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I was invested in Roman.... Gave up... too painful :) but when he is one... he is magnificent. He is really tall and has a commanding presence on the ice... His jumps are big and his spins are beautifully done.

If he skated to his full potential, he could be just as successful as Keegan was... Same type of content btw...

I am not worried about the men considering the juniors coming soon....
 
There was quite a few juniors who didn't transition to seniors successfully lately. Gogolev was taken out by injuries, same story seems to be playing out with Chiu. Nobody else looks like they have the package of technical, components and stability. I understand that SkCan is enamoured with Paradis, but I haven't yet seen male skaters with stronger PCS, no jumping spring to develop stronger jumping in later teens. Watching Mozalev and Kutovoy fight for jumps was downright painful. I don't think they should destroy a guy's components for the sake of 4Lz/4F the way they do in Russia atm, but Paradis has worse jumping ability than either Mozalev or Kutovoy. The other way around happens, with PCS improving after tech stabilizes for good jumpers. But if they can't jump, they can't jump and a fed can only do so much to maximize PCS.
 
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lariko said:
There was quite a few juniors who didn't transition to seniors successfully lately. Gogolev was taken out by injuries, same story seems to be playing out with Chiu. Nobody else looks like they have the package of technical, components and stability. I understand that SkCan is enamoured with Paradis, but I haven't yet seen male skaters with stronger PCS, no jumping spring to develop stronger jumping. Watching Mozalev and Kutovoy was downright painful. I don't think they should destroy a guy's components for the sake of 4Lz/4F the way they do in Russia atm, but Paradis has worse jumping ability than either Mozalev or Kutovoy. The other way around happens, with PCS improving after tech stabilizes for good jumpers. But if they can't jump, they can't jump.
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I agree with you that the transition is difficult. Not only gogo but nam, nadeau, phan, rogozine etc... I mean some of these have medals from Junior worlds and didn't do well at all in seniors, ..... I miss Joseph Phan the most from this group... he had it all until his knees gave up on him.

Paradis is cherished because he is special. Will he get the nod for big senior events ? Not without a triple axel. He is apparently getting closer, so let's give him time. He is back from injury and it took all this time for him to get back his 3lz-3t and other jumps, like he did at Nationals.
Edward is also finally back from injury. He also has a cool style. Right now, the rotation is there, the landings are not good. He is already working on quads. He is a good jumper and technician, let's hope he remains healthy.

John Kim : took a year off at one point to focus on his studies but already has two quads and triple axel which he landed at nationals. His nerves knocked him out from podium contention but he is potentially a full package skater. Very very nice to watch on the ice.
David Bondar could follow the trajectory you are mentioning, Strong technique first, PCS second. Right now, he is still developing both but he is very promising.
There are a few more who are working to develop further (3a and quads) Rio, Grayson, all the Davids etc.. We will see how they fare but I am confident.

You know, Canada has never had an issue producing good jumpers. As a matter of fact, Canada was, in the distant past, a groundbreaker (first triple lutz, first triple axel, first quad, first quad combo)... etc Lately, it's a different story, I will give you that, but if our skaters were known before for their great jumping abilities, I don't know why they wouldn't get back there.
 
4everchan said:
I agree with you that the transition is difficult. Not only gogo but nam, nadeau, phan, rogozine etc... I mean some of these have medals from Junior worlds and didn't do well at all in seniors, ..... I miss Joseph Phan the most from this group... he had it all until his knees gave up on him.

Paradis is cherished because he is special. Will he get the nod for big senior events ? Not without a triple axel. He is apparently getting closer, so let's give him time. He is back from injury and it took all this time for him to get back his 3lz-3t and other jumps, like he did at Nationals.
Edward is also finally back from injury. He also has a cool style. Right now, the rotation is there, the landings are not good. He is already working on quads. He is a good jumper and technician, let's hope he remains healthy.

