2025 Skate Canada Women's Free Skate

[Joekaz]

And a few others they missed. And she was underscored in PCS when compared with skaters with less packed program, weaker Skating Skills etc (less so than poor Yuna Aoki though, I hope that her scores will improve when she's better known). What's all this this insistence against ONE skater who overall was neither overscored, no underscored? Why (and who) did her victory trigger that much?

I don't see anyone saying she didn't deserve to win. What I see is that they did miss her UR on 2A in both programs. But all the top girls got away with stuff. And all the top girls got away with generous scoring even when they got called. 217 with five errors on jumps is very generous. 71 is a good PCS also. So far this season looks like Olympic season scoring inflation, not just for Chiba.

 

[Janice4th]

And a few others they missed. And she was underscored in PCS when compared with skaters with less packed program, weaker Skating Skills etc (less so than poor Yuna Aoki though, I hope that her scores will improve when she's better known). What's all this this insistence against ONE skater who overall was neither overscored, no underscored? Why (and who) did her victory trigger that much?

Skating skills is only one of three items that go into the score.

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

I don't see anyone saying she didn't deserve to win. What I see is that they did miss her UR on 2A in both programs. But all the top girls got away with stuff. And all the top girls got away with generous scoring even when they got called. 217 with five errors on jumps is very generous. 71 is a good PCS also. So far this season looks like Olympic season scoring inflation, not just for Chiba.

In the Free Skate too? I'm going to check. Her Double Axel is so good in general (not the highest or longest, her jumps are in a good medium range) and her Free was so exhilarating, she was flying and a good deal of the interpretation part is already there, the program is living in spite of the music cut. I thought the underrotation in the Short Program was due to choreography. Now, while agreeing that the whole scale of each Component may be argued, that one could keep every competing Woman under 8/64 because of an inaccessible ideal or transposing to Women what Yuzuru Hanyu did in his last two seasons as the level to reach to get 10, I see her as having an edge on her best competitors in Skating Skills, as having at least as good a carriage as Isabeau Levito's in a very Japanese way (I love both; it's one of Figure Skating's advantages that we can see skaters with very different styles), a great musicality too, only in Composition the music cut sets her backward on one criterium, and such a packed program, so one-footed, beautiful edges etc! 217 with minor errors on jumps looks high, but when we look at the details, it does add up this way? Others got over 220 at other competitions because their errors weren't called, their Components assessed VERY generously (I agree with abandon as a criterium but it can't make up for many weaker ones). 71 for how she skates was all right (by no way generous) for a reasonably strict judging, while others even in this competition got more without reaching her level, they were scored on a more lenient base.
Did you protest after Grand Prix de France and Cup of China?

Edit, rather than adding a post; in answer to your post about Skating Skills not being the only Component, I wrote it in full because she's so evidently above some scored higher; I wrote only etc for Presentation and Composition because the problem seemed to me less visible there, being on a par with the best and scored well under.

 

[Joekaz]

In the Free Skate too? I'm going to check. Her Double Axel is so good in general (not the highest or longest, her jumps are in a good medium range) and her Free was so exhilarating, she was flying and a good deal of the interpretation part is already there, the program is living in spite of the music cut. I thought the underrotation in the Short Program was due to choreography. Now, while agreeing that the whole scale of each Component may be argued, that one could keep every competing Woman under 8/64 because of an inaccessible ideal or transposing to Women what Yuzuru Hanyu did in his last two seasons as the level to reach to get 10, I see her as having an edge on her best competitors in Skating Skills, as having at least as good a carriage as Isabeau Levito's in a very Japanese way (I love both; it's one of Figure Skating's advantages that we can see skaters with very different styles), a great musicality too, only in Composition the music cut sets her backward on one criterium, and such a packed program, so one-footed, beautiful edges etc! 217 with minor errors on jumps looks high, but when we look at the details, it does add up this way? Others got over 220 at other competitions because their errors weren't called, their Components assessed VERY generously (I agree with abandon as a criterium but it can't make up for many weaker ones). 71 for how she skates was all right (by no way generous) for a reasonably strict judging, while others even in this competition got more without reaching her level, they were scored on a more lenient base.
Did you protest after Grand Prix de France and Cup of China?

Edit, rather than adding a post; in answer to your post about Skating Skills not being the only Component, I wrote it in full because she's so evidently above some scored higher; I wrote only etc for Presentation and Composition because the problem seemed to me less visible there, being on a par with the best and scored well under.

Like I said, so far the season has Olympic inflation for the all top finishers, not just her. In Japan, the girls with best skating skills are Kaori, Wakaba, Mone and Matsuike. Then maybe Rion next.

