Alena Kostornaia

[fabienne1996]

And how does her exposing her ex-students on social media help at all? I am assuming that you mean that the criticism against Aliona that the post creates will be how she assumes responsibility for her actions... If that's what you think and that's what Eteri thinks, that's very immature of Eteri and the very thing I'm saying - she uploads these posts solely to get her revenge with former students. For the people saying the fans have a right to know what happened, let me bring up an example. When Eteri went on her tirade against Zhenya 2 years ago she made sure to expose details that were not at all needed to understand her side of the story.

“There was this really childish phrase: ‘Couldn’t you have kept Alina in the juniors for one more year?’” Tutberidze said, according to an Associated Press translation. “I said … we have to give everyone the same chance.”

What is the POINT of this? Did this do anything other than send hate towards Evgenia? You may personally believe that 16-17 year olds are mature enough to be dealt with this kind of situation, but the law mandates them as underaged children for a reason. I see many people defending Aliona specifically because of her age vs. Eteri's so the opinion opposite yours is a very popular one. I, for one, am glad that nobody treated me like this a few years back. Eteri continually takes out personal feelings against students on social media, and I can't think of another coach who has done that ever, let alone this may times in the past 5 years.

I hope Aliona finds herself happy in the new environment. I can't wait to see her at the test skates, if that's even going to happen.

Most of all it wasnt just eteri beeing so overwhelmed by her feelings, as we know from daniils video they have known it for about 2 weeks. Insiders apparently go a eiff of it on last monday and were waiting when it would become official. So no it was not a snap decision of hers to post it , it looks more like she planned it. So not emotional but rather planned her post

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[Fluture]

Learning responsibility for my actions as fast as possible is a right thing to do to me.

And again, public humiliation should never be the consequence of the mere “action“ of changing one‘s coach/job. No matter the age. But this is exactly what‘s happened with all of these athletes as soon as they left. And it‘s not okay.

Even if they acted wrongly in training before - this is supposed be a private space! Issues should be handled directly, not by exposing the skaters’ faults to the media. What Aliona allegedly said to Eteri about her “list of girls non grata“ should NEVER even have reached the public because it‘s a private issue. Daniil says it‘s “hard to trust the children again“. Well, what about these teenagers then, who have to fear that every moment of jealousy or anger or weakness will be used against them the moment they leave? How are they supposed to trust? And yes, it wouldn‘t be okay for any age, no one should have to live under this kind of pressure. But the fact that these skaters are so young makes it even worse, as they are even more vulnerable. Yes, they are at an age where they learn to be more responsible. But they‘re still not adults, they‘re MINORS and deserve a certain kind of protection. Which is exactly why people put such an emphasis on the age of Aliona and the others.

So, Eteri revealing conversations, trying to paint teenagers in a bad light is plain unprofessional and inappropriate. And honestly? She should learn taking responsibility for THAT. But she never does and it goes on and on and repeats itself with every skater that dares to leave her.

 

[flanker]

And how does her exposing her ex-students on social media help at all? I am assuming that you mean that the criticism against Aliona that the post creates will be how she assumes responsibility for her actions... If that's what you think and that's what Eteri thinks, that's very immature of Eteri and the very thing I'm saying - she uploads these posts solely to get her revenge with former students. For the people saying the fans have a right to know what happened, let me bring up an example. When Eteri went on her tirade against Zhenya 2 years ago she made sure to expose details that were not at all needed to understand her side of the story.

“There was this really childish phrase: ‘Couldn’t you have kept Alina in the juniors for one more year?’” Tutberidze said, according to an Associated Press translation. “I said … we have to give everyone the same chance.”

What is the POINT of this? Did this do anything other than send hate towards Evgenia? You may personally believe that 16-17 year olds are mature enough to be dealt with this kind of situation, but the law mandates them as underaged minors for a reason. I see many people defending Aliona specifically because of her age vs. Eteri's so the opinion opposite yours is a very popular one. I, for one, am glad that nobody treated me like this a few years back. Eteri continually takes out personal feelings against students on social media, and I can't think of another coach who has done that ever, let alone this may times in the past 5 years.

I hope Aliona finds herself happy in the new environment. I can't wait to see her at the test skates, if that's even going to happen.

