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2025 Fantasy on Ice

ISU has allowed Russian skaters to return, and JSF will follow ISU’s rulings. Japanese fans will have to get used to seeing more promotions for Russian skaters—if they truly haven’t seen them before—since there was yet another one by NTV today.

Personally I don’t understand why Makabe invited Alina and Anna, but I wouldn’t speculate much since Yuzu’s not there anyway.
 
Personally I don’t understand why Makabe invited Alina and Anna, but I wouldn’t speculate much since Yuzu’s not there anyway.
I have 2 questions really:

(1) Why this show in particular, who had invited Ukrainian skaters as ensembles for the last 3 years, invited Russian skaters. Surely they know the optics- and they can't really claim they're not aware of it, since they did deliberately invite and include Ukrainian skaters before. No other Japanese show has flip flopped like this.

(2) Why announce it after the lottery sales has started and the loyal fans have bought the tickets. But this has been an ongoing issue for all Japanese ice shows, which doesn't exclude this show, even though I understand it's on the highest tier of ice shows in Japan.
 
I have 2 questions really:

(1) Why this show in particular, who had invited Ukrainian skaters as ensembles for the last 3 years, invited Russian skaters. Surely they know the optics- and they can't really claim they're not aware of it, since they did deliberately invite and include Ukrainian skaters before. No other Japanese show has flip flopped like this.

(2) Why announce it after the lottery sales has started and the loyal fans have bought the tickets. But this has been an ongoing issue for all Japanese ice shows, which doesn't exclude this show, even though I understand it's on the highest tier of ice shows in Japan.
(1) We don't and won't know unless someone asks the producer directly, which is unlikely.

(2) Ticket sales are down from previous years.
 
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Well, why do certain shows invite or not invite certain skaters anyway?
Unless we have any FAOI production insiders here - which I seriously doubt - I do not think any of these questions may be answered to any further detail by anything which is not
1. wild and ungrounded speculation
2. without bringing up and discussing politics which is not allowed in GS anyway, and certainly not in this thread.
Therefore I suggest we move on...
 
I have 2 questions really:

(1) Why this show in particular, who had invited Ukrainian skaters as ensembles for the last 3 years, invited Russian skaters. Surely they know the optics- and they can't really claim they're not aware of it, since they did deliberately invite and include Ukrainian skaters before. No other Japanese show has flip flopped like this.

(2) Why announce it after the lottery sales has started and the loyal fans have bought the tickets. But this has been an ongoing issue for all Japanese ice shows, which doesn't exclude this show, even though I understand it's on the highest tier of ice shows in Japan.
1) You put too much trust on Japanese show’s political literacy. Ukrainian skaters were invited because they are represented by Zakarian. Zakarian is Plushenko’s agent and Plushenko was a long-term cast in FAOI. Skaters need connection to perform in ice shows in Japan: Deniss got Stephane connection, Javi got Yuzu’s connection, Jason got IMG and Yuzu connection. Before, when ISU sanctioned the Russians, JSF wouldn’t allow their skaters to be in the same show with them (for good reason). As of now, ISU has given it a green light so it is a different situation.

2) Makabe will know for sure. Fans have complained about this before and any loyal fans should’ve known that this year’s arrangement is different than the usual ones. I have to disagree on this being ongoing issue with all ice shows in Japan since Yuzu’s ice shows (Ice Stories and Notte Stellata) didn’t do this. Also have to disagree with FAOI being highest tier ice shows in Japan. Nowadays I put it on third tier after Ice Story series and Hyoen.
 
I have 2 questions really:

(1) Why this show in particular, who had invited Ukrainian skaters as ensembles for the last 3 years, invited Russian skaters. Surely they know the optics- and they can't really claim they're not aware of it, since they did deliberately invite and include Ukrainian skaters before. No other Japanese show has flip flopped like this.

