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Alena Kostornaia

patee said:
OK, I don't know how to put it in a decent way in her fan fest, but I'll try. I have posted here a couple of times, so judging from my posts, I don't think I can be accused of not being a true Aliona fan. She is my second fav skater and I can only highly speak about her (as always have here and anywhere else before). But now as I have expressed in my previous post, I'm very, very sad and disappointed. I just can't agree with her decision especially with the way she left TT. So when you say you can't bear to see the relationships she had built with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that you should think about who is responsible for that in the first place??? And it drives me crazy when I read for the umpteenth time how ET threw her under the bus. Wait, who was really hurt in this story??? You can tell from DG's face how much he is hurt and disappointed by Aliona's inexplicable decision, so you can imagine how much EG must be heartbroken... And now don't come with the children-adult argument, because a 16 almost 17-year-old person is not a child anymore. He/she is responsible for their behaviour and acts. Especially in the world of competetive sport! If they are eligible to compete in the seniors field, they must be mature enough to be able to assess the consequences of their decisions. Of course, I still want and wish Aliona the best, but I feel she fell for the Siren's call and she has become a puppet of a bigger and very dark game between big powers. I can only hope it won't destroy her... :sad21:
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I wanted to politely argue, but it seems meaningless as we're gonna be arguing on the base of our own assumptions and i think we have a very different moral stand here as you're saying it is acceptable for Eteri for posting her slander on Aliona on her social media because of "hurt", so i would like to say i disagree and move on...

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when i say this
LuffyJackson said:
i just can't bear to see the relationships she had build with her peers in Sambo crumbles just like that.
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I have the perception of Aliona getting along with everybody in Sambo before the dreaded announcement or whatever incident Eteri insinuated in her post, whether or not it is the truth, that friendship will never be the same after that and I personally felt kinda sad. Disappointed? not really, but had everything handled professionally i think a friendly atmosphere (at least off ice) can actually remain.
 
So here's an interview from Plushenko with English translation, which seems to be much more professional. He directly refuses to discuss the personal conversations he had with Aliona. TAKE. NOTES. TUT. Anyways, salt about her treatment of Aliona aside, here is the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1TQbKsDxn8

If I'm understanding correctly, he says that Aliona liked the previous music and has ideas about programs, but that the programs will change. This sounds much more realistic and fair, because I don't think Aliona would have let Daniil post a video of a program she was not yet satisfied with but also contradicts the previous rumors that she didn't-- was that a Plushenko quote directly, or a rumor? I never saw the original source.

I'm also interested in what Plushenko has to say about splitting the girls up if necessary. This seems like a far more respectable approach-- of course you would hope that your skaters get along, but that he is willing to accommodate for the undue mental and emotional stress that may negate any positives that come from training with such an intense competitor must certainly make not only Kostornaia happy (if that she gave a list to Eteri is true) but also Trusova. There is not only that Aliona and TT are affected, but also Trusova, who seemed as though she was hoping to get away from the hyper-competitive environment. In this way, he seems to respect both of his athletes. WHAT A CONCEPT. Contrasting this and Daniil's statements with Eteri's only serves to make her seem more childish. Which is unfortunate because she is clearly a top-level coach.
 
SkateSkates said:
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This is clearly a much bigger mess than it needs to be, and would have been, if it was planned back in May. Now the transfer can’t officially even happen to Angels of Plushenko until next year. There were claims that the Trusov family wasn’t aware of her transition until Friday either, and apparently tomorrow Aliona will train on the same ice as Stasya and Volkov’s group, but under Rozanov.
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Is Aliona-still-representing-for Sambo-70-for-the-season news official now? if it is then Plush's timeline make the most sense, they had no contacts before the off season and only arranged things when the transfer window has passed (pushing early June) or even before the ISU award.