We are differing strongly in basic attitude to this. For me, if such things weren't said by skaters (I mean "leave Alina one more year in juniors" etc.), then of course Eteri has no right to lie. Though, in my point of view, if such things actually were said, she has full right to say how things happened and the thing that Aliona is 16 (and Zhenya was actually 18 already) doesn't change a thing on it to me. That is my attitude in everything, not just in figure skating. I admit that my experience with a school with very hard regime (when you deal with live ammunition and martial art techniques that can save your life there is not much space for discussion and democracy) had a strong impact on me and my view of life.

Though this probably doesn't belong to FF, so I'm sorry I've caused such discussion here.

 

[macy]

i have been mulling this over the last couple days trying to make sense of it, and i cannot. i think there is some truth in what Eteri and Plushenko have said, but i also think there are a lot of false accusations. not to mention Plushy already threw Aliona under the bus in regard to her old programs.

i hope Aliona keeps her head down and stays well off the internet and social media and just focuses on training. i do think had Rozanov not gone to Plushenko's team that neither Sasha, the Zhilinas nor Aliona would have moved.

all i can say is that all parties involved are not acting their age. once again, the only one who is is the youngest and most inexperienced of them all.

i truly wish Aliona the best, although part of me is afraid she jumped the gun. but then again, maybe something did happen in Novogorsk that nobody knows about.

 

[Manitou]

And again, public humiliation should never be the consequence of the mere “action“ of changing one‘s coach/job. No matter the age. But this is exactly what‘s happened with all of these athletes as soon as they left. And it‘s not okay.

Even if they acted wrongly in training before - this is supposed be a private space! Issues should be handled directly, not by exposing the skaters’ faults to the media. What Aliona allegedly said to Eteri about her “list of girls non grata“ should NEVER even have reached the public because it‘s a private issue. Daniil says it‘s “hard to trust the children again“. Well, what about these teenagers then, who have to fear that every moment of jealousy or anger or weakness will be used against them the moment they leave? How are they supposed to trust? And yes, it wouldn‘t be okay for any age, no one should have to live under this kind of pressure. But the fact that these skaters are so young makes it even worse, as they are even more vulnerable. Yes, they are at an age where they learn to be more responsible. But they‘re still not adults, they‘re MINORS and deserve a certain kind of protection. Which is exactly why people put such an emphasis on the age of Aliona and the others.

So, Eteri revealing conversations, trying to paint teenagers in a bad light is plain unprofessional and inappropriate. And honestly? She should learn taking responsibility for THAT. But she never does and it goes on and on and repeats itself with every skater that dares to leave her.

Absolutely yes! And this is not the first time Eteri did that. Her exposing private conversations with kids is simply disgusting and shows Eteri is emotionally immature and cannot be trusted as an educator or a mentor.

 

[macy]

Absolutely yes! And this is not the first time Eteri did that. Her exposing private conversations with kids is simply disgusting and shows Eteri is emotionally immature and cannot be trusted as an educator or a mentor.

totally agree with this.

i have loads of respect for what Eteri has accomplished and how she has created so many champions one after the next, but what she did here and in the past is unacceptable and she made a total a** of herself. she is a 40 something year old adult who acts out of emotion and publicly blasts basically every single one of her former students publicly to THOUSANDS of people. that is something i'd expect someone Aliona's age to do, not a full grown woman. and what about the example she is setting for her daughter, Diana, or even the rest of her young students who read and like her posts trashing children their age?

what did Zhenya or Yulia have to do with Aliona at all? literally nothing, and she was just so angry she felt it was needed to drag their names through the mud too and play the victim...students that have been gone for years at this point. i don't know why students leaving them always has to be a public debacle and a scandal of some sort.

why is it so difficult to just make a simple announcement that your collaboration with them has ended and you wish them the best instead of airing dirty laundry?

 

[Jeanie19]

Let's talk nice things now. I'm excited for new programs and I wish there was time for Lambiel to choreograph a program for her. And I want to see a picture with her bunny. If someone can upload one. I have a bunny and he is so funny.

