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I thought the costumes were fun and fit their California beach style/Barbie & Ken concept very well.

I didn't realize the first time that I watched it that the theme was "Barbie" rather than simple "California surf songs". All the costumes (which I also think are fun) make perfect sense now.

Although I still think skating to "Wipeout" is tempting the skating gods. ;)
 
I didn't realize the first time that I watched it that the theme was "Barbie" rather than simple "California surf songs". All the costumes (which I also think are fun) make perfect sense now.

Although I still think skating to "Wipeout" is tempting the skating gods. ;)
I feel the same about wipeout
 
I thought the costumes were fun and fit their California beach style/Barbie & Ken concept very well.
Well, Paul's definitely fits as well as the typical Ken doll clothes made by a young needlework-challenged child...
 
I didn't think Piper and Paul's costumes could get worse.

I was wrong.

Someone tell me if they were any good, because I REFUSE to pain my eyeballs by watching more than 2 seconds of the individually-godawful-and-clashing-with-each-other sartorial mess.
The costumes were great. The skating even better. If I refused to watch all the skaters with bad music or bad costumes, I'd be watching tennis at wimbledon.
 
The costumes were great. The skating even better. If I refused to watch all the skaters with bad music or bad costumes, I'd be watching tennis at wimbledon.
I can't decide which costumes I liked better, the ones here or the ones from Skate Canada. I loved both. I understand they still have two or three more sets they haven't shown us yet, and I'm looking forward to seeing them. I think they hit it out of the park this season with the costumes and the theme. And of course the skating is divine.
 
There you go. I didn't know this. So people should just stop saying he would be better off with someone else... he chose her, he loves her and wants to skate with her.
Vadym said when he tried out with Emilea he felt it was the first time he felt he could express himself completely on the ice.

Less than 3 years ago Emi had never performed a dance pattern or skated with a partner., Now she’s partnered with the outstanding male dancer of his generation. There was no easing into ice dance for Emi. Big Things were expected from the start because she was skating with Vadym. Considering the pressure on her to fix her levels and the stress of the war on him I give them
Emilea is a very good skater and holds her own with Vadym. She is no way an imposter, she found her way to this level and partnership on her own merit and should hold her head high. About mistakes today, everyone has days they want to forget. From what I have seen mistakes are not common with this team. Have a good nights sleep and get up and show us your lovely free dance.
Emilea is a star - I think she’s done amazingly well. It’s easy to forget that this time three years ago she had never danced a step on ice or skated with a partner. And she has made the transition from singles to ice dance while in the spotlight, the more so because of Vadym. The twizzles and levels can be issues, but as a team ZK have a ton of talent and charisma. If anything, they try too hard. They need to be more consistent to get where they want to go. Wish it would happen sooner rather than later but I believe it will happen. In any case, I’ll be forever grateful to Igor for finding Emi for Vadym.
 
Itvis sweet how supportive dancers are to each other. I am sitting just left to skaters entry, a couple of rows above. I love my seat! I did not know it in andvantage. Many of the teams give applauses to skaters before them. Natalie cheered Juulia and Matthias loudly before the team left the arena.
 
Piper and Paul’s lift GOE was WAY underscored.
Not sure if it changed from the tech box, but under 2 is not right IMO,
 
Vadym said when he tried out with Emilea he felt it was the first time he felt he could express himself completely on the ice.

Less than 3 years ago Emi had never performed a dance pattern or skated with a partner., Now she’s partnered with the outstanding male dancer of his generation. There was no easing into ice dance for Emi. Big Things were expected from the start because she was skating with Vadym. Considering the pressure on her to fix her levels and the stress of the war on him I give them

Emilea is a star - I think she’s done amazingly well. It’s easy to forget that this time three years ago she had never danced a step on ice or skated with a partner. And she has made the transition from singles to ice dance while in the spotlight, the more so because of Vadym. The twizzles and levels can be issues, but as a team ZK have a ton of talent and charisma. If anything, they try too hard. They need to be more consistent to get where they want to go. Wish it would happen sooner rather than later but I believe it will happen. In any case, I’ll be forever grateful to Igor for finding Emi for Vadym.
wow - I didn't know this about Emilea - she has done phenomenally well - that's unbelievable progress.
 
So I'm 99.9% sure that I'm going to regret that I didn't stick with my notes app, but here are my two (basically worthless) cents re: Zingas/Kolesnik.

