Replay Lounge 2025 Skate Canada

[DizzyFrenchie]

According to Wikipedia, the name of the jump comes from two Austrian brothers, Carl and Gustav Euler who won the same-sex men's pairs competition at the 1900 European championship. (Two more German-speakers who presumably didn't know how to pronounce their own name.)

In Scandinavia it is called the Thoren after the Swedish skater Per Thoren who competed in the 1908 Olympics (bronze medal).That was my favorite Olympics. It was the Summer Olympics, but the figure skating part was held 6 months later. Sweden swept the podium when Ulrich Salchow's main rival Nikolai Panin withdrew because he knew the fix was in. But Panin did complete (and won) in special figures -- the only time that this discipline was contested at the Olympics.

Madge Syers won for the ladies and also took bronze with her partner in mixed pairs (there were only three entries).

Now, Austrian accents are another matter... Do you know where they were from, and if they had a more Viennese education or not? This may have affected their pronunciation of their own name. Naming the jump Thorén would be a possible alternative to avoid this problem. Do you know how they pronounce Thorén?

 

[Mathman]

Now, Austrian accents are another matter... Do you know where they were from, and if they had a more Viennese education or not?

I would imagine that the diphthong eu is pronounced similarly in all Germanic dialects? Some form of "OY" (but don't say is as two distinct sounds O -EEE as English speakers do). When I visited Germany I had a hard time with currency exchange because I did not know how to pronounce "Euro" (Oy-ro).

I wonder what Sigmund Frood would make of all this?

 

[Magill]

Having read all this, I think I vote for a half-loop

 

[Isk]

Like you, I appreciate a good Euler combination. Dick Button called them "half-loops" and I always feel vaguely disloyal when I use the proper term.

And, like you and Mr Button, I want to see them resemble "skipping a stone across a pond."

I once saw a protocol that included an UR Euler. Don't see that every day. Well, you don't see it called, at any rate.

I think a good Euler doesn't look like skipping a stone across a pond. The person doesn't loose axis and the jump looks fully rotated and effortless. Bad ones look like the person is jumping over a puddle and the jump is often UR but not always called. Compare this Euler: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d8Y9HiQB5Fo&t=163 and this Euler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNSyvDLsV8&t=52

 

[Isk]

Mind you, he was from Basel, a Bernoulli friend, we'd need to investigate first, to determine how he'd likely pronounce his own name!

Basel German - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And let's not rely only on today's renditions: Strasburg people have always pronounced Broglie as it's written (in French pronunciation), more or less bro' - glee (with a contemporary French r), instead of how the surname Broglie ought to be pronounced: Breuil; Br with a French r, u like in put, y. So, a main place in Strasbourg being Place Broglie (and its unmissable bookstore Librairie Broglie) it is traditionally pronounced Place Bro' - glee. It's the proper pronunciation of the place, diverging from the proper pronunciation of the surname for historical reasons. It's now been 15-20 years that Strasbourg people have started to pronounce Br - u -y as in the surname Broglie! Even the tramway announcements are this way! It cringes! In the same way, Basel people may have changed their pronunciation of Euler, for instance under "foreign" influence. This will make our investigation all the more difficult.

In Russian they pronounce Leonhard Euler "Leonard Eiler", but the jump Euler is "Oiler".

 

[TontoK]

I think a good Euler doesn't look like skipping a stone across a pond. The person doesn't loose axis and the jump looks fully rotated and effortless. Bad ones look like the person is jumping over a puddle and the jump is often UR but not always called. Compare this Euler: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d8Y9HiQB5Fo&t=163 and this Euler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNSyvDLsV8&t=52

I'll stick with Dick Button's description.

But credit to you for providing the exact examples that I think showcase a good and a poor Euler combination.

Isabeau Levito, for example, has a horrendous Euler. It loses flow/momentum entering the Euler, and I think it does resemble "jumping over a puddle." She's not alone in this technique; I just pulled her out of the pile because I think it's a flaw in an otherwise lovely skater.

 

[skatingguy]

I think a good Euler doesn't look like skipping a stone across a pond. The person doesn't loose axis and the jump looks fully rotated and effortless. Bad ones look like the person is jumping over a puddle and the jump is often UR but not always called. Compare this Euler: http://youtube.com/watch?v=d8Y9HiQB5Fo&t=163 and this Euler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNSyvDLsV8&t=52

Euler's are only called clean, or downgraded - there's no under-rotation call - I hope I'm not being pedantic with this explanation.