 

[sclloyd]

We are differing strongly in basic attitude to this. For me, if such things weren't said by skaters (I mean "leave Alina one more year in juniors" etc.), then of course Eteri has no right to lie. Though, in my point of view, if such things actually were said, she has full right to say how things happened and the thing that Aliona is 16 (and Zhenya was actually 18 already) doesn't change a thing on it to me. That is my attitude in everything, not just in figure skating. I admit that my experience with a school with very hard regime (when you deal with live ammunition and martial art techniques that can save your life there is not much space for discussion and democracy) had a strong impact on me and my view of life.

Though this probably doesn't belong to FF, so I'm sorry I've caused such discussion here.

You aren't a psyghologist, and framing your response as just you been so hardened, and wow steely, my life has been at risk! doesn't make the argument you want. for one, you don't know the backgrounds of basically any of the posters here. secondly, sharing the internal workings of any organization is incredibly unprofessional. is 16 or 17 a mature age? sure. but Aliona is not the one airing laundry, here. it's two adults. Aliona has said nothing, so how is her response immature? we have no clue the conditions under which she left, so saying anything about the reasoning or speculating about how unprofessional her departure is has no place in the discourse. Eteri and Plushenko have completely opposing stories. so why do we trust that Aliona made a list? RusFed says that the transfer was never proposed in May so how can we say Aliona is unprofessional for getting new programs and then leaving? Why should Plushenko tell the world that Aliona hated her programs? Even if true that statement does nothing but make Aliona look bad, and hurts a coaching staff who has clearly contributed significantly to Aliona's career. Daniil is the only one who has said anything with any sort of dignity attached to it. It would be one thing to share a story: there was dissatisfaction with training philosophy, there were irreconcilable differences between students that could not be avoided by scheduling, etc. But airing things like "Zhenya wanted to keep Alina in juniors one more season" serves no purpose. For one, we have no idea the context. Upset people may speculate, may consider what ifs, may say things they don't mean or just grieve out loud, because they trust that those statements are understood by who they are telling as a matter of trust. When you break up with someone, do you share all the gory details with your instagram and facebook and twitter followers? No. We should expect that professional and working relationships are held to a higher standard. That starts with the leadership and coaching staff.

 

[SkateSkates]

There is speculation on Russian boards - let me emphasize this is 100% speculation - that Eteri threw her out, supposedly assuming she’d come back, and when she didn’t, she made the Instagram post and this was the first Plushenko heard of it.

Their arguments for this:
1. Inconsistent timelines for Eteri and Daniil’s stories
2. Plushenko’s slow response, and not the most tactful one at that.
3. No response from Aliona at all
4. Federation said it didn’t have papers (it always says this) but then in an interview an official said something along the lines of “we won’t let the European champion be thrown out on the street”
5. Continued from number 4, Logan said she will still have to represent sambo even if she changes coaches, and the council won’t vote on it until September.

This is clearly a much bigger mess than it needs to be, and would have been, if it was planned back in May. Now the transfer can’t officially even happen to Angels of Plushenko until next year. There were claims that the Trusov family wasn’t aware of her transition until Friday either, and apparently tomorrow Aliona will train on the same ice as Stasya and Volkov’s group, but under Rozanov.

Again, this is all speculation. You can find it in Aliona’s threads on the Russian forum f s o.

I don’t know what to believe - except that we definitely do not know the whole story. That’s for sure. I will be supporting Aliona no matter what and hope she feels all our support during this hard time.

 

[fabienne1996]

There is speculation on Russian boards - let me emphasize this is 100% speculation - that Eteri threw her out, supposedly assuming she’d come back, and when she didn’t, she made the Instagram post and this was the first Plushenko heard of it.

Their arguments for this:
1. Inconsistent timelines for Eteri and Daniil’s stories
2. Plushenko’s slow response, and not the most tactful one at that.
3. No response from Aliona at all
4. Federation said it didn’t have papers (it always says this) but then in an interview an official said something along the lines of “we won’t let the European champion be thrown out on the street”
5. Continued from number 4, Logan said she will still have to represent sambo even if she changes coaches, and the council won’t vote on it until September.