John Kim : took a year off at one point to focus on his studies but already has two quads and triple axel which he landed at nationals. His nerves knocked him out from podium contention but he is potentially a full package skater. Very very nice to watch on the ice.
David Bondar could follow the trajectory you are mentioning, Strong technique first, PCS second. Right now, he is still developing both but he is very promising.
There are a few more who are working to develop further (3a and quads) Rio, Grayson, all the Davids etc.. We will see how they fare but I am confident.

You know, Canada has never had an issue producing good jumpers. As a matter of fact, Canada was, in the distant past, a groundbreaker (first triple lutz, first triple axel, first quad, first quad combo)... etc Lately, it's a different story, I will give you that, but if our skaters were known before for their great jumping abilities, I don't know why they wouldn't get back there.
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I think it’s because there were more professional opportunities to make money back then They need incentive. It’s only a few that can make a career doing shows?
 
RatedPG said:
I’m so proud of team Canada 🇨🇦
Four medals:

One 🥇
One 🥈
Two 🥉 🥉

We won more medals than any other country 😝 at this event.

Canada seems to work better in partnership with the other gender 🤗

Dance - We are the best country in dance fighting with USA. We have the leading camp in our backyard

Pairs - I think Canada has the best three teams total than any other country. I was really shocked with how well Lia and Trentt did here. Also, Max and Deanna had their best feee skate of the season. Also, it is so nice to see Bruno and Meghan lead the charge with their coaching. The podium felt like a podium sweep since the Japanese team are coached by Canadians.

Then, the opposite 😞

Men - We have no choice but to send Roman. He did the best at 4CC and he is the Canadian champion. Fingers crossed he lands the 4S, 3Lz 3T and 3A at Worlds. I think he can afford only one mistake with these jumping elements to make it to the free skate. This is the goal here. There is zero chance of a top ten finish. If he defends his 19th place finish from last season, I will be happy. This is the category I worry about the most moving forward. We have a junior, David, with good TES potential (3A and possibly a quad in the future) and Anthony, with good PCS (no 3A and I’m not sure he has quad potential in him). Wish we could merge these two talents with one another. However, I will enjoy watching them develop moving forward.

Women - I’m seeing improvements in our depth of ladies. I think 190+ may be needed for top ten due to how well the JPN, KOR, USA skaters are skating. Maddie is our only 190+ potential lady and our Canadian champion. She is 50/50 capable of surpassing this score. Sara Maude surprised me with her SP at 4CC. She loves skating at 4CC. I hope she skates her free skate well enough to be as close to 180 as possible. Would secretly love it, if she beats Maddie as I prefer her skating. Katherine, this was her worst SP. But, with no pressure now, I hope she skates lights out in the free. She just needs to enjoy this experience. I never thought I’d see Maddie followed by two potential 180+ plus skaters this season.
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Actually the US won the same amount of medals here at 4CC. As for the best Ice Dancing country in the world the US has been that for the better part of the last 15 years especially when it comes to depth. Canada will be hard pressed to keep 3 spots when P/P retire since their isn't great depth behind L/L while the US has numerous teams that can finish in the top 10 not counting the younger teams who have great potential.
 
The international assignments page updated for the Senior Synchro Worlds assignments:

Les Supremes
Nova

Not surprised about Nova being named, they won Lumiere Cup this weekend over NEXXICE.
 
lariko said:
I am not really invested in Sadovskiy, but I can't see anyone else in the men's field to invest in, it's seriously devoid of talent. In women, there is a high-scoring junior woman and a rumoured Korean transfer, but 4 years is a long time, and senior women field can use more infusions. At the moment, singles disciplines are reflecting the performances with one spot in the second half of the season, and it makes sense that they send a national champion.
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When does Minsol Kwon become senior eligible? (I know that the last statement was that she was still representing South Korea, but she hasn't competed at all there this season and I would not be surprised to see a transfer because she is unlikely to get ahead of the twins in Korea because the Korean fed absolutely love them).
 
