot of points lost on the quad in GOE.

Kamila will be the Olympic Champion barring serious injury or a meltdown. The other girls train with her and must realize this by now also. They’re fighting for silver and bronze.

 

[Jontor]

About PCS:

I still think the judges don't think of scores in what they are worth, they simply just compare the skaters as they are going. Just like they did during the 6.0 system. So all PCS in reality are just relative to what others have done before.

Let's see how the PCS scores worked out in chronological order at the free skate at SC:

1. 62.91 - Kawabe. She had a great clean-ish skate with a 3A. The tech panel was a bit hard on her so her tech suffered a bit. The judges didn't want to go too high here in case everyone else would skate better. So this PCS score was the benchmark for skaters to come.

2-4. 59.71 - The Canadians. They were all much weaker skaters than Kawabe. Schizas, who was clean, was the best one of them. Still the judges gave her PCS 3 points lower than Kawabe, and rightly so.

5. 63.77 - Lee. A very strong skate and she was clean-ish. This was better than Kawabe. I think the judges might have had her higher at first but the tech panel slashed her so they probably lowered the PCS a bit.

6. 65.29 - Mihara. Fantastic skate by Mai-san. Clearly the best so far so she got scored higher than Lee. But the judges might still have been a little bit careful as there was a whole other group to come.

7. 66.40 - Chen. I will never understand Chen's PCS scores. Her style is just cheesy to me American-style. But she is always high and the judges seem to think she is a good benchmark for the skaters to come, even though she had a very rough skate.

8. 67.71 - Higuchi. Great skate by Wakaba-san so the judges simply had to put her higher than Chen. Remember that didn't happen in the short.

9. 67.39 - Liu. Great skate by Alysa. Her fall on the 3A hurt her though. Without that she would probably scored higher than Wakaba. Here the judges decided to put her between Higuchi and Chen.

10. 67.89 - Kostornaia. Well, this was...not good. Considering it's Alëna. For me this was a snooze fest. Usually Alëna looks super elegant and she always has great posture. But here she looked tired and uninspired. That Step Seq went on forever and it was bad imo. The judges agreed with me. They still put her highest on PCS, but just with a tiny nail over Higuchi.

11. 71.31 - Tuktamysheva. Fantastic skate by Liza. Her transitions and skating skills might be weaker than the rest of the field, and her program is not everybody's cup of tea. But say what you will, this program suits her like a glove. And she performs the heck out of it, the audience response is proof of that. The judges clearly thought she was the best so far (and she was!) And compared to uninspired Kostornaia this was inspirational. Well deserved highest PCS imo.

12. 74.74 - Valieva. Well that was something else. The judges might have thought they hit the roof with Tukt, but here comes Kamila and she was just divine. So the judges had no other choice than to hit the ceiling (almost) with the PCS.

This is how I think the thought process goes for the judges. They set a score for the first skater, and work by comparison as it goes. Remember at Skate America when Sinitsyna skated first in the short. A lot of people (me included) thought she was lowballed on PCS. The problem was she started the event. Mihara had the same problem here. Had she not been one of the first skaters in the short and instead skated in the second group, she probably would have beaten Kostornaia overall I think...

This also explains why the PCS always seem to follow the Tech score. Judges simply take the tech and fine tune the placement with the PCS. That explains Liza's high PCS now, she has been technically very strong lately. And it also explains Nathan and Sasha who both also seem to get high PCS when they are clean-ish. I know some people say that Nathan is artistic, to me he is exactly the same as Sasha, setting up the next quad instead of performing.

 

[brigit66]

Kamila will be the Olympic Champion barring serious injury or a meltdown. The other girls train with her and must realize this by now also. They’re fighting for silver and bronze.

yes, because she was chosen. Thats how it works. Her skating is still juniorish

 

[Fluture]

Well, I‘m glad Kosto got a medal and didn‘t lose to Liu. I was worried about that, so at least this didn’t happen! But her chances of making the GPF are still slim and for the Olympic team almost nonexistent. Judges have dropped her and this is what matters most this season. I don‘t think there‘s enough time to build up her reputation even if she improves drastically. She also still has stamina problems and I doubt it has anything to do with a lack of work ethic. The difference from the SP to the FS was astounding and she just gets slower as the program goes on, you can see it in her steps and spins and the UR that start to creep in. I think people like to forget that she had COVID last season and we don't really know if she suffered any long-term consequences. There are lots of examples of this happening even to people with mild original cases. Either way, it’s not good. Frankly, I‘m too tired and, as a fan, honestly discouraged to write more than that.

Tuktamysheva… I will simply refrain from commenting in detail because if I do, it will make me look like a hater. Let‘s just say that seeing those skating skills/composition/transition marks after watching her program made me want to turn off my phone right then and there. Sorry. Congratulations on a clean skate, though.

Valieva… I don‘t know what would have to happen for her not to be the Olympic Champion. Her programs and skating, frankly, do absolutely nothing for me and I find both Usacheva and Khromykh more exciting to watch than her, despite the insane difficulty in jumps. But with her technical content, it‘s just obvious that the judges will go for her. And although her scores are ridiculously overinflated, if you give Tuk 71 PCS, then 74 for Valieva actually look modest.

Still hoping that the rumours about Sasha‘s fracture are somehow wrong and she lands her 5 quad skate at the Olympics just to create some competition for the OGM.

Overall, Skate Canada was, as usually, a rather frustrating experience. I wonder if this is ever going to change.

 

[icybear]

Like I said before, no program is going to save Alena if she doesnt perform it. The opening hand movement she did in the show is timed to the music. Here, she just ploughs through them like she just wants to rush through the movement as quick as possible. You can just smell the uncertainty and lack of commitment from her. And what are those toilet scrubbing black gloves for.
Elizaveta - she had the best performance in terms of playing to the crowd. But otherwise I dont see reasons for her other pcs component. SS same as Alena? Best transistions behind Kamila? Seriously.
Kamila - good on Kamila on an almost clean skate. But ugh, I cant contemplate that this will highly likely be the olympic winning program. There is just nothing left to chew on from this Bolero program. Its sad knowing Kamila is possibly the most talented Eteri skater but the program isnt helping her

 

[jenaj]

Right now my bet for the Olympic team is Kamila, Sasha and Anna. Liza has come a long way but I don't see her beating Sasha and Anna at nationals. I also don't see RusFed leaving her world champion and three-time national champion at home, Anna is a lock and the judges love her. Aliona is on a downward spiral, and these are the consequences of her decisions last season. At least now she is achieving podiums, but I don't see her improving, her programs look messy, in the past she could have skated to Vivaldi's music and created a masterpiece, now she just looks fearful, scared, without confidence.

They left Liza at home from Worlds the year after she was World Champion. Anna will have to deliver to be on the team.

 

[Lechat]

I don’t want to predict. Maybe it will be a surprising winner like Liza or Maia. So many factors like injuries, inconsistency, sickness could prevent the best skaters for an olympic spot or victory.

 

[Tokyo Drift]

yes, because she was chosen. Thats how it works. Her skating is still juniorish