This is clearly a much bigger mess than it needs to be, and would have been, if it was planned back in May. Now the transfer can’t officially even happen to Angels of Plushenko until next year. There were claims that the Trusov family wasn’t aware of her transition until Friday either, and apparently tomorrow Aliona will train on the same ice as Stasya and Volkov’s group, but under Rozanov.

Again, this is all speculation. You can find it in Aliona’s threads on the Russian forum f s o.

I don’t know what to believe - except that we definitely do not know the whole story. That’s for sure. I will be supporting Aliona no matter what and hope she feels all our support during this hard time.

I would say if that would be true mabye not in the way described, mabye it was the way the speculations you explained her say up to the point where you said plushenko hadnt known about it until eteris post, i doubt plushenko would then say that alyona came to him and spoke only 2 weeks ago. Because lets be real why should he hide the truth ? I mean in that situation it would let eteri stand badly in the spotlight with how she lost a skater because she threw her out . If and thats a big if those specualtion have a grain of thruth in it i would only say the things with throwing her out and expecting her to come back, but not last week but like e weeks ago, which would then fit with the timeline of alyona approaching plushenko 2 weeks ago. But i may be sickenend by how eteri behaves when someone leaves her but i doubt she would be sorry dumb enough to literally throw out her skater who out of all her senior skaters had the best season last season. I seriouly doubt that she would do that but at this point nothing would be surprising anymore with that team. An well she had once booted out alina and if i heard correctly anna at one point in the past too.?

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[flanker]

You aren't a psyghologist, and framing your response as just you been so hardened, and wow steely, my life has been at risk! doesn't make the argument you want. for one, you don't know the backgrounds of basically any of the posters here. secondly, sharing the internal workings of any organization is incredibly unprofessional. is 16 or 17 a mature age? sure. but Aliona is not the one airing laundry, here. it's two adults. Aliona has said nothing, so how is her response immature? we have no clue the conditions under which she left, so saying anything about the reasoning or speculating about how unprofessional her departure is has no place in the discourse. Eteri and Plushenko have completely opposing stories. so why do we trust that Aliona made a list? RusFed says that the transfer was never proposed in May so how can we say Aliona is unprofessional for getting new programs and then leaving? Why should Plushenko tell the world that Aliona hated her programs? Even if true that statement does nothing but make Aliona look bad, and hurts a coaching staff who has clearly contributed significantly to Aliona's career. Daniil is the only one who has said anything with any sort of dignity attached to it. It would be one thing to share a story: there was dissatisfaction with training philosophy, there were irreconcilable differences between students that could not be avoided by scheduling, etc. But airing things like "Zhenya wanted to keep Alina in juniors one more season" serves no purpose. For one, we have no idea the context. Upset people may speculate, may consider what ifs, may say things they don't mean or just grieve out loud, because they trust that those statements are understood by who they are telling as a matter of trust. When you break up with someone, do you share all the gory details with your instagram and facebook and twitter followers? No. We should expect that professional and working relationships are held to a higher standard. That starts with the leadership and coaching staff.

I said I don't want to take such conversation here. But if you insist, I will just repeat in other words: There are only two options. Either Eteri doesn't speak the truth or she does. If she doesn't, than probably Aliona will say I didn't have any such demands. Or she speaks the truth. And in that case the age is no reason for me she should keep silent about it.

 

[patee]

There is speculation on Russian boards - let me emphasize this is 100% speculation - that

Eteri threw her out, supposedly assuming she’d come back

, and when she didn’t, she made the Instagram post and this was the first Plushenko heard of it.

Their arguments for this:
1. Inconsistent timelines for Eteri and Daniil’s stories
2. Plushenko’s slow response, and not the most tactful one at that.
3. No response from Aliona at all
4. Federation said it didn’t have papers (it always says this) but then in an interview an official said something along the lines of “we won’t let the European champion be thrown out on the street”
5. Continued from number 4, Logan said she will still have to represent sambo even if she changes coaches, and the council won’t vote on it until September.

This is clearly a much bigger mess than it needs to be, and would have been, if it was planned back in May. Now the transfer can’t officially even happen to Angels of Plushenko until next year. There were claims that the Trusov family wasn’t aware of her transition until Friday either, and apparently tomorrow Aliona will train on the same ice as Stasya and Volkov’s group, but under Rozanov.

