Replay Lounge 2026 Worlds

[Tutto]

her axels were downgraded. I am not sure Georgia isn't powerful... it seems like they get plenty of reward for what they put on the ice at times.

my beef is the high GOE on their lifts.

I don't care that Lia and Trennt should have been given silver... bronze or silver... same thing in my opinion...

but I care that this pairs is constantly earning high scores no matter what they put on the ice.

The Hungarians made one mistake and they were relegated down.

Lia & Trent got a small silver (deservedly so!) and yes, if M/B were scored correctly for what they put on the ice yesterday they would have finished in 2nd overall too. I must say I am impressed that they kept their cool under that sort of pressure - obviously they learnt the lesson from Milano and I am very happy for them!
Not so happy, alas, for my favourites Alisa/Misha. I think not being able to go to the Olympics hurt them here, they were not competing for 2 months, put a lot of pressure on themselves to do well here after winning the 4CC and got too nervous in the short. Into the free they came to fight and so they did! The general idea (especially in Russia) that Alisa is hopeless at jumps and never will do well for that reason, I think her technique is rather hopeless but Alisa is fighting (most of the time) for landings like a lion. I can't figure out why she went down on 3T it was a fully rotated jump, she managed to stay on her feet underrotating many a time ...sigh... The way she fought for the sequence though-after a hand down on the sal she somehow got 2 fully rotated axels! I would not call it hopeless. The Russians fans do drive me mad occasionally if they got something into their heads, nothing would change it. And the label sticks.
I agree with you on the Hungarians - judges seem to penalise their mistakes more than others. The only explanation I can offer is that they are so devoid of any charisma that they really need to be clean technically, when they are not, what they lack in PCS becomes more obvious.

I also think (maybe I am biased) that Alisa/Misha don't get high enough GOEs for the elements they do really well. Their throws yesterday were top notch, frankly I do not know how it could be any better - height, distance, landing position, lines, effortless - in short -perfection, well, judges do not think so, only a few judges gave it 4 some even gave it 1! And a DS which is arguably the best in the world (as opposed to M/Bs) not getting the marks it deserves.
Judges were quite generous I thought to the Japanese, both throws were two footed, only one got a tiny reduction. It seems the speed remains the quality judges love most and ready to reward big time.
I also was surprised how well Emily/Spencer were scored in the short (with 2T) and placed above Alisa/Misha. Even for the disaster of the free skate, they got a base value of the program. I really hope Emily is ok, even to look at that was painful and distressing.
All in all, apart from Minerva/Nikita 's overdue win, and Lea/Trent medalling it was not a great competition. Everyone made some mistakes even the winners so it was a bit disappointing.

 

[4everchan]

Lia & Trent got a small silver (deservedly so!) and yes, if M/B were scored correctly for what they put on the ice yesterday they would have finished in 2nd overall too. I must say I am impressed that they kept their cool under that sort of pressure - obviously they learnt the lesson from Milano and I am very happy for them!

agree

Not so happy, alas, for my favourites Alisa/Misha. I think not being able to go to the Olympics hurt them here, they were not competing for 2 months, put a lot of pressure on themselves to do well here after winning the 4CC and got too nervous in the short. Into the free they came to fight and so they did! The general idea (especially in Russia) that Alisa is hopeless at jumps and never will do well for that reason, I think her technique is rather hopeless but Alisa is fighting (most of the time) for landings like a lion. I can't figure out why she went down on 3T it was a fully rotated jump, she managed to stay on her feet underrotating many a time ...sigh... The way she fought for the sequence though-after a hand down on the sal she somehow got 2 fully rotated axels! I would not call it hopeless. The Russians fans do drive me mad occasionally if they got something into their heads, nothing would change it. And the label sticks.
I agree with you on the Hungarians - judges seem to penalise their mistakes more than others. The only explanation I can offer is that they are so devoid of any charisma that they really need to be clean technically, when they are not, what they lack in PCS becomes more obvious.

I obviously don't bother reading what the Russian fans are saying about Efimova. Not after what they were saying of Lubov
I thought Alisa fought very hard for the axels in the sequence. She got the jump done but at this level, the GOEs will not be positive with hard fought jumps when one of the most important criteria is that an element must be performed "effortlessly"

Regarding the Hungarians, yes. They lack charisma. I am starting to appreciate them more but I already do not remember their program which I have watched less than 12 hours ago. So that says a lot.. At the same time, I do not remember much from Miniki's program and aside from a phone call, from the Georgians'

Someone mentioned this in another thread but pairs has become very boring. Nobody bothers making real programs anymore. They skate to insipid music with a focus on the qualify of elements. Not having Sui-Han, Deanna and Max and Conti-Macii, three teams with real programs didn't help this event. I didn't like Efimova-Mitrofanov's program but there is a program in there. Lia and Trennt also have a program. Who else ? Chan and Howe do but they had such a rough skate. So in that sense, the Hungarians are just following the trend which is sad.

