Alena Kostornaia

[Scott512]

So Eteri claims that Aliona gave her “a Whole list of non grata girls.” In the same Instagram quote she also unceremoniously threw former students Julia and Zhenya under the bus for good measure. I’m still gasping at the level of shade...Forgive me if I give young Aliona the benefit of the doubt here.

You know Yulia has recently had a baby why throw her under the bus?

Do we expect EGs daughter Diania will never change coaches again? Would she like it if that coach went public with negative commentts about Diana? I would think not Someone from the fed needs to sit down with EG and tell her not to be harsh to her former students.

But in the end Aliona has a new start and we all underestimated how much young Sergei means 2 TTs skaters. The biggest mistake EG made was letting him get away without giving him more money and more responsibility. Look what it led to! It seems like a panic move for me for aliona to do this nowvbecause everyone lost their jumps not skating for 3 or 4 months. If it became mantle with her like I can't fix this with this team but that would have been a real problem. Alena brings so much to the ice. I wish her well.

By the way once she does start to get endorsements I think she will hang around and perform competitively into her early 20s. Being a doctor can wait.

 

[Scott512]

Like I said in a previous post I don’t think that part of the story adds up. How would she have time to create a list in May when they weren’t even on the ice until the very very final days of May? If Eteri is framing this as having occurred before the transfer window closed that means that Aliona showed up and gave a list in what, two or three days of being back in Novgorosk? And then Eteri says, well she started acting strange mid-July. But if the transfer was already complete, then why would she start off news of the split by saying this behavior started a month and a half after they would’ve known internally?

I also doubt the endorsements being reason enough. Aliona hasn’t gotten any, but why? I think it may have to do with her declared departure of the sport, you cannot make a face of an athlete who will not be competing after the most momentous competition of their career. Further, why would Sasha and Anya and Alina get adidas, Nike, and Puma deals and Aliona get nothing? It makes no sense. Eteri and Sambo-70 get a split of earnings contractually so her blocking endorsements for her most successful senior would financially make no sense.

I still haven’t been able to find a translation of Daniil’s IGTV video, so if anyone finds one, I’d be super appreciative if you linked it here

It doesn't add up. None of this does which is why it's so shocking.

There's a good chance the next Winter Olympics will be postponed to you over to if this pandemic does not get better so aliona will be around longer than she thinks which is good for us. Sponsorships will come she may be waiting for the right offers.

I can't make out what Danil said in that video but from what I've heard he was more kind and gentle than EG was.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

You know you have recently had a baby why throw her under the bus?

But in the end Aliona has a new start and we all underestimated how much young Sergei means 2 TTs skaters. The biggest mistake EG made was letting him get away without giving him more money and more responsibility. Look what it led to! It seems like a panic move for me for aliona to do this nowvbecause everyone lost their jumps not skating for 3 or 4 months. If it became mantle with her like I can't fix this with this team but that would have been a real problem. Alena brings so much to the ice. I wish her well.

By the way once she does start to get endorsements I think she will hang around and perform competitively into her early 20s. Being a doctor can wait.

Not we all. I, among very few here, have always said Rozanov was important, and most posters laughed at me at the time (not long ago).

 

[nussnacker]

The part about the list isn’t to be taken literally. If people in Russia say “a whole list” it usually means naming something in some quantity more than 1, tbh, not meaning an actual list on a piece of paper. It’s just a common phrase in Russian.

 

[sclloyd]

https://youtu.be/Io_r7HWvO14

Thank you! Of course I should’ve looked to this channel, they somehow always have everything.

I knew the summary of the interview but I wanted to hear the words and phrasing Daniil used. It’s interesting to me he says that he thought Aliona was reacting from emotional anger from being in the transitional age. He seems definitely emotional for her leaving, I think he is very proud of his programs and it probably hurt him to think that Aliona didn’t like them, even if outwardly such seemed the case.

Nonetheless given his reaction, I’m still going to go back to Eteri. He says she showed up and stopped performing the given tasks, and then was fine, and then declared her departure. I don’t know why this feels like it was really a very isolated and personal event that happened at Novgorosk, but that’s what my intuition says.

If she wanted to work with Rozanov, then like I said when commenting on Sasha’s transfer, I would’ve expected her to go then. I’m sure he made it easy to pick where she wanted to transition to, but I still don’t have the confidence to say it is strictly Rozanov...? I don’t know. It’s a very confusing situation.

 

[sparklestan]

Good luck to Alena with this new coaching team, I wish her nothing but the best!!! :agree:

 

[Fried]

Thank you! Of course I should’ve looked to this channel, they somehow always have everything.