Again, this is all speculation. You can find it in Aliona’s threads on the Russian forum f s o.

I don’t know what to believe - except that we definitely do not know the whole story. That’s for sure. I will be supporting Aliona no matter what and hope she feels all our support during this hard time.

Why??? That is the always recurring question. There hadn't been any sign of tension between Aliona and EG or Aliona being dissatisfied with TT. She'd herself expressed her positive feelings about her new programs just a couple of weeks before EG's Insta announcement. And if it's true that the Trusov family weren't aware of Aliona's transition, well, they can't be honestly happy about it I guess, which might (or will) be a reason for conflict in the (near) future...

 

[flanker]

Why??? That is the always recurring question. There hadn't been any sign of tension between Aliona and EG or Aliona being dissatisfied with TT. She'd herself expressed her positive feelings about her new programs just a couple of weeks before EG's Insta announcement. And if it's true that the Trusov family weren't aware of Aliona's transition, well, they can't be honestly happy about it I guess, which might (or will) be a reason for conflict in the (near) future...

We say, "man didn't develop the speech to understand with others, man just need to spill his guts". That's how gossips come to light

 

[SkateSkates]

I just communicated what I’ve been reading. This is not necessarily my opinion.

In my personal opinion, there is a little bit of truth to what’s being said On all sides and what’s not being said (Reading between the lines). Like i stated above, the only thing I know for sure is we don’t know the full story.

And Flanker - I think Aliona might just want to be silent to try to have the news cycle move on. Yes, she can come out and say her side, to which there will be quotes from every Russian coach/former competitor/ federation official etc commenting on her comments. Maybe she just wants this to be over and train in peace. But maybe she also wants to say her side. We will see, but there are arguments either way. She is not very active on social media so it wouldn’t surprise me if she doesn’t make a statement. If she does it wouldn’t surprise me too. Either way, whatever decision she makes is the one she thinks is best for her. We don’t know how she’s feeling.

 

[Fluture]

And in that case the age is no reason for me she should keep silent about it.

You‘re right. Professionalism would be the main reason to not reveal private conversations. Professionals shouldn’t do that to anyone, no matter the age. Aliona being 16 does make the whole matter worse, however, as she is a minor.

She‘s in a position of power compared to her athletes who thus have virtually no way to defend themselves against the accusations. Even if they deny them, it will always be their word against that of their former coaches. We have a grown woman intentionally subjecting teenagers to severe online bullying because they dared to be bratty/demanding at times. I struggle to see how anyone could ever see this kind of behavior and be like: “Yes, yes this is adequate and appropriate.“

Let's talk nice things now. I'm excited for new programs and I wish there was time for Lambiel to choreograph a program for her. And I want to see a picture with her bunny. If someone can upload one. I have a bunny and he is so funny.

Aliona with a Lambiel program would be so interesting! I‘d like Shae-Lynn too but I realise this is not feasible for this season, she‘s already under a lot of pressure time wise. She‘s starting later than anyone else. I hope they‘re starting the choreography process soon and we‘ll get to see some snippets...and for her to get the 3A back. I‘m so worried about this season lol even though I realise that the best time to struggle with adapting to a new team is now.

I don‘t have a picture of Aliona with her bunny but I think she showed it in the live stream she did with Anna a while back. Surely, some of her fan accounts on instagram will have recordings.

 

[Yuna Luna]

We are differing strongly in basic attitude to this. For me, if such things weren't said by skaters (I mean "leave Alina one more year in juniors" etc.), then of course Eteri has no right to lie. Though, in my point of view, if such things actually were said, she has full right to say how things happened and the thing that Aliona is 16 (and Zhenya was actually 18 already) doesn't change a thing on it to me. That is my attitude in everything, not just in figure skating. I admit that my experience with a school with very hard regime (when you deal with live ammunition and martial art techniques that can save your life there is not much space for discussion and democracy) had a strong impact on me and my view of life.

Though this probably doesn't belong to FF, so I'm sorry I've caused such discussion here.

My protest is that Eteri's comment is directly harmful to Alena. It's practically an invitation for toxic internet fans to hate on her. I browsed around on social media a bit after the news broke, and some comments I read about Aliona were very upsetting.