I also think (maybe I am biased) that Alisa/Misha don't get high enough GOEs for the elements they do really well. Their throws yesterday were top notch, frankly I do not know how it could be any better - height, distance, landing position, lines, effortless - in short -perfection, well, judges do not think so, only a few judges gave it 4 some even gave it 1! And a DS which is arguably the best in the world (as opposed to M/Bs) not getting the marks it deserves.
Judges were quite generous I thought to the Japanese, both throws were two footed, only one got a tiny reduction. It seems the speed remains the quality judges love most and ready to reward big time.

Speed is a factor in pairs which can only be seen from the rink. It's particularly true with lifts and throws and the Japanese are impressive in that sense. However, I do agree that Alisa's position in the death spiral is unmatched. I haven't seen E/M skate live so I'd need to see if there is anything preventing the high scores from the rink. A lower ranked team, Laurin and Éthier have this issue. Of course, yesterday, they had a bad skate but when they skate well, they often do not get high GOEs on some elements because they are slow approaching them.

I also was surprised how well Emily/Spencer were scored in the short (with 2T) and placed above Alisa/Misha. Even for the disaster of the free skate, they got a base value of the program. I really hope Emily is ok, even to look at that was painful and distressing.

I think pairs shouldn't get points at all for a doubled jump in the SP unless it's a double axel. That rule needs to change. Massot-Savchenko are Olympic champions with a popped jump in the short... they had the best LP fine.. but I was not impressed with how well they ranked after the SP and still remember it from 8 years ago LOL

All in all, apart from Minerva/Nikita 's overdue win, and Lea/Trent medalling it was not a great competition. Everyone made some mistakes even the winners so it was a bit disappointing.

pairs is often hot or cold I find ... but in an olympic year, it's rarely ever stellar. It was the same 4 years ago... actually it was way worse

 

[CoyoteChris]

They talk much less than Tara and Johnny. At least to me. Maybe Tania is still getting the hang of when to shut up? Shrug.

Normally, I would agree with you...but for some reason Tara was subdued during the pairs free. There would be whole 30 second periods where they said nothing.....

 

[Tutto]

I obviously don't bother reading what the Russian fans are saying about Efimova. Not after what they were saying of Lubov
I thought Alisa fought very hard for the axels in the sequence. She got the jump done but at this level, the GOEs will not be positive with hard fought jumps when one of the most important criteria is that an element must be performed "effortlessly"

Speed is a factor in pairs which can only be seen from the rink. It's particularly true with lifts and throws and the Japanese are impressive in that sense. However, I do agree that Alisa's position in the death spiral is unmatched. I haven't seen E/M skate live so I'd need to see if there is anything preventing the high scores from the rink. A lower ranked team, Laurin and Éthier have this issue. Of course, yesterday, they had a bad skate but when they skate well, they often do not get high GOEs on some elements because they are slow approaching them.

I hope I was not misunderstood, I never said Alisa should get positive GOE for her jumps which are obviously the weakest element of this team. They did get the base value for the sequence minus 0.79 GOE which was fair. My point was they are not given high enough points for what they are really excel at... Every team has a weaker area/s; some like M/B manage to win Olympic medals with not just one but several problematic elements. But jumps seem to have the biggest negative impact on the overall ranking.
And, yes, Lubov's name routinely being brought up in Russia in the same conversation as ''Alisa and her jumps''

I agree on the lack of interesting programs. To be fair to the pairs, they need to do 11 very difficult elements in 4 min. There is not even a step sequence, just a choreo sequence. Yes, the very best teams manage to cram in some transitions between elements but it is not easy at all, in my very humble opinion something has to go and make space for the choreo, otherwise we are bound to watch not programs but technical elements in sequence.

 

[Sjs5572]

Thanks for posting those GOEs for Amber's combo. 0 to -5. So it cost her a point? Am I reading that correctly? She turns fast so its hard to catch the UR without stop action. How much would a UR cost her if it was caught?