(2) Why announce it after the lottery sales has started and the loyal fans have bought the tickets. But this has been an ongoing issue for all Japanese ice shows, which doesn't exclude this show, even though I understand it's on the highest tier of ice shows in Japan.
Of course we don't know for sure Makabe's motivation in inviting such or such skater, but I think that we have very good clues of tangible motivations, without recurring to political conspiracies and speculations out of very thin likelihood. Money is a very powerful argument, and here, how is money? Fantasy on Ice is a rather expensive show, and he can't count on the heavy push of JSF on sponsors which Hyoen seems to have benefited of; he was doing very well as long as Yuzuru Hanyu was skating in Fantasy on Ice, because he could sell out large venues at nominal price (without discount). Last year, a good number of Tour B tickets were already sold when it was known for sure that Yuzuru Hanyu wouldn't be there? And there was the money from Tour A, in which Yuzuru Hanyu participated, and that was sold out.
Fantasy on Ice has always valued Olympic (Gold) Medals very much. Who do we have in 2025 as Olympic Gold Medallists, still skating professionally? There are not many, he invited Guillaume Cizeron, I tend to believe that what he can charge this year with Laurence Fournier-Beaudry is less than half what he could charge with Gabriella Papadakis because they haven't competed together yet, and they may be motivated to have a show of good standing before starting to compete together, for reputation building purposes, even if the paycheck isn't high this year.
Then, as ISU declared that Russian skaters can skate in shows, the obvious come: Alina Zagitova and Anna Shcherbakova are Olympic Gold Medallists, Alina Zagitova has long been popular in Japan, and I'm sure that their paycheck Fantasy on Ice can afford. On the paper, all the ingredients are there, and if they're not really fit to skate now, it doesn't matter much, somehow (after all, there are other skaters who will skate well).
As to political matters, I would readily believe that Makabe has asked JSF if it was really all right, and that's all. Why involving TV channels, when at the moment there's none in the package? Really, why?
If you really really want to involve Yuzuru Hanyu, it's maybe because he doesn't bring his fans and Olympic medals this year, that Makabe has called other holders who don't charge a high fee? That theory works, at least.
 
I hope the explanation is enough to educate people on FAOI situation. Some people prefer conspiracy theories while in reality it could be be as simple as Zakarian got more money from Alina and Anna. Their pay are higher than the Ukraine skaters, after all.
 
Oh it's not a conspiracy at all, but rather a very logical connection that ties it all together. All of your information neatly fits the gaps and updates the information that I already had earlier about this show.
 
From what I'm seeing on my TL, Japanese fans are conflicted about going to a show with Russians and not happy at all at the way this was handled by FaOI - having a delayed announcement, rather than telling everyone upfront. People who had already bought tickets feel like they haven't had a chance to make an informed decision, and now it's not that simple to cancel/change plans. It's giving JO messing up with the tickets in 2023 and then being cancelled the following year.
 
From what I'm seeing on my TL, Japanese fans are conflicted about going to a show with Russians and not happy at all at the way this was handled by FaOI - having a delayed announcement, rather than telling everyone upfront. People who had already bought tickets feel like they haven't had a chance to make an informed decision, and now it's not that simple to cancel/change plans. It's giving JO messing up with the tickets in 2023 and then being cancelled the following year.
It's not the first time that a show, including Fantasy on Ice, announces guest skaters rather late, and I'm afraid that it's not the last, if the show goes on. From the viewpoint of a fan of Yuzuru Hanyu, I remember that late announcements of his coming led to the complaint that his fans who can't afford many shows, therefore go only when he comes, had been deprived of the best seats (as in each category, the first sales go with the best seats); and last year, some complained that it wasn't clear that he wasn't participating in Tour B; and those who had bought tickets for Tour B believing that he would participate, couldn't resell them because the show wasn't sold out, unlike shows where he's participating.
I also remember a show (Stars on Ice?) without him, which was rather empty, to the point that the upmost seat rows had been covered with black cloth, and those who had bought cheap tickets for these rows, were brought to front rows, which of course, didn't please those who had paid for good seats and were not put in front rows...
Do you really see many complaints from ticket buyers regarding the invitation of Russian skaters? I rather had the impression that only a few were complaining because of their political opinions, whereas most people were just indifferent, and a few were rejoicing because they're fans of these skaters?
 