I also would like to add something, regarding the age of responsibility debate, which is sometimes glossed over. At 16-17 years old, a person is not a child and indeed responsible for their actions. However, it's a well-documented fact that teenagers in general are at the most hormonal and emotionally turbulent stage of their lives. This doesn't mean that they're not old enough to know better, but it does mean that they might impulsively say or do things which they will afterwards regret.

And you're right, Eteri has a right to say what she wants, but revealing sensitive information in this case appears pointless and did much more harm than good. Based on Danii G's video the coaches don't even know why Alena left, so as far as they know, the information Eteri decided to reveal might not have any relevance to the reason of Alena's departure. So why share it? It comes across like an angry, mean-spirited gossip to make Alena look bad.

 

[McBibus]

I said I don't want to take such conversation here. But if you insist, I will just repeat in other words: There are only two options. Either Eteri doesn't speak the truth or she does. If she doesn't, than probably Aliona will say I didn't have any such demands. Or she speaks the truth. And in that case the age is no reason for me she should keep silent about it.

As if the truth would be so easy to identify.
How much of the truth has been said?
How edulcarated it has been?
Are there some omissis?

Lawyers rarely lie.
They just carefully say part of the truth.
There are facts and there is the truth (even in full honesty one for each person telling the story)

Take the list for example and let's assume it is true that Aliona requested (most probably in a talk) not to share the ice with someone.
"A list" can range from 1 to half of the academy.
Technically a list is more than one, but why should I say "another skater" when a could say a list and let the speculation run wild?

There are at least two questions that are more important that how long was the list and who was in it.

1) Why did Aliona make a list of persona non grata? What was happening in the team? who is responsible of keeping the academy a safe work environment from everybody?
My reply is both staff and Skaters, with the person in charge coming first and the top skaters (Alina, Aliona, Anna) coming second... and no: Fedotov is not accountable on that

2) has the list anything to do with Aliona leaving? becasue if it's not, true or not, it's just trash talking

Anyway: what Julia and Zenya had to to with this mess?
As of Plushenko words are silver but silence is gold.

Plushenko is a skating legend and Eteri is the most effective female coach of the last 5 years who made sambo70 the paragon for any skatin academy.
I would expect them to act in a professional way not like drama queens in a soap opera.

 

[Fluture]

As of Plushenko words are silver but silence is gold.

Yes, Plushenko‘s actions are just as bad. He directly hurt Aliona with that comment about her disliking her programs as people now call her a “two-faced liar“ and whatnot. Did he not realise or care about that? It’s plain unprofessional to criticize another coaching team’s work so harshly. But if he absolutely had to do that - wasn’t it enough to express his own dislike of Daniil‘s choreography? Did he have to rub it in that “Aliona dislikes them too and told me so“? If it’s even true, it’s AGAIN, a private conversation that‘s been exposed to the public.

I realise I‘m ranting but it just makes me so sad/angry that these young people in the most difficult phase of their life/career have no one on their coaching team (old or new) they can trust with their feelings for fear they‘ll eventually be used against them.

 

[flanker]

My protest is that Eteri's comment is directly harmful to Alena. It's practically an invitation for toxic internet fans to hate on her. I browsed around on social media a bit after the news broke, and some comments I read about Aliona were very upsetting.

I also would like to add something, regarding the age of responsibility debate, which is sometimes glossed over. At 16-17 years old, a person is not a child and indeed responsible for their actions. However, it's a well-documented fact that teenagers in general are at the most hormonal and emotionally turbulent stage of their lives. This doesn't mean that they're not old enough to know better, but it does mean that they might impulsively say or do things which they will afterwards regret.

And you're right, Eteri has a right to say what she wants, but revealing sensitive information in this case appears pointless and did much more harm than good. Based on Danii G's video the coaches don't even know why Alena left, so as far as they know, the information Eteri decided to reveal might not have any relevance to the reason of Alena's departure. So why share it? It comes across like an angry, mean-spirited gossip to make Alena look bad.