 

[readernick]

And a few others they missed. And she was underscored in PCS when compared with skaters with less packed program, weaker Skating Skills etc (less so than poor Yuna Aoki though, I hope that her scores will improve when she's better known). What's all this this insistence against ONE skater who overall was neither overscored, no underscored? Why (and who) did her victory trigger that much?

Very simple answer here. Mone is a great skater but people want fairness in judging. The judging panel was quite harsh with most skaters which is fine. But, that needs to be applied equally to everyone. The panel seemed to be blind for Mone ( particularly) but also Ami and Bradie and the Canadians to a certain degree. I like all these skaters but I want everyone to be called fairly. Mone's PCS was the highest of the event. Fair. Deserved. But, she had two under rotated jumps in the SP uncalled, in the LP they also ignored several obvious URs and didn't call her flutzes. Fair judging means strict judging for all not just skaters you personally don't like. Panels should be consistent.

 

[RafaelAstro]

Mone in the short program should have received a ‘q’ on the Lutz and an underrotation call on her double Axel, in my opinion. In the free skate, none of her jumps were underrotated; some of them could be marked as ‘q’ if you want. But I feel people nowadays are obsessed with under calls, and everyone seems to have a different perception of what counts as underrotation. And let's be real it will always depend on the technical panel of each event, plus the influence of the federation and the skater. That's why the marks aren’t consistent, even in the same competition. And let's not forget that deductions also depend on the camera angle.

 

[DizzyFrenchie]

Very simple answer here. Mone is a great skater but people want fairness in judging. The judging panel was quite harsh with most skaters which is fine. But, that needs to be applied equally to everyone. The panel seemed to be blind for Mone ( particularly) but also Ami and Bradie and the Canadians to a certain degree. I like all these skaters but I want everyone to be called fairly. Mone's PCS was the highest of the event. Fair. Deserved. But, she had two under rotated jumps in the SP uncalled, in the LP they also ignored serval obvious URs and didn't call her flutzes. Fair judging means strict judging for all not just skaters you personally don't like. Panels should be consistent.

I'm sorry but this is not true. The panel was rather harsher for her (and even harsher for Yuna Aoki) than it was for American skaters in particular.
To answer also to RafaelAstro, her Short Program 3Lz had an unclear edge and it was called, but it lacked only about 75° rotation, which is NOT a q. A q is when 90° are missing. What they didn't see is the rotation of her 2A but somehow, it compensated the difference of Component treatment with most other skaters. The judging at this competition was the nearer of fair I have seen in many years.

 

[rabidline]

And let's be real it will always depend on the technical panel of each event, plus the influence of the federation and the skater.

Also it depends on who is in the field at the moment. When you put a skater with questionable rotations in a field of skaters with questionable rotations (thinking of all of them: Mone, Yuna Aoki, Isabeau and Bradie here), it cancels each other out.

I think what's different here is that there is a skater who don't have that kind of reputation for a full season last year, but suddenly had it just for this competition (Sarah).

My interpretation of this is more simple: the panel were holding back people for the benefit of multiple interests in the SP. Also notice once Madeline Schizas completely fumbled her SP, the panel started acting like the calls didn't matter for everyone who skated after her.

 

[readernick]

Mone in the short program should have received a ‘q’ on the Lutz and an underrotation call on her double Axel, in my opinion. In the free skate, none of her jumps were underrotated; some of them could be marked as ‘q’ if you want. But I feel people nowadays are obsessed with under calls, and everyone seems to have a different perception of what counts as underrotation. And let's be real it will always depend on the technical panel of each event, plus the influence of the federation and the skater. That's why the marks aren’t consistent, even in the same competition. And let's not forget that deductions also depend on the camera angle.

2A in free was definitely Ur even the judges saw it and gave her lower GOE than normal but the panel didn't review it in either program. Her lutzes are flutzes. The qs were correct. Sarah had jumps with similar amounts of rotation marked as urs so Mone definitely deserved the qs.Anyway, what you say is true but it doesn't make it fair or just. As I said, technical calling should be fair for all. You either want fair judging or you don't. I want fair judging for all not just my least favorite skaters. Some posters here, obviously only care if calls are missed for skaters they don't like.

 

[RafaelAstro]

I also want fair judging, but to be honest, that will never fully happen in any sport. It can definitely be better though. Anyway, I think the placements were correct, just not the scores. If I started listing everything I disagreed with in the judging at this competition (and every other one) I would never finish lol. And that’s the same case for everyone else here.