First things first, I don't think and has not said that Vadym should find a new partner. I didn't know they were a couple off-ice but that doesn't necessarily factor in my viewpoint, I'm focusing on what they show on the ice more here. And I am happy for him that he loves and enjoys skating with her, my feelings are not of importance while his happiness and enjoyment while skating is. Also, I feel for her that she, as a newcomer to ice dance, was thrust into the spotlight with high expectations. It would've been much better if she hadn't had to go through that.

With all that said... It does not change the fact that a)at this point in time she is less experienced and thus less skilled in ice dance than him and b)to my eyes they do not have that strong a chemistry on-ice. I applaud her effort and coming up to this level through that effort, but because she is new while Vadym is phenomenally talented there is a gap between them in technical prowess. It can change of course, look at Viktoria Sinitsina and her glow-up, but *at this point in time* she is yet to go through that glow-up. Improvement is to be applauded, but improvement does not necessarily mean greatness is achieved. I'm not just saying this because she messed up her twizzles, I say this because ever since they debuted on the ice as a team in competition I've always been transfixed on him and him alone. This is of course mostly due to him being phenomenal and me knowing him better since I've watched him since his junior years, and she has her share of charisma, but when two skaters are on the ice yet only one is discussed for the most part it does not make their identity as a team strong, methinks.

Which brings me to point b, while they are not like two strangers on the ice (which would be impossible when they are in a relationship) I do not feel magic between them. This magic has literally nothing to do with romantic feelings/vibes, Virtue/Moir were not a couple yet nobody denies how they had magic. Piper and Paul are not a couple and they bring magic each time they take the ice. So many examples of this, and of course the other way around. I only see what the two skaters bring to the ice, and while the skaters' opinions and feelings should be prioritized that does not mean I will (or can) change my thoughts and feelings. And this is heightened because I've witnessed the magic Vadym can make, which brings me to Nguyen/Kolesnik.

Let me be honest, I loved Nguyen/Kolesnik and was heartbroken when they split. It wasn't because Avonley was the one true partner to Vadym or anything like that, my sentiments aside Avonley did have weaker edges, but because they had that magic. Avonley was a budding diva on the ice and when her aura met with Vadym's it created magic. I literally still think of N/K's Demons FD whenever I hear Demons playing, that program left a mark in me and I'm still amazed that it came out from Mr. Shpilband and team. And because that magic is ingrained in me now I cannot help but notice that Vadym does not show that magic with Emliea Zingas. Maybe they will in the future, who knows, but again, *at this point in time* they don't. At least not to my eyes.

Speaking of Mr. Shpilband and team, the fact that said team has not produced anything like Demons within the last four seasons including this one definitely does not help with how Z/K look and feel. If the program is well-constructed it can make up for the lacking magic, not the greatest example but Z/K's FD this season (not by Shpilband and team but Benoit) makes me think less about the things I've spouted in the above paragraphs than their Beauty and the Beast (by Shpilband and team, IIRC). I have basically no faith in Mr. Shpilband and team regarding good, immersive programs and since Novi is not WISA I'm not expecting a massive jump-up in tech either, and thus while not denying its possibility I'm not foreseeing myself changing my current opinions and sentiments in the near future. Vadym is never going to leave Mr. Shpilband, I've accepted that now, and that drastically diminishes the chance of me wanting to redact all that I've written above.

So in short, I'm not saying Z/K are bad nor that they should split. I'm saying that they are not as complete a package as they can be as a team, in both technique and chemistry. I'm not faulting her for this, she has done and is doing her absolute best, but it is what it is. At least *at this point in time*. I'll be happy to double down and apologize after she does a Sinitsina and they (somehow) get terrific programs that make up for the lack of magic (or hell, they somehow produce that magic between them on the ice), but for now I won't be fawning over them.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk (is this meme still used btw), if this wall of text irks you I'd be happy to be ignored via the Ignore button.
 
... ever since [Emilea and Vadym] debuted on the ice as a team in competition I've always been transfixed on him and him alone. ... when two skaters are on the ice yet only one is discussed for the most part it does not make their identity as a team strong, methinks.

... I do not feel magic between them. ... And this is heightened because I've witnessed the magic Vadym can make, which brings me to Nguyen/Kolesnik.

Let me be honest, I loved Nguyen/Kolesnik and was heartbroken when they split. ... they had that magic. ... And because that magic is ingrained in me now I cannot help but notice that Vadym does not show that magic with Emliea Zingas. Maybe they will in the future, who knows, but again, *at this point in time* they don't. At least not to my eyes. ...