This is probably the key of disagreement. One thing would be revealing something like what was said the way "Eteri, I have a personal problem and I would like to talk about it in private", that would not be related to general conditions in the team. Disclosing such things would be inappropriate to me, but that's not the case. Again, I'm not suggesting whether it is true or not, but this particular thing for me is not a thing that would deserved to be kept secret if happened, because this is the thing that affects anyone, not just Aliona, it will affect others in the team (it's actually happening already), it affects the whole russian ladies skating. From the perspective of other skaters in the team, "did there happen something that affects me, is there something I should avoid or the other way, did I cause something" etc. And in the case such as this it exceeds the borders of the team, it affects parents who can start to make hasty decisions and many other outcomes. For such case to me it's much better to speak openly than using some empty phrases about "creative disagreements" etc.

And as for the russian ladies skating as a whole, well, this can have very serious impact. I know there are many true fans of Aliona here, but just for a moment let's leve those "I wish Aliona all the best" ohrases aside and honestly admit on how thin (and dangerous) ice this shifted. It would be different if that would be usual transfer between established teams during the transfer window, but again, admit this is not the case at all.

 

[dhjh811]

You aren't a psyghologist, and framing your response as just you been so hardened, and wow steely, my life has been at risk! doesn't make the argument you want. for one, you don't know the backgrounds of basically any of the posters here. secondly, sharing the internal workings of any organization is incredibly unprofessional. is 16 or 17 a mature age? sure. but Aliona is not the one airing laundry, here. it's two adults. Aliona has said nothing, so how is her response immature? we have no clue the conditions under which she left, so saying anything about the reasoning or speculating about how unprofessional her departure is has no place in the discourse. Eteri and Plushenko have completely opposing stories. so why do we trust that Aliona made a list? RusFed says that the transfer was never proposed in May so how can we say Aliona is unprofessional for getting new programs and then leaving? Why should Plushenko tell the world that Aliona hated her programs? Even if true that statement does nothing but make Aliona look bad, and hurts a coaching staff who has clearly contributed significantly to Aliona's career. Daniil is the only one who has said anything with any sort of dignity attached to it. It would be one thing to share a story: there was dissatisfaction with training philosophy, there were irreconcilable differences between students that could not be avoided by scheduling, etc. But airing things like "Zhenya wanted to keep Alina in juniors one more season" serves no purpose. For one, we have no idea the context. Upset people may speculate, may consider what ifs, may say things they don't mean or just grieve out loud, because they trust that those statements are understood by who they are telling as a matter of trust. When you break up with someone, do you share all the gory details with your instagram and facebook and twitter followers? No. We should expect that professional and working relationships are held to a higher standard. That starts with the leadership and coaching staff.

Let's just let him think what he wants to. Every rebuttal to his views he counters with "Eteri has right to tell what happened, age doesn't matter". Okay, let's say age doesn't matter. Should Eteri be doing any of this with an adult? Even that would be inappropriate. He refuses to acknowledge that 16-17 year olds are not fully mentally developed and crazy hormonal. What do his experiences have anything to do with Aliona's? Well, I guess he admitted that his experiences bias his views. He says Eteri has the right to tell the truth and that the post makes Aliona assume responsibility for her actions. Yet, we don't even know the true story. He did not once justify the necessity of Eteri's decision to include Yulia and Zhenya in the recent post. He simply says that Eteri publicly announcing that Zhenya asked why Alina couldn't remain in juniors is well within her rights, but, again, never gives a reason for why that comment was necessary. Not once does he acknowledge that Eteri uploading shady posts throwing her students under the bus makes her an immature person. What other reason is there for Eteri to be including those unnecessary details other than to get back at her ex-students and generate hate? He claims that he doesn't want all blame to be taken off Aliona, yet it sure seems like he's putting all the blame on Aliona by defending Eteri on pretty much everything. No one here was questioning Eteri's legal rights to upload that post - we are saying what Eteri uploading those posts spells about her character. Yet he ignores all this and goes on about how Eteri has the right to tell the truth. According to his own logic, Aliona had every right to do whatever she wanted. Yet, he thinks her receiving criticism because of the post is ok because she would be assuming responsibility for possible reckless behavior. But for Eteri there is "no reason she should keep silent about it". Well, aren't her actions every time a star student leaves her reckless and reflecting poor character? I think it is clear who he is biased towards. Hopefully, he stops now.