Yes, that's why I check it out regularly. But somehow I don't like this channel. I can't say exactly why.

 

[bouncy]

I don't check her instagram very often but it seems like she recently(?) disabled the comments...?
Well, I'm glad she did so. I hope she's getting back to regular training soon and not being affected by ppl's words.

 

[fabienne1996]

I don't check her instagram very often but it seems like she recently(?) disabled the comments...?
Well, I'm glad she did so. I hope she's getting back to regular training soon and not being affected by ppl's words.

Smart decision of her . She doesnt need to read all the hate that comes her way

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[Scott512]

I don't check her instagram very often but it seems like she recently(?) disabled the comments...?
Well, I'm glad she did so. I hope she's getting back to regular training soon and not being affected by ppl's words.

People are shocked at what Aliona did at this time in the off season. Some people are upset at her decision but I assure you no one hates this girl. She is after all the most beautiful skater in the world and a real charmer as well. She is the evil angel.

As for skating I'm sure Alenas jumps will come back and she maybe help mentally by having young Sergei working with her. I'm pretty sure every figure skater who did not skate for about 4 months lost their jumps and is having to work hard to get them back.

 

[bouncy]

People are shocked at what Aliona did at this time in the off season. Some people are upset at her decision but I assure you no one hates this girl. She is after all the most beautiful skater in the world and a real charmer as well. She is the evil angel.

As for skating I'm sure Alenas jumps will come back and she maybe help mentally by having young Sergei working with her. I'm pretty sure every figure skater who did not skate for about 4 months lost their jumps and is having to work hard to get them back.

Yes, very well-said:agree:
Social media can be quite overwhelming and FS world definitely needs more positivity and fans like you!:agree2:

 

[Scott512]

Yes, very well-said:agree:
Social media can be quite overwhelming and FS world definitely needs more positivity and fans like you!:agree2:

Thanks. We need Aliona smiling next season whatever the season is. If she's more confident that she can recover her jumps with Rozanov then she will be back as good or better in the future when she was this season and she was magnificent.

 

[sclloyd]

Thanks. We need Aliona smiling next season whatever the season is. If she's more confident that she can recover her jumps with Rozanov then she will be back as good or better in the future when she was this season and she was magnificent.

I’m confused about all of this conversation about getting her jumps back. She said she’d recovered everything except the 3A. Where is the implication that all of her jumps are struggling coming from?

 

[LuffyJackson]

I think it's better for Aliona to wait until the hype dies down a bit before giving any reply, after all the way ET threw her under the bus publicly must have hurt her. I can see why she refused to give interview and closing her instagram's comments section.

I want to see her smiling laughing on the ice again and just forget all of this mess, maybe even pretend it never happened i just can't bear to see the relationships she had build with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that.

#ISupportAlionaKostornaia

 

[patee]

I think it's better for Aliona to wait until the hype dies down a bit before giving any reply, after all the way ET threw her under the bus publicly must have hurt her. I can see why she refused to give interview and closing her instagram's comments section.

I want to see her smiling laughing on the ice again and just forget all of this mess, maybe even pretend it never happened

i just can't bear to see the relationships she had build with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that

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#ISupportAlionaKostornaia

OK, I don't know how to put it in a decent way in her fan fest, but I'll try. I have posted here a couple of times, so judging from my posts, I don't think I can be accused of not being a true Aliona fan. She is my second fav skater and I can only highly speak about her (as always have here and anywhere else before). But now as I have expressed in my previous post, I'm very, very sad and disappointed. I just can't agree with her decision especially with the way she left TT. So when you say you can't bear to see the relationships she had built with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that you should think about who is responsible for that in the first place??? And it drives me crazy when I read for the umpteenth time how ET threw her under the bus. Wait, who was really hurt in this story??? You can tell from DG's face how much he is hurt and disappointed by Aliona's inexplicable decision, so you can imagine how much EG must be heartbroken... And now don't come with the children-adult argument, because a 16 almost 17-year-old person is not a child anymore. He/she is responsible for their behaviour and acts. Especially in the world of competetive sport! If they are eligible to compete in the seniors field, they must be mature enough to be able to assess the consequences of their decisions. Of course, I still want and wish Aliona the best, but I feel she fell for the Siren's call and she has become a puppet of a bigger and very dark game between big powers. I can only hope it won't destroy her... :sad21:

 

[fabienne1996]