For me, Emilea and Vadym absolutely have been creating their own magic together.

Avonley and Vadym's partnership was very special to me, I felt a big blow when it ended, and I never will forget their magic together, including their Demons program. I expected that I would need a lot of time to adjust to new partnerships for either of them.
But ... as soon as Emilea and Vadym started competing together, their new partnership felt "right" to me -- for which I give credit to both of them. Although I still think the world of Avonley and I miss her presence in ice dance, I do not find myself wishing that Vadym still were skating with Avonley.
Vadym is so brilliant that sometimes I would momentarily "forget" to watch Avonley equally, as much as I love her.
Sometimes I now momentarily "forget" to watch Vadym equally to Emilea, because my eyes are so drawn to Emilea's performance. She has my full support as partner for the more experienced Vadym. I appreciate Emi's talent, passion, work ethic, and commitment to growth. 🫶
 
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For me, Emilea and Vadym absolutely have been creating their own magic together.

Avonley and Vadym's partnership was very special to me, I felt a big blow when it ended, and I never will forget their magic together, including their Demons program. I expected that I would need a lot of time to adjust to new partnerships for either of them.
But ... as soon as Emilea and Vadym started competing together, their new partnership felt "right" to me -- for which I give credit to both of them. Although I still think the world of Avonley and I miss her presence in ice dance, I do not find myself wishing that Vadym still were skating with Avonley.
Vadym is so brilliant that sometimes I would momentarily "forget" to watch Avonley equally, as much as I love her.
Sometimes I now momentarily "forget" to watch Vadym equally to Emilea, because my eyes are so drawn to Emilea's performance. She has my full support as partner for the more experienced Vadym. I appreciate Emi's talent, passion, work ethic, and commitment to growth. 🫶
I don't necessarily want N/K back, and I'm not saying that people who enjoy Z/K as they are now are "wrong". All the power to those who can love what I can't. What I was trying to convey with that wall of text was a)accepting Z/K as they are and b)finding them to lack a bit of magic can happen simultaneously. De gustibus and everything.

I know it's only natural for people to want others to love their beloveds as well, I am also guilty of it, but if said others don't then that is to be accepted. Don't try to convince someone who loves A that A is actually terrible, and don't try to convince someone who doesn't love A that A is actually supposed to be fantastic - that's what I believe in. I wrote that thing above because I didn't like how people who weren't in love with Emilea Zingas' current level of ice dancing skills and/or how the partnership of Z/K are looking at this point in time were suddenly mean, ignorant people. Not being in love with somebody's skating does not and should not make you a terrible person.
 
... I know it's only natural for people to want others to love their beloveds as well, I am also guilty of it, but if said others don't then that is to be accepted. ... I wrote that thing above because I didn't like how people who weren't in love with Emilea Zingas' current level of ice dancing skills and/or how the partnership of Z/K are looking at this point in time were suddenly mean, ignorant people. Not being in love with somebody's skating does not and should not make you a terrible person.

I was careful to be clear that I was expressing my own opinion.
I never said that you are not entitled to a different opinion. And I never said that you are a mean or ignorant or terrible person.

... Don't try to convince someone who loves A that A is actually terrible, and don't try to convince someone who doesn't love A that A is actually supposed to be fantastic - that's what I believe in. ...

I wish that you would practice what you are preaching. :rolleye:
Your previous post is extraordinarily long, and it is hardly the first time that you have written negative comments about Z/K.

So I'm 99.9% sure that I'm going to regret that I didn't stick with my notes app, but here are my two (basically worthless) cents re: Zingas/Kolesnik.

First things first, I don't think and has not said that Vadym should find a new partner. I didn't know they were a couple off-ice but that doesn't necessarily factor in my viewpoint, I'm focusing on what they show on the ice more here. And I am happy for him that he loves and enjoys skating with her, my feelings are not of importance while his happiness and enjoyment while skating is. Also, I feel for her that she, as a newcomer to ice dance, was thrust into the spotlight with high expectations. It would've been much better if she hadn't had to go through that.