Do you really see many complaints from ticket buyers regarding the invitation of Russian skaters? I rather had the impression that only a few were complaining because of their political opinions, whereas most people were just indifferent, and a few were rejoicing because they're fans of these skaters?
Yes. Not directly, since the Japanese tend to be reserved in regards to these matters. But I'm seeing many saying they feel conflicted and/or are not entirely happy with the announcement, and/or giving their opinion re: a bigger discussion regarding this issue.

Whilst announcing performers late is very common, it's clear to me that not everyone is comfortable with these particular performers, especially those who bought tickets already.

I think the organisers simply thought that, since Russians will be back in international competition soon, everyone would be happy to see them back in shows, but I think the reality is more nuanced than that.
 
I guess like with anything on social media, anyone's impression of "many/few" really depends on who you follow and what bubble you are in.
I see nothing of the sort on my TL, TBH, no comments on FaOI at all atm, whether negative or positive, or nuanced, now when it is clear that Yuzu is not in it, my part of internet clearly lost interest... if not for this thread, I would never hear about it.... As the sales were not going that great, and the number of shows is very limited this year, the number of people involved probably is not that big either.
 
Yes. Not directly, since the Japanese tend to be reserved in regards to these matters. But I'm seeing many saying they feel conflicted and/or are not entirely happy with the announcement, and/or giving their opinion re: a bigger discussion regarding this issue.

Whilst announcing performers late is very common, it's clear to me that not everyone is comfortable with these particular performers, especially those who bought tickets already.

I think the organisers simply thought that, since Russians will be back in international competition soon, everyone would be happy to see them back in shows, but I think the reality is more nuanced than that.
It's true that we must also consider that many Japanese Figure Skating fans won't express strong opinions. Maybe, in Western countries, a test would be to see, during these skaters' skates in the show, if a number of people leave their seats ("well-timed toilet breaks"), but here too, in past instances, I have read Japanese fans saying that it wouldn't be polite to leave during a skater's program (I mean, not exactly during the program, this would be rude, but to leave just before during the announcement, and to come back to the seat just after); so, we cannot expect such an assessment of the extent of the dissent.
 
It's true that we must also consider that many Japanese Figure Skating fans won't express strong opinions. Maybe, in Western countries, a test would be to see, during these skaters' skates in the show, if a number of people leave their seats ("well-timed toilet breaks"), but here too, in past instances, I have read Japanese fans saying that it wouldn't be polite to leave during a skater's program (I mean, not exactly during the program, this would be rude, but to leave just before during the announcement, and to come back to the seat just after); so, we cannot expect such an assessment of the extent of the dissent.
Yeah I'm not expecting fans who attend to do any sort of protest, but I'm seeing that some fans are very publicly saying they will not attend, and/or they might re-consider their attendance. Which will basically defeat the whole point of bringing Russians lol

I think it'll be interesting to see what happens, IMO the Russians' presence will not move the dial as much when it comes to attendance and it might hurt an already tired brand which is Fantasy on Ice. The reality is, they have relied on Yuzu for too long and bringing back the Russians seem more like putting a plaster on a bleeding wound.
 
I guess like with anything on social media, anyone's impression of "many/few" really depends on who you follow and what bubble you are in.
I see nothing of the sort on my TL, TBH, no comments on FaOI at all atm, whether negative or positive, or nuanced, now when it is clear that Yuzu is not in it, my part of internet clearly lost interest... if not for this thread, I would never hear about it.... As the sales were not going that great, and the number of shows is very limited this year, the number of people involved probably is not that big either.
This is true, the fans I'm talking about are most likely not a very big group, but these are the fans who were planning or considering to attend based on the performers already announced.

So you get this group which is already not very big, then throw in a controversial announcement... Of course, there will be fans who will want to attend BECAUSE of the Russians, but I think the question is, will it be enough to offset those who are unhappy and will this hurt the brand in the future.

I think it'll be very interesting to see, and other shows will certainly be watching closely as well.
 
Sorry, may I ask a question about Yuzuru? Why is he not participating this year?

He hasn’t said anything about it, and since it is him he won’t say anything about it.

But his fans have suspected he won’t be there from the start because FAOI gives fan meetings this year.

I think he simply decided that it is time to move on and do so.
 
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