Best Ladies' 3Lutz ever?

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Hmm I don't think it was a flutz either. She was on a clear outside edge but instead of deepening it at take off, it moves somewhat closer to the flat as the weight adjusts over to the picking foot but still on a shallow outside edge. Technically it is not a flutz but probably not the best lutz technique although the height, distance and flow is ++. I notice that Harding uses a very similar approach as well. I personally still prefer how Yuna Kim, Caro Kostner, Yebin Mok and Maria Butyrskaya actually held the outside edge all the way and deepening it even at take off - it leaves no room for doubt on flutzing. As the rules penalises ! or e, as long as the outside edge is visible at take off (even if shallow), it will be fine.

Agreed. It's not a severe flutz, but I think a tech specialist could arguably call it a ! (or say it was on a flat to give her benefit of the doubt).

 

[Raymond]

Ito had the greatest lutz? I totally disagree.
First of all, her edge was not a clear outside edge.
And her leg position in the air was not aesthetically pleasing.

 

[satine]

Ito had the greatest lutz? I totally disagree.
First of all, her edge was not a clear outside edge.
And her leg position in the air was not aesthetically pleasing.

As I posted in the jump technique thread, Midori's leg position has never bothered me. Hunched up shoulders do, as do a few others attributes.

 

[hurrah]

Perfect lutz!:

https://youtu.be/I5lTSlXLMaQ?t=70

I give that my vote as the perfect lutz ever. She did the classic lutz, landed it perfectly, and then zoomed right along the board. I love it!

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

As I posted in the jump technique thread, Midori's leg position has never bothered me. Hunched up shoulders do, as do a few others attributes.

Envisioning a skater with hunched shoulders and a vuvuzela wielding overly exuberant coach who celebrates every jump just for you

 

[satine]

Envisioning a skater with hunched shoulders and a vuvuzela wielding overly exuberant coach who celebrates every jump just for you

Oh, the humanity!!

 

[Raymond]

There could be many standards for deciding the best lutz jumper
like clear outside edge, ice coverage, height, air position, appropriate toe-picking, flow in and out, transitions, consistency, musicality...
but I've seen only one person whose lutz has them all. The Yu-Na Kim.

 

[koatcue]

The best lutz I've seen belongs to Liza (look at her second lutz in European fp 2015!) and then Yu-na

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

The best lutz I've seen belongs to Liza (look at her second lutz in European fp 2015!) and then Yu-na

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLcd9VrHbzE#t=6m10s Very very clean, and yes, an excellent lutz. I would still give the slight nod to Yu Na for the sheer ice coverage she gets on it, but Liza's is also extremely good. She'd probably be 4th on my list behind Harding, Kim, and Sebestyen.

 

[Sandpiper]

I'd say Yuna (especially her combos) due to the incredible ice coverage, soft landing, and perfect edge.

I love Liza's too. I think her solo lutz at 2015 Europeans was as high or higher than the men's. :shocked:

Under 6.0, probably Harding. I also loved Baiul's for the height (if only someone taught her better technique/control...) Ito had great height, but she doesn't deepen the edge as she picks in (I'm not sure if we should call it a flutz or even a !, since it's hard to tell if she outright rolls back onto a flat/inside edge... but it definitely wasn't the cleanest edge).

 

[Ophelia]

^While Liza's jumps are high, I think their absolute height might seem larger than actuality due to her short height.

 

[Jammers]

Gracie has gotten some crazy height on her 3lutz also. Just look at the height she got at Junior Worlds back in 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV3CUevgUyE

 

[Blades of Passion]

Gracie's jumps in her 2013 Nationals LP were at their best, that 3Lutz+3Toe was up among the best ever. Too bad they've become so much smaller under Frank Carroll.

 

[JayW]

Gracie's jumps in her 2013 Nationals LP were at their best, that 3Lutz+3Toe was up among the best ever. Too bad they've become so much smaller under Frank Carroll.

Totally agree! Those 3Lutz+3Toe were ginormous!

 

[OS]

I hope Gracie can get her powerpuff girl superpower 3lz3t back. Otherwise I can only rely on Liza and Pogo for my fav jump combo.

With the constant devaluation of the jump relative to the 3T and 3S, I don't think we will see any scale value increase until after PyeongChang 2018.

 

[begin]

Just to get a better sense of ice coverage:
Liza - not clean but you get the idea
Gracie - angle isn't great but it still looks HUGE

It's a shame Liza wasn't at 4cc because Korean fans have so many cool fancams. I hope they host more competitions just so we get more personal footage

 

[jenm]

Just to get a better sense of ice coverage:
Liza - not clean but you get the idea
Gracie - angle isn't great but it still looks HUGE

It's a shame Liza wasn't at 4cc because Korean fans have so many cool fancams. I hope they host more competitions just so we get more personal footage

Great comparison.
Gracie's Lutz is huuuuuge.

 

[Jammers]

I think Frank tried to reign in Gracie's speed and power because he thought she was too frantic a skater which she was back in 2012-13. Even with Frank reigning in her power she is still able to crank out huge 3lutz3toe occasionally such as in her LP in 2014 at Worlds. This one was the best one of the competition by far.

 

[koatcue]

I think Frank tried to reign in Gracie's speed and power because he thought she was too frantic a skater which she was back in 2012-13. Even with Frank reigning in her power she is still able to crank out huge 3lutz3toe occasionally such as in her LP in 2014 at Worlds. This one was the best one of the competition by far.

With Frank she became a complete skater, the whole package, but I miss her huge jumps now Control is good, but...

 

[euroskate]

Julia sebestien!!!