Skate Ontario has a feature on Kara Yun before her Junior Worlds debut:
skateontario.org

16-year-old Kara Yun is Looking Inward Going into First Jr Worlds Appearance - Skate Ontario

By Dylan Nazareth Fresh off her senior nationals debut, Ontario skater Kara Yun is preparing herself for a first appearance at Jr. Worlds later this month. The 16-year-old earned her first senior medal with a bronze at Skate Canada Challenge in December, adding a sixth place finish at nationals...
skateontario.org skateontario.org
 
Jammers said:
Actually the US won the same amount of medals here at 4CC. As for the best Ice Dancing country in the world the US has been that for the better part of the last 15 years especially when it comes to depth. Canada will be hard pressed to keep 3 spots when P/P retire since their isn't great depth behind L/L while the US has numerous teams that can finish in the top 10 not counting the younger teams who have great potential.
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And where do most of those US teams train? Perhaps we need to impose a “T——f”?
 
4everchan said:
No gold medal for the USA.. so they are lower in the ranking.
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@RatedPG said "Canada won more medals than any other country" at 4CCs, not that 'Canada won a higher ranked medal with the gold in ice dance.' In any case, the top U.S. singles skaters were not at 4CCs, and the U.S. still managed to win bronze in mens; and silver & bronze in ladies. In addition to those wins and to the silver in ice dance, U.S. skaters placed 4th in ladies, 4th and 5th in pairs, and 4th and 5th in ice dance. It is not unusual for Canadian and U.S. figure skaters to dominate at 4CCs, albeit that Japan and South Korea often dominate too at 4CCs in singles (and recently Japan competes well in pairs with Miura/ Kihara).

I'm happy for Piper/ Paul because I wanted them to win in Montreal last year. Who knows what might happen in Boston? I like Chock/ Bates and I love Piper/ Paul. Both teams are consummate professionals and top-notch veterans. Both teams skated their best at 4CCs. And the judging panel made their decision, which could have gone either way. In Boston this year and in Milan next year, if all the top ice dance teams skate their best, it is down to the make-up of the judging panel and to the political factors that will determine scoring and placements. I will be overjoyed for Piper/Paul if they can get really great programs for 2025-26 and pull off a huge golden upset in Milan. While P&P have fun programs this season, both they and C/B need to step it up with their material for the Olympic season.

I was pulling for Roman and Maddie to compete better at 4CCs to further stoke their confidence. Lia & Trennt skated the best I've ever seen them skate in the 4CCs sp. I think a fire has been lit underneath them. Once Deanna/Max retire, Lia/ Trennt will likely be in a dead heat with Fiona/ Ben for top Canadian pairs team.
 
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Basically, the Canadian senior singles A Team is placing worse than the US senior singles B (or honestly, C+, especially for the men's) team at 4CC.

But ice dance won gold and bronze and pairs won silver and bronze so that's great too.
 
4everchan said:
Re the dance discussion, time will tell. The USA will almost have more depth in every discipline. That's a given.
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The U.S. may have a lot of depth in every discipline. But prior to Nathan Chen and Ilia Malinin, the U.S. did not dominate at the top in mens singles for a long while. Consistent podium-level talent and strength goes in cycles. The U.S. has had a lot of strong pairs teams and a significant legacy in pairs, but lag in pairs gold medal wins at majors. Amazingly, U.S. ladies still hold the record for the most medals won at Worlds and Olympics despite some two decades of a downturn in their results at majors, due to Japanese, Russian, and South Korean ladies' dominance.

The U.S. and Canada are equally strong in ice dance. While the U.S. has huge, consistent ice dance depth, it remains to be seen if Car/Pon, Gr/Par, and Zing/Kol will be able to consistently make major podiums, especially top of podium in coming years. LaLa will surely lead the pack with huge podium-strength competition from British, French and Finnish teams (possibly Czech teams), as well as from Smart/ Dieck, if they continue to compete after the Olympics.
 
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