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Me three about being turned off by the constant nitpicking about qs, etc.
But actually, there might be a good reason why this depressing debate bedevils women's skating more than men's. From casual observation on TV, my impression is that in wimen's, virtually every jump could be called on the quarter -- or not. For some reason, for the men it is easier to form an opinion one way of the other.
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Like you, I appreciate a good Euler combination. Dick Button called them "half-loops" and I always feel vaguely disloyal when I use the proper term.
And, like you and Mr Button, I want to see them resemble "skipping a stone across a pond."
I once saw a protocol that included an UR Euler. Don't see that every day. Well, you don't see it called, at any rate.
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Someone had a downgraded euler recently.
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What was it downgraded to, a 0-loop?
From the scale of values, Eu<< which is worth 0 points (regular value is 0.5 points, there's no BV for a Eu< though.)What was it downgraded to, a 0-loop?
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If they must be called eulers, which they shouldn't, it needs to be pronounced U-LER.
Calling it an OIL-ER will immediately result in a lifetime ban and a curse upon your family.
Calling it an OIL-ER will immediately result in a lifetime ban and a curse upon your family.
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Leonhard Euler (OIL-er) was the most prolific mathematician of all time. His legacy consisted of literally thosands of publications and personal correspondences on every branch of mathematics that existed in his time, many produced after he became totally blind.
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Sorry for my ignorant question, I had assumed that Eulers and Single Loops were two different jumps which I couldn't differentiate, was it really just one jump, or is it like Crossovers and Crossunders, two different steps but some call them all Crossovers? If there are two different jumps, and if someday a good fairy passes by, I should very much like a much slowed-down video or GIF or animation illustrating both under a similar angle!
(Shall I be burnt at stake?)
(And this belongs more to the Lutz Corner.)
(Shall I be burnt at stake?)
(And this belongs more to the Lutz Corner.)
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It just goes to show you can vehemently disagree with a poster on one issue... and yet be prepared to follow him/her into battle on another one. A pox on all the OIL-ER sayers.
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An euler starts from the landing foot of a previous jump - the right foot for most skaters. And then they hop a single rotation to land on the left foot with a proper edge to support a third jump - a salchow or flip.
A loop starts on the right foot (again for most skaters) and lands on the right foot. The landing foot is how the jumps are different.
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All of this is quite admirable. But he pronounced his last name incorrectly.
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Mind you, he was from Basel, a Bernoulli friend, we'd need to investigate first, to determine how he'd likely pronounce his own name!All of this is quite admirable. But he pronounced his last name incorrectly.
Basel German - Wikipedia
And let's not rely only on today's renditions: Strasburg people have always pronounced Broglie as it's written (in French pronunciation), more or less bro' - glee (with a contemporary French r), instead of how the surname Broglie ought to be pronounced: Breuil; Br with a French r, u like in put, y. So, a main place in Strasbourg being Place Broglie (and its unmissable bookstore Librairie Broglie) it is traditionally pronounced Place Bro' - glee. It's the proper pronunciation of the place, diverging from the proper pronunciation of the surname for historical reasons. It's now been 15-20 years that Strasbourg people have started to pronounce Br - u -y as in the surname Broglie! Even the tramway announcements are this way! It cringes! In the same way, Basel people may have changed their pronunciation of Euler, for instance under "foreign" influence. This will make our investigation all the more difficult.
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And we're off and running!Mind you, he was from Basel, a Bernoulli friend, we'd need to investigate first, to determine how he'd likely pronounce his own name!
Basel German - Wikipedia
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And let's not rely only on today's renditions: Strasburg people have always pronounced Broglie as it's written (in French pronunciation), more or less bro' - glee (with a contemporary French r), instead of how the surname Broglie ought to be pronounced: Breuil; Br with a French r, u like in put, y. So, a main place in Strasbourg being Place Broglie (and its unmissable bookstore Librairie Broglie) it is traditionally pronounced Place Bro' - glee. It's the proper pronunciation of the place, diverging from the proper pronunciation of the surname for historical reasons. It's now been 15-20 years that Strasbourg people have started to pronounce Br - u -y as in the surname Broglie! Even the tramway announcements are this way! It cringes! In the same way, Basel people may have changed their pronunciation of Euler, for instance under "foreign" influence. This will make our investigation all the more difficult.
Another classic Golden Skate rabbit hole for us all to go down!
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I think that perhaps rotation for women is more scrutinized by fan because most women have more or less the same jump content, not only in the SP but also in the LP... So in the end, it can be frustrating for some fans when calls are not consistently made.
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Often I think it's a case of "my favourite little moppet didn't win so I have to tear down their rivals".
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Eulers aren't even worth any points anymore, are they? So downgrading it has no bearing on the score at all.What was it downgraded to, a 0-loop?
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So the terminology "half-loop" is not quite appropriate, I suppose. Maybe that's why they changed the name. I mean, the whole point of the Euler is to get on the other foot to make +S and +F combos possible.
I do agree that it looks more like a step than a jump for most skaters. Patrick Chan was the first skater who, in my opinion, really had that deliberate step under technical and esthetic control -- up till then most pf the time it just looked like an awkward stumble.
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And we're off and running!
According to Wikipedia, the name of the jump comes from two Austrian brothers, Carl and Gustav Euler who won the same-sex men's pairs competition at the 1900 European championship. (Two more German-speakers who presumably didn't know how to pronounce their own name.)In Scandinavia it is called the Thoren after the Swedish skater Per Thoren who competed in the 1908 Olympics (bronze medal).That was my favorite Olympics. It was the Summer Olympics, but the figure skating part was held 6 months later. Sweden swept the podium when Ulrich Salchow's main rival Nikolai Panin withdrew because he knew the fix was in. But Panin did complete (and won) in special figures -- the only time that this discipline was contested at the Olympics.
Madge Syers won for the ladies and also took bronze with her partner in mixed pairs (there were only three entries).
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your favourite olympics ? gosh. you gotta tell us the secrets of your longevity.
In Scandinavia it is called the Thoren after the Swedish skater Per Thoren who competed in the 1908 Olympics (bronze medal).That was my favorite Olympics. It was the Summer Olympics, but the figure skating part was held 6 months later. Sweden swept the podium when Ulrich Salchow's main rival Nikolai Panin withdrew because he knew the fix was in. But Panin did complete (and won) in special figures -- the only time that this discipline was contested at the Olympics.
Madge Syers won for the ladies and also took bronze with her partner in mixed pairs (there were only three entries).