As for the Aliona being outed instead of left rumour, it would contradict strongly with Daniil's story, but make sense for the above possible timeline, maybe then Aliona's decision to go to Plush was Eteri's trigger for her IG post? because none of the press pick this up before her post.
 
flanker said:
This is probably the key of disagreement. One thing would be revealing something like what was said the way "Eteri, I have a personal problem and I would like to talk about it in private", that would not be related to general conditions in the team. Disclosing such things would be inappropriate to me, but that's not the case. Again, I'm not suggesting whether it is true or not, but this particular thing for me is not a thing that would deserved to be kept secret if happened, because this is the thing that affects anyone, not just Aliona, it will affect others in the team (it's actually happening already), it affects the whole russian ladies skating. From the perspective of other skaters in the team, "did there happen something that affects me, is there something I should avoid or the other way, did I cause something" etc. And in the case such as this it exceeds the borders of the team, it affects parents who can start to make hasty decisions and many other outcomes. For such case to me it's much better to speak openly than using some empty phrases about "creative disagreements" etc.

And as for the russian ladies skating as a whole, well, this can have very serious impact. I know there are many true fans of Aliona here, but just for a moment let's leve those "I wish Aliona all the best" ohrases aside and honestly admit on how thick (and dangerous) ice this shifted. It would be different if that would be usual transfer between established teams during the transfer window, but again, admit this is not the case at all.
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I sort of understand what you're saying but I don't really understand how that justification can outweigh the negative effect on Alena. You need to consider the influence Eteri has when she says things on social media. Furthermore, if Eteri is passionate about the issue and its effect on ladies' skating, then she could have easily raised the issue on social media without naming anyone in particular.

If Alena requested not to skate with certain people, then that's really immature, but to me it seems extreme to publicly shame a teen to your enormous amount of followers, making her a target on the internet. I don't think you're understanding how damaging that can be to the psychological state of a young person, and in my opinion the "punishment" does not at all fit the "crime." I'm a teen in high school myself and I'm feeling angry & upset on behalf of Alena!

Also, I find it an far-fetched claim that Eteri makes these public comments because she's standing up for equal treatment. Her pupils so far have had the privilege of her confidentiality as long as they remain on the team. If that's not the case, then why didn't we hear about Evgenia's "keeping Alina in juniors" comment until after she left the team, a while after the comment was made? Why didn't we hear about Alena's bratty demands until after she told Eteri she was leaving? Do you think Eteri would have publicly shamed Alena and Evgenia for those things if they had stayed on her team? No way!
 
Fluture said:
Yes, Plushenko‘s actions are just as bad.
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I don't know what got on is mind.
Eteri may be criticized but she's fighting for her work of a Life.
It's understandable.
She made such good work that her academy may have become to big to not spinoff in different realities.

Plushenko should just sit on the porch, sipping a cocktail and enjoying the gift that fell in in hands, thinking about how to make the best out of it.
He seems a bit too much in love with press and social media attention.
 
Yuna Luna said:
My protest is that Eteri's comment is directly harmful to Alena. It's practically an invitation for toxic internet fans to hate on her. I browsed around on social media a bit after the news broke, and some comments I read about Aliona were very upsetting.

I also would like to add something, regarding the age of responsibility debate, which is sometimes glossed over. At 16-17 years old, a person is not a child and indeed responsible for their actions. However, it's a well-documented fact that teenagers in general are at the most hormonal and emotionally turbulent stage of their lives. This doesn't mean that they're not old enough to know better, but it does mean that they might impulsively say or do things which they will afterwards regret.

And you're right, Eteri has a right to say what she wants, but revealing sensitive information in this case appears pointless and did much more harm than good. Based on Danii G's video the coaches don't even know why Alena left, so as far as they know, the information Eteri decided to reveal might not have any relevance to the reason of Alena's departure. So why share it? It comes across like an angry, mean-spirited gossip to make Alena look bad.
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i mean, that's exactly why she posted it. what other reason is there? and the fact she TAGGED Aliona in the picture speaks even louder. that woman was only looking to create drama where there could have been literally none. yet she CHOSE to write that post and share it to thousands of people across the world, knowing there are many out there who will believe anything she says. this is exactly what she wanted. i really hope her daughter and students know better. how embarrassing to have a bully as a mother.
 
Fluture said:
Where‘s that livestream originally from? I didn‘t find it on the angelsofplushenko site. :scratch2:

Also, I see she‘s training in Volkov‘s group as was said yesterday. But is Rozanov there, too? He better be or else I‘m worried.
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They deleted the livestream that is why you cannot find it.
 
