2026 Olympics: Men's Short Program

[NewLook]

Many people are up in arms about the ice dancing result, but very few are talking about Adam being robbed in the SP by getting a lower score than Yuma despite Yuma's obvious mistake on the 3A. Egregiously bad judging there.

I think it's because Yima has been though blatantly overscored for years. People are simply had enough of typing it.

 

[lariko]

Watching the whole thing with Mom, and I got a random observation that Shaidorov and Levito have a passing resemblance to one another in facial features.

 

[yfan1]

I think it's because Yima has been though blatantly overscored for years. People are simply had enough of typing it.

The guy's technical errors have always been ignored, because people can just chant "amazing skating skills" a few times, and be done with it.

Flutz is an amazing skating skill.

Bad axis on 4S is an amazing skating skill.

Tiny ass 3A is an amazing skating skill.

Pre-rotated toe jumps are amazing skating skills.

So on.

 

[yfan1]

Czech TV broadcasted Short Programs of 17 men. We could watch the height and air time of men.

I compared the height of all quad jumps and triple axels.

One exception - Kevin Aymoz's 3axel was not measured....?

Sure it is just indicative. Skater is more tired in the second half of the program. Different type of jump means different take off. Ilia is entering 3axel literally from steps.

But if you are interested, take a look.

What this doesn't show though is the flawed technique someone like Adam uses on his 3A to get that height.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Gumennik's edges are deeper and his program even the one made 3 days ago is less empty and has less crossovers than Egadze.

That's absolutely false. Gumennik's program is FULL of crossovers and simple pushes from one foot to the other, moreso than Egadze's. I just watched both again to confirm. Gumennik even has crossovers in his footwork sequence; none for Egadze. In addition, Gumennik has less choreographic highlights and the things he does do are less evocative and meaningful with the music. Plus less speed. Yes you can say Egadze has less fluid knees, but that's it.

 

[meadow]

A little late, even though I caught up on the videos of the last skaters the day after the short program (+Grassl, since I'm Italian and wanted to see what the Italian commentators, who are super patriotic, kept talking about).

My favorite programs were Adam's and Yuma's. I couldn't say who I would put in second or third place. Tbh I'm a little biased towards Yuma (perhaps like the judges).

Ilia took first place, as I expected. I have to say that even though I find him technically amazing, I'm not crazy about his skating style; I prefer other skaters more than him. It's a bit funny when you think about it, since at the time I really liked Alexandra Trusova, who, like Ilia, focused more on the technical side.

I don't usually follow the men particularly closely, apart from a few specific skaters, so I didn't know Egadze or Shaidorov very well. As for the former, not having seen Gumennik's performance, I can't contribute to the dispute and I can only say that he didn't particularly impress me, but then again, the scores and rankings reflect this impression. I liked Shaidorov better, partly because I really like the music.

I'm sorry that Shun Sato wasn't at his best. He's one of those skaters I don't follow, but I always enjoy watching him when he's in a competition.

Based on what Italian commentators were saying, I had high expectations for Grassl. To be fair, compared to the past (I last saw him skate two or three years ago, I think), I found him to be better, even though I still find him a bit stiff in some movements. Although I must admit that I find several men stiff, which is why I prefer to watch the women.

Tonight I plan to watch the free skate live. Even though the gold medal seems to be spoken for, I'll still be rooting for Adam and Yuma

 

[sisinka]

That's absolutely false. Gumennik's program is FULL of crossovers and simple pushes from one foot to the other, moreso than Egadze's. I just watched both again to confirm. Gumennik even has crossovers in his footwork sequence; none for Egadze. In addition, Gumennik has less choreographic highlights and the things he does do are less evocative and meaningful with the music. Plus less speed. Yes you can say Egadze has less fluid knees, but that's it.

You look to be a very strict judge.

I was surprised with your claim, so I had to rewatch. But result was not really as I expected.

Yuma Kagiyama – 5 crossovers – 4T+3T – 6 crossovers – 4salchow - Spin - 6 crossovers - 3axel - Spin - Step Sequence (2 crossovers in it) - spin.
Yuma executed 19 crossovers.

Petr Gumennik - 2 crossovers - 4F+2T - 6 crossovers - 4L - Spin - 5 crossovers - 3axel - 1crossover - Spin - 2 crossovers - Step Sequence (3 crossovers in it) - Spin.
Petr executed 19 crossovers.

Adam Siao Him Fa - 4 crossovers - 4T+3T - 4 crossovers - 3axel - 6 crossovers - 4salchow - Spin - Spin - 1 crossover - Step Sequence - 1 crossover - Spin.
Adam executed 16 crossovers.

Aleksandr Selevko - 7 crossovers - 4T - 7 crossovers - 3axel - 9 crossovers - 3L - 3 crossovers - Step Sequence (3 crossovers in it) - Spin - 1 crossover - Spin.
Aleksandr executed 30 crossovers.

I find Yuma's Short Program great - looking at fun and dance ability. But counting his crossover, I could not overlook how many two-footed skating and simple steps using toepick and doing little jumps from one foot to another he had. (I cannot say I would mind that too much.)

Comparing to Yuma all other skaters had less two-footed skating and little jumps / toepicks, especially Adam. Such program as Adam's was more difficult and better in your eyes, correct?

After all which Short Programs from this or last season are constructed in a way that you would take them as difficult / worthy enough? I would be curious to know.

 

[Blades of Passion]

I don't think number of crossovers should matter, only the quality and choreographic impact of what someone is doing. Aleksandr Selevko has one of the best SP's, for example.

But if people are going to try and bring it up, then yeah it needs to be accurate, and it's not just number of crossovers then, but also simple pushes from one foot to another (which Gumennik's program has a lot of. I also count 20 crossovers for him, you left out one during his opening choreo where he does a short one before a hop).

 

[yfan1]

Crossover counting has to be one of the worst 'analyses' that the CoP has caused. No one looks at Patrick Chan and says his number of crossovers is what's the most amazing part of his basic skating

 

[gsk8]

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