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2025 WTT: Thoughts?

On the ladies' side, Amber "keep-on-fighting-no matter-what" G;enn kept on fighting. Good competition for Anastasia Gubanova.

I see that Kaori Sakamoto received two qs. This either proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the fix was is, or else it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wasn't.
 
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Oh good grief! It's the end of the season and supposed to be a fun team event. I think the ISU is doing just fine with this. It WAS fun, it did show a lot of teamwork in a sport that's usually more of an individual experience. It's been a very long season and many of these skaters are dealing with aches and pains that we don't even know about. I enjoyed it for what it is.
 
Finally finally amber glenn skates clean! I gotta admit the program and choreography are not good. I hope she gets a better program in the olympic season. I'd be happy if she went back to that lady gaga/my baby shot me down program, or the Red Violin program. Maybe the judges are acknowledging the bad program by giving much higher pcs to alysa and kaori?
 
Mathman said:
Well, OK, this competition was all in fun. For me, it wasn’t. I think that the ISU needs to take a hard look at the direction the sport is headed, on the men’s side, if it wants to attract any audience at all going forward. The IJS has deteriorated to "throw everything at the wall and hope that 50% of it sticks and you win the gold medal."
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IJS isn't at fault here. The competition requires that top skaters for each country compete, or else the country will be disqualified. If they are injured/sick and withdraw, they are not allowed to do a paid show until a date decided by the ISU. That's what the rules are.

If you don't like IJS, that's fine. But when men are competing at a competition when they're tired, coming off a high-pressure competition Worlds that determine if they'll get a chance at the Olympics and want to move on to preparing for next season or tours, I'd expect it to be messy even with 6.0.
 
Sorry @Mathman, I don't agree at all. Sure, some skaters were not at their best. Others were, and that at the end of the season. Daniel had a great FS, something he hasn't shown in ages. Sadovsky showed character by landing his 4s-eu-3s, after he failed at his first 4s, something he had problems with doing all season round, I thought both unretired skaters did a good job (even if they came in last, someone has to be last in any case), Jason was sublime both in his SP and FS. and didn't even try a quad (thankfully). I've seen Kevin fall apart after a mistake, not this time, Adam had a great SP, while his FS was less so. I see no difference with any men's competition where the outcome of the SP is not similar to a FS (and skaters rise up or fall down in the standings). That's the charm of any men''s event. Why should it be different here?
 
Adam wasn't trying for 5 quads to win, or a 4F to win, it was practice for next season. Do I think the first attempt at a 5-quad program or 4F would be perfect? No. Several people called this event "fluff" even before it started. Well, you got fluffy fluffiness in the fluffiest of all fluff events. If you didn't like it, fluff it.


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Arigato said:
Adam wasn't trying for 5 quads to win, or a 4F to win, it was practice for next season.
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Well.... I hate to be mean to any skater, but it is the quality of the performance that I can most easily judge and comment on, not the skater's' motivation, how tired he is, what his attitude toward fluff competitions is, etc.
 
Mathman said:
Well.... I hate to be mean to any skater, but it is the quality of the performance that I can most easily judge and comment on
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Frankly, I enjoyed seeing Kevin's 'quality performance' in a wig and skirt.

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Bluediamonds09 said:
Finally finally amber glenn skates clean! I gotta admit the program and choreography are not good. I hope she gets a better program in the olympic season. I'd be happy if she went back to that lady gaga/my baby shot me down program, or the Red Violin program. Maybe the judges are acknowledging the bad program by giving much higher pcs to alysa and kaori?
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To me, Amber Glenn is the easiest of all the leading ladies to prognosticate about. If she hits her triple Axel in the short program and in the long, she will probably win, even if she makes a few mistakes here and there otherwise. If she hits one out of two, SP and LP, she still has a chance. Here is her season.

Skate America. SP: 3A yes (set record for a US lady in this event)
LP: 3A under-rotated, still held off a challenge from Higuchi whom she led by 12 points after the SP.

Cup of China. SP: 3Aq, trailed Chiba (by 0.02 points) for 2nd.
LP: Good 3A plus 7 other triples to win going away.

Grand Prix Final. SP: 3A OK, imperfect skate, led Chiba by less than a point.
LP: 3A OK, pretty good slate otherwise, edged Mone in both TES and PCS (!)

Worlds. SP: Fell on triple Axel, 9th place.
LP: Successful 3A, gave back a few points later, 4th place.
 
I always enjoy this competition! I love the silly stunts in the KnC. I love that for each skater, there is a real fresh chance to do very well in the free program.

I especially appreciate joyous programs so of course I loved Urashadze's "Mamma Mia" program, Kaori's "Chicago" and Alysa's "MacArthur Park.'

I love a good redemption skate and was so thrilled to see Amber have her best FS of the year, and to see Gubanova have two good programs.

Jason was just wonderful. That is the only time when he skated that Tarzan program to its full potential

I haven't watched the pairs FS yet.

I really loved both Madison & Evan and Piper & Paul.

Those old school teams really know how to move to the beat, as you are supposed to do in social dancing. Especially in the rhythm dance, you should feel you are watching people dance! That tends to get lost sometimes, but not with either of those two teams.

I am looking forward to the gala tonight!
 
Mathman said:
For me, the men’s fee skate was absolutely atrocious and gave figure skating a black eye, if anyone was watching. The best skater in the world (Malikin) attempted 6 quads, landed 3. The second best skater in the world (Kagiyama) attempted 4 quads, fell twice, The third best skater in the world (Siao Him Fa) attempted 5 quads, fell twice, big negative GOE on two others. Aymoz' first two elements were a triple toe then another triple toe. Memola led off with a fall on a quad. Sadovsky led off with a double Salchow. Egasze messed up both of his quad Salchow attempts, Rakic got -5s in GOE on his first three elements (a quad toe and two triple Axels), Kvitelashvili opened with 3S combo, 2A and 1T before falling on his 4T.

Well, OK, this competition was all in fun. For me, it wasn’t. I think that the ISU needs to take a hard look at the direction the sport is headed, on the men’s side, if it wants to attract any audience at all going forward. The IJS has deteriorated to "throw everything at the wall and hope that 50% of it sticks and you win the gold medal."

(Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? ;) )
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Hunh. I guess you missed the fact that Jason was there and that he actually skated quite well?
 
saine said:
IJS isn't at fault here. The competition requires that top skaters for each country compete, or else the country will be disqualified. If they are injured/sick and withdraw, they are not allowed to do a paid show until a date decided by the ISU. That's what the rules are.

If you don't like IJS, that's fine. But when men are competing at a competition when they're tired, coming off a high-pressure competition Worlds that determine if they'll get a chance at the Olympics and want to move on to preparing for next season or tours, I'd expect it to be messy even with 6.0.
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Not to mention multiple skaters from this event did Japan SOI prior to WTT and right after Worlds.
 
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Skater Boy said:
i still fee Chock and Bates are over scored but i think Piper and Paul maybe realize its over. I remember Brian Orser aftterr he lost to Brian Boitano at the olympics he jus sort of gave up that he would ever beat him. Psquared look defeated. Even though CB are overrated they deserve to be first but not by as much (not that it matters in WTT results. Its the placement. Canada's singles skating et them down as per usual. Usa soid. Sorry for Amber but Allysa has no issue being the world champ. Illia just ooks unstoppable.
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It's definitely not over for P2. They use more ice and speed and deep edges when they skate unlike many other teams that get higher scores, heck the Italians do as well. Too bad the judges don't realize that. :coffee:
 
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