Well my conspiracy about Plushenko only accepting blondes was right. Looks like Aliona not only cut her hair but maybe got some highlights too 😀
 
Fluture said:
Where‘s that livestream originally from? I didn‘t find it on the angelsofplushenko site. :scratch2:

Also, I see she‘s training in Volkov‘s group as was said yesterday. But is Rozanov there, too? He better be or else I‘m worried.
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I can't remember for sure where I heard this, but I remember someone mentioning that Alyona would skate at the same time as Volkov's group coached by Rozanov, while Sasha would skate during a different session with the implication being that they want to keep them apart.
 
Fluture said:
Yes, Plushenko‘s actions are just as bad. He directly hurt Aliona with that comment about her disliking her programs as people now call her a “two-faced liar“ and whatnot. Did he not realise or care about that? It’s plain unprofessional to criticize another coaching team’s work so harshly. But if he absolutely had to do that - wasn’t it enough to express his own dislike of Daniil‘s choreography? Did he have to rub it in that “Aliona dislikes them too and told me so“? If it’s even true, it’s AGAIN, a private conversation that‘s been exposed to the public.

I realise I‘m ranting but it just makes me so sad/angry that these young people in the most difficult phase of their life/career have no one on their coaching team (old or new) they can trust with their feelings for fear they‘ll eventually be used against them.
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Great point about plushenko. Not only did he say that about aliona but he also said she did not deserve the best newcomer award I find it odd that she would want to go to him while leaving a coach that made her great. The Plushenko promises must have been big. For me the bottom line is I want to see a Leona skate and smile like she does so wonderfully. For that to happen the Federation is going to have to bend some rules to get her skating and competitions for plushenko this season.
 
Scott512 said:
Great point about plushenko. Not only did he say that about aliona but he also said she did not deserve the best newcomer award I find it odd that she would want to go to him while leaving a coach that made her great. The Plushenko promises must have been big. For me the bottom line is I want to see a Leona skate and smile like she does so wonderfully. For that to happen the Federation is going to have to bend some rules to get her skating and competitions for plushenko this season.
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Talk is cheap and obviously it's more about hot Sergei. Both Aliona and Sasha are very smart and talented girls, they know which boss to follow. Let's wait and see.
 
vesperalvioletta said:
I can't remember for sure where I heard this, but I remember someone mentioning that Alyona would skate at the same time as Volkov's group coached by Rozanov, while Sasha would skate during a different session with the implication being that they want to keep them apart.
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Yes. But this does not necessarily imply it's a permanent arrangement. Plushenko/Rozanov already have two groups for ice training (younger and older), it's unlikely they'll permanently create a third group consisting of just Alyona.
 
Scott512 said:
Great point about plushenko. Not only did he say that about aliona but he also said she did not deserve the best newcomer award I find it odd that she would want to go to him while leaving a coach that made her great. The Plushenko promises must have been big. For me the bottom line is I want to see a Leona skate and smile like she does so wonderfully. For that to happen the Federation is going to have to bend some rules to get her skating and competitions for plushenko this season.
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His words about the award made me think that he would know nothing about Aliona joining at that moment.
I did not read any against Aliona in it. It was just trying to push his skater (Sasha).
That he did not find I way with words to do that without complimenting the winner at the same time was low class or poor PR
 
ali0125 said:
Talk is cheap and obviously it's more about hot Sergei. Both Aliona and Sasha are very smart and talented girls, they know which boss to follow. Let's wait and see.
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Hopefully it is Young Sergei. If he makes Alena feel more confident so be it.. No skating for months due to the pandemic may have cost her lose her triple axel and her confidence. If she thinks young Sergei can help her get everything back so be it. I hope it works. I just want to see her skating well and smiling again.
McBibus said:
His words about the award made me think that he would know nothing about Aliona joining at that moment.
I did not read any against Aliona in it. It was just trying to push his skater (Sasha).
That he did not find I way with words to do that without complimenting the winner at the same time was low class or poor PR
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It was very low class of Plushenko as you pointed out and that ticked me off. Aliona deserved that award. And his position as an icon of the sport and a legend in Russia plushenko should have said I wanted Sasha to win and I thought she should have won but Aliona was a deserving winner and had a great debut season. I don't know why all this drama and gossip happens with the Russian ladies the way it does not with the American ladies or Canadian ladies or Japanese ladies from what I know.

Hopefully coach Rozanov can help Alena regain her 3A and confidence and momentum.
 
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