Even though it was two footed, it looked 270 degrees rotated to me. If called underrotated, she would have lost an additional 1.26 points. I'm not sure why this call is so important to you. This was a lenient tech panel, and in my opinion the no edge alert call for Chiba and Sakamoto's lutzes were more egregious than a no ur call for Amber's toe.

 

[SmileHappy34]

Rewatched women's short and some of men's.
I am impressed with how well all are skating at end of season.

What a joy for Hase and Voldin to win
Georgia pair second.
Surprise at Canada 3rd but we'll deserved.

The short programs in women's, men's, and rhythm dance are awesome and inspiring.

Just a thought
Yuma coaching staff , was this before he switched to Carolina Kostner,?
Did not she come?

Great worlds so far.
Nice job Prague
Lovely backdrop
Great skates

 

[Anna K.]

@NoNameFace Kaori's crown is your best work ever!

 

[yfan1]

Bringing it here from the fan thread:

and found the difference between her score and Kaori Sakamoto's a bit high tonight, do you really think that Mone Chiba ought to have been ahead?

She's the better performer, better spinner, had better choreography, and the difference in skating skill is not that high.

Kaori had better jumps and better basic skating, but even if you compare the transitions and step sequences, Mone has better finish with her movements, and does everything with so much more patience. This wasn't a particularly fantastic performance, but to me, yeah, Mone won. A small blip on a jumping pass isn't enough for me to put her behind Kaori, and the PCS were entirely nonsensical.

 

[Anna K.]

I think I finally deciphered the idea behind Kaori's gloves.

I suspected it before but after her final fist pump I'm 100% certain that it was a tribute to boxing gloves. The connection with music: Patricia Kaas in her Kaas Sings Piaf concert show used boxing gloves as an emotional symbol/reference to Edith Piaf biography (Edith was in love with the French boxer Marcel Cerdan).

And now I'm getting emotional about her gloves... too

 

[skatedreamer]

Praise be to the Skating Gods!

Peacock just posted the "world feed" replay of the women's FS. Because of work, I missed the end (and much of the beginning) and was...less than excited about possibly having to watch the USA replay with T&J. Besides, I'm developing a crush on Mark Hanretty's accent.

Skating binge for me this evening and all day tomorrow. Hot dang!

 

[Arigato]

Bringing it here from the fan thread:

<snipped the post that belongs in the fan thread>

Since when do we drag fan thread conversations between two people out of the original location and dump it into another thread? For what purpose? Just start a new thread. Simple enough.

 

[4everchan]

I just watched the women.

Kaori is just the perfect champion we needed for this sport. I will miss her.

 

[reneerose]

Besides, I'm developing a crush on Mark Hanretty's accent.

I love his voice. He makes me feel so calm

 

[noskates]

I really appreciated Tonia K's commentary. She talks just the right amount and is a good partner with Mark. All in all it was so refreshing to be able to hear the music and not hear "grade of execution" every 5 minutes. I've also been very amazed at the crowds Prague is pulling in. That's so great. On a less than positive note, what is it going to take for the US to get a pairs lady that can land a darn jump!! So frustrating.

 

[Mathman]

I like Tonia Kwiatkowskiy. She was one of my favorites back in the day. I am happy to see her get the gig.

As for talkative commentators , I don't know if they get paid by the word, but they do get paid to talk. They talk.

 

[Mathman]

I just watched the women.

Kaori is just the perfect champion we needed for this sport. I will miss her.

List of women who have won 4 or more world championships:

Lily Kronberger
Herma Szabo
Sonja Henie
Carol Heiss
Katarina Witt
Michelle Kwan
Kaori Sakamoto

 

[skatedreamer]

I like Tonia Kwiatkowskiy. She was one of my favorites back in the day. I am happy to see her get the gig.

As for talkative commentators , I don't know if they get paid by the word, but they do get paid to talk. They talk.

I always enjoyed Tonia's skating; remember her as strong and dynamic. The word "straightforward" comes to mind.

There was one year at US Nats when the rest of the top women were tiny teenagers. Then came Tonia, and Uncle Dick Button...never one to mince words...said "there's a woman on the ice!"

Good old Uncle Dick. Makes me smile to this day.

 

[Mathman]

Kudos to Nina Pinzaronne, Isabeau Levito, Lara Naki Gutmann and Jia Shin for moving on up in the LP!

 

[yfan1]

Mathman AND Doris have their birthdays today? Wow, happy birthday!

 

[Diana Delafield]

I love his voice. He makes me feel so calm

So is his own skating. I follow him on FB, just to watch the smooth flow of his stroking exercises.