With all that said... It does not change the fact that a)at this point in time she is less experienced and thus less skilled in ice dance than him and b)to my eyes they do not have that strong a chemistry on-ice. I applaud her effort and coming up to this level through that effort, but because she is new while Vadym is phenomenally talented there is a gap between them in technical prowess. It can change of course, look at Viktoria Sinitsina and her glow-up, but *at this point in time* she is yet to go through that glow-up. Improvement is to be applauded, but improvement does not necessarily mean greatness is achieved. I'm not just saying this because she messed up her twizzles, I say this because ever since they debuted on the ice as a team in competition I've always been transfixed on him and him alone. This is of course mostly due to him being phenomenal and me knowing him better since I've watched him since his junior years, and she has her share of charisma, but when two skaters are on the ice yet only one is discussed for the most part it does not make their identity as a team strong, methinks.

Which brings me to point b, while they are not like two strangers on the ice (which would be impossible when they are in a relationship) I do not feel magic between them. This magic has literally nothing to do with romantic feelings/vibes, Virtue/Moir were not a couple yet nobody denies how they had magic. Piper and Paul are not a couple and they bring magic each time they take the ice. So many examples of this, and of course the other way around. I only see what the two skaters bring to the ice, and while the skaters' opinions and feelings should be prioritized that does not mean I will (or can) change my thoughts and feelings. And this is heightened because I've witnessed the magic Vadym can make, which brings me to Nguyen/Kolesnik.

Let me be honest, I loved Nguyen/Kolesnik and was heartbroken when they split. It wasn't because Avonley was the one true partner to Vadym or anything like that, my sentiments aside Avonley did have weaker edges, but because they had that magic. Avonley was a budding diva on the ice and when her aura met with Vadym's it created magic. I literally still think of N/K's Demons FD whenever I hear Demons playing, that program left a mark in me and I'm still amazed that it came out from Mr. Shpilband and team. And because that magic is ingrained in me now I cannot help but notice that Vadym does not show that magic with Emliea Zingas. Maybe they will in the future, who knows, but again, *at this point in time* they don't. At least not to my eyes.

Speaking of Mr. Shpilband and team, the fact that said team has not produced anything like Demons within the last four seasons including this one definitely does not help with how Z/K look and feel. If the program is well-constructed it can make up for the lacking magic, not the greatest example but Z/K's FD this season (not by Shpilband and team but Benoit) makes me think less about the things I've spouted in the above paragraphs than their Beauty and the Beast (by Shpilband and team, IIRC). I have basically no faith in Mr. Shpilband and team regarding good, immersive programs and since Novi is not WISA I'm not expecting a massive jump-up in tech either, and thus while not denying its possibility I'm not foreseeing myself changing my current opinions and sentiments in the near future. Vadym is never going to leave Mr. Shpilband, I've accepted that now, and that drastically diminishes the chance of me wanting to redact all that I've written above.

So in short, I'm not saying Z/K are bad nor that they should split. I'm saying that they are not as complete a package as they can be as a team, in both technique and chemistry. I'm not faulting her for this, she has done and is doing her absolute best, but it is what it is. At least *at this point in time*. I'll be happy to double down and apologize after she does a Sinitsina and they (somehow) get terrific programs that make up for the lack of magic (or hell, they somehow produce that magic between them on the ice), but for now I won't be fawning over them.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk (is this meme still used btw), if this wall of text irks you I'd be happy to be ignored via the Ignore button.
 
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I was careful to be clear that I was expressing my own opinion.
I never said that you are not entitled to a different opinion. And I never said that you are a mean or ignorant or terrible person.


I wish that you would practice what you are preaching. :rolleye:
Your previous post is extraordinarily long, and it is hardly the first time that you have written negative comments about Z/K.
Okay this is derailing the thread so I'll keep it short: I didn't mean that you called me mean/ignorant/terrible, nobody on this thread did, but the vibes overall felt disapproving of negative opinions and that's what I was irked about. I have no idea why writing a long post or maintaining my opinion makes me not respecting of those who love them when I said out in front that I don't find them "wrong", but if you found my words disagreeable then I apologize, please click the Ignore button after my username
 
Agreed, but while I worship Juulia and have absolute respect for Taschlerovi's speed and power T/V do struggle with levels sometimes and Taschlerovi can be messy as well as smooth and powerful. But then again, they are dinged much more harshly for those points than some other teams so they are definitely not getting their dues

But I definitely expected a slightly higher score for Taschler siblings, they seemed also.
 
At practice PP had different lifequard costumes than in Canada. I tried to take a video and was going to give you a screen shot but it did not manage. My cell phone has often problems with taking video.
Just found this post, and I think it's what you're referencing:

 
Just found this post, and I think it's what you're referencing:

Yes, these are those. And there was drawn baywatch floating devices on the back of those.
 
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