OK, I don't know how to put it in a decent way in her fan fest, but I'll try. I have posted here a couple of times, so judging from my posts, I don't think I can be accused of not being a true Aliona fan. She is my second fav skater and I can only highly speak about her (as always have here and anywhere else before). But now as I have expressed in my previous post, I'm very, very sad and disappointed. I just can't agree with her decision especially with the way she left TT. So when you say you can't bear to see the relationships she had built with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that you should think about who is responsible for that in the first place??? And it drives me crazy when I read for the umpteenth time how ET threw her under the bus. Wait, who was really hurt in this story??? You can tell from DG's face how much he is hurt and disappointed by Aliona's inexplicable decision, so you can imagine how much EG must be heartbroken... And now don't come with the children-adult argument, because a 16 almost 17-year-old person is not a child anymore. He/she is responsible for their behaviour and acts. Especially in the world of competetive sport! If they are eligible to compete in the seniors field, they must be mature enough to be able to assess the consequences of their decisions. Of course, I still want and wish Aliona the best, but I feel she fell for the Siren's call and she has become a puppet of a bigger and very dark game between big powers. I can only hope it won't destroy her... :sad21:

thing is we actually dont even know what really happened because there are like 2 opposite versions. Why dissapointed because alyona decided to do what she and her family thinks is best? Going to the one person who actually is responsible for her gorgeous 3a from last season? Because she dared to leave eteri? . Why exactly should alyona stay there knwoing since may she is leaving learning 2 new programms which would be a waste of time when she knew she was leaving and would not be taking the programms with her? So eteri saying that alyona decided it in may doesn't even make sense like at all. . If i were to guess i would say that mabye she thought of leaving in may when sasha, veronika and most of all rozanov left but decided to give ita shot with her then team before deciding anything. And it looks like she didnt get her 3a back ,she said so in a interwiev a few weeks ago. So that could probably one huge reason she decided like 2 to 3 weeks ago and approached plushenko? the non grata person list also doesnt make such huge sense when she is going to plushenko knowing she will train with sasha. Or mabye something happenend between her and some of the others. Mabye they just dont get along anymore and mabye it put stress on her training with them? We actually dont know what happens behind the rings closed doors, so we can only speculate.

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[Fluture]

We have no idea how she left, we have no idea about her reasons. Aliona has been smart and classy enough to keep quiet for now. Once she feels ready, I‘m sure she‘ll tell us her thoughts. For now we have one side of the story. The side of coaches who have been, repeatedly, accusing students of being lazy, disloyal and ungrateful as soon as they decided to leave their tutelage. Over years. Coaches who have, once again, given us alleged reasons for Aliona‘s Departure (pun only a little bit intended lol) that do not add up. Who have aired private matters publicly, trying to make Aliona look bad and ruin her reputation. 16 and 17 year olds are capable of making their own decisions and they will and should feel the consequences. But the consequence for leaving your coach (or your job) should never be public humiliation. What is said in private, stays private. Once again: would anyone be okay with a former boss sharing what their former employee supposedly said about their colleagues on social media? No? Then why is it okay for a coach to do that to their 16 year old athlete? This crosses a line and we should not teach these young people to accept this kind of behavior. Just because they‘re athletes in the spotlight doesn‘t mean their lives are free to be exposed at anyone‘s whim.

A professional response would be to give a general statement along the lines of: “We have decided to stop cooperation due to differences in training philosophy. Of course we are sad but we would still like to wish good luck to Aliona.“ Everything that goes into more detail, is unprofessional and inappropriate. A coach sharing private conversations is inappropriate. A coach going on a social media rant on how hurt and sad they feel and how “hard it is to trust the children again“ is even more inappropriate. End of discussion.

I support Aliona and have my fingers crossed that everything will work out for her. Of course, I have my own thoughts and feelings about the coach she chose but what I try to remember is, that in the end, it is HER life and her life only. The only one who gets to decide is her. And thankfully so.

 

[dhjh811]

OK, I don't know how to put it in a decent way in her fan fest, but I'll try. I have posted here a couple of times, so judging from my posts, I don't think I can be accused of not being a true Aliona fan. She is my second fav skater and I can only highly speak about her (as always have here and anywhere else before). But now as I have expressed in my previous post, I'm very, very sad and disappointed. I just can't agree with her decision especially with the way she left TT. So when you say you can't bear to see the relationships she had built with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that you should think about who is responsible for that in the first place??? And it drives me crazy when I read for the umpteenth time how ET threw her under the bus. Wait, who was really hurt in this story??? You can tell from DG's face how much he is hurt and disappointed by Aliona's inexplicable decision, so you can imagine how much EG must be heartbroken... And now don't come with the children-adult argument, because a 16 almost 17-year-old person is not a child anymore. He/she is responsible for their behaviour and acts. Especially in the world of competetive sport! If they are eligible to compete in the seniors field, they must be mature enough to be able to assess the consequences of their decisions. Of course, I still want and wish Aliona the best, but I feel she fell for the Siren's call and she has become a puppet of a bigger and very dark game between big powers. I can only hope it won't destroy her... :sad21:

"disappointed" :sarcasm:

"16 almost 17-year old person is not a child anymore"

Well we have 46 year old Eteri Tutberidze acting like a child whenever one of her students wants to leave her. I don't get it, is no one around her telling her how inappropriate it is for her to be criticizing teenagers on social media? No matter how upset she is at the skater or what the skater did, it's highly immature for her to do that. Either you are too young to have an understanding of how mentally vulnerable these "16 almost 17-year-olds" are, and how inappropriate it is for an adult well into her 40s to be exposing private matters concerning teenagers publicly, OR you are another Eteri Tutberidze who justifies this behavior because Aliona made her so upset and Daniil was so "broken". :disapp:

Just how many times has this happened with Eteri? Forget the possibilities of how there may be real internal problems in that team, no matter what happened a responsible adult shouldn't be acting like her. What do people not understand about this? She throws ex-students under the bus, and it all does is create hate for them. That's all it does. Think about it for a minute- what exactly is her purpose for uploading these shady posts? Her and Daniil's story is tripping up all over itself, so they might want to take a break to logic it out.

 

[flanker]

"disappointed" :sarcasm:

"16 almost 17-year old person is not a child anymore"

Well we have 46 year old Eteri Tutberidze acting like a child whenever one of her students wants to leave her. I don't get it, is no one around her telling her how inappropriate it is for her to be criticizing teenagers on social media? No matter how upset she is at the kid or what the kid did, it's highly immature for her to do that. Either you are too young to have an understanding of how mentally vulnerable these "16 almost 17-year-olds" are, and how inappropriate it is for an adult well into her 40s to be exposing private matters concerning teenagers publicly, OR you are another Eteri Tutberidze who justifies this behavior because Aliona made her so upset and Daniil was so "broken". :disapp:

Just how many times has this happened with Eteri? Forget the possibilities of how there may be real internal problems in that team, no matter what happened a responsible adult shouldn't be acting like her. What do people not understand about this? She throws ex-students under the bus, and it all does it create hate for them. That's all it does. Think about it for a minute- what exactly is her purpose for uploading these shady posts?

Generally, 16-17 years old person is not a child, and shouldn't bee given the idea that everythig is allowed and forgiven before even committed. You can already work, you can even marry inmany countris (with the court permissin). It's exactly the attitude "they can't be ever called wrong or responsible for anything" I absolutely disagree with. I am very glad the world didn't treat me like that when I was "16 going on 17", as the song says. In the right time you have to change the attitude or the person stays a child forever. Which in reality brings no good at all. Learning responsibility for my actions as fast as possible is a right thing to do to me.

 

[dhjh811]

Generally, 16-17 years old person is not a child, and shouldn't bee given the idea that everythig is allowed and forgiven before even committed. It's exactly the attitude "they can't be ever called wrong or responsible for anything" I absolutely disagree with. I am very glad the world didn't treat me like that when I was "16 going on 17", as the song says. In the right time you have to change the attitude or the person stays a child forever. Which in reality brings no good at all. Learning responsibility for my actions as fast as possible is a right thing to do to me.

And how does her exposing her ex-students on social media help at all? I am assuming that you mean that the criticism against Aliona that the post creates will be how she assumes responsibility for her actions... If that's what you think and that's what Eteri thinks, that's very immature of Eteri and the very thing I'm saying - she uploads these posts solely to get her revenge with former students. For the people saying the fans have a right to know what happened, let me bring up an example. When Eteri went on her tirade against Zhenya 2 years ago she made sure to expose details that were not at all needed to understand her side of the story.

“There was this really childish phrase: ‘Couldn’t you have kept Alina in the juniors for one more year?’” Tutberidze said, according to an Associated Press translation. “I said … we have to give everyone the same chance.”

What is the POINT of this? Did this do anything other than send hate towards Evgenia? You may personally believe that 16-17 year olds are mature enough to be dealt with this kind of situation, but the law mandates them as underaged minors for a reason. I see many people defending Aliona specifically because of her age vs. Eteri's so the opinion opposite yours is a very popular one. I, for one, am glad that nobody treated me like this a few years back. Eteri continually takes out personal feelings against students on social media, and I can't think of another coach who has done that ever, let alone this many times in the past 5 years.

I hope Aliona finds herself happy in the new environment. I can't wait to see her at the test skates, if that's even going to happen.