Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16

[Interspectator]

I think Chan is the best in transitions too.
Hanyu does much two-foot skating in LP.
Only difficult entry & exit into jumps are not transitions.

-They are though. Chan and Yuzu have different transitions, to say that Yuzu has very few transitions is just...not true.

 

[HanDomi]

difficult entries and exits from jumps are transitions, and Hanyu in this area is waaaay ahead of Patrick this season and actually everyone
he should be getting 10's for his transitions in SP

 

[Khoai]

I think Chan is the best in transitions too.
Hanyu does much two-foot skating in LP.
Only difficult entry & exit into jumps are not transitions.

Tell Mr. Chan to do difficult transitions directly before all of his jumps then we will have better comparisons.
Transitions before the jumps, especially tricky ones, are more difficult to master and execute well in competitions than linking steps just for nothing.
And should I count the time Mr. Chan uses crossovers as 2 foot skating? If so Mr. Chan has more two-foot skating than Mr. Hanyu.

 

[Khoai]

difficult entries and exits from jumps are transitions, and Hanyu in this area is waaaay ahead of Patrick this season and actually everyone
he should be getting 10's for his transitions in SP

10 is too much but clearly he should get highest score for TR. Mr. Hanyu also does just a few crossovers to gain speed.

 

[Interspectator]

I'd like to continue the discussion after the GPF, once we and the judges see Javi, Yuzu and Patrick as well as Shoma, Boyang and Dice all together.

 

[bara1968]

I'd like to continue the discussion after the GPF, once we and the judges see Javi, Yuzu and Patrick as well as Shoma, Boyang and Dice all together.

Yay!!!! GPF and Worlds are super exciting this year!!!!!! I have not been a fan of men's skating but becoming one - it is much more interesting and fun to watch than lady's nowadays!!!!!

 

[gkelly]

Just a reminder:

The criteria for Transitions are difficulty, variety, intricacy, and quality.

Entries and exits to jumps and other elements count. So do direct connections from one element to another. So do steps, nonlisted jumps, field moves, body movements, and other such highlight moves performed in isolation between elements.

Some skaters excel in some of those areas and are not quite as strong in others, and perhaps vice versa for a different skater.

I'd have to watch the programs closely again to make any meaningful comparison. Off the top of my head, what I most remember of Hanyu's freeskate at NHK was several spread eagles, and steps directly into a 3F(?).

 

[giulia95]

Hanyu has some turns before the 3F, but probably the most incredible transition is the one before the last 3A combo where turns are on the opposite direction compared to the 3A rotation, I don't know if I make sense...

 

[Anastasi14]

For me Chan's fp even with mistakes looks gorgeous, while Hanyu's impresses me only when he skates it clean. That's the difderence.

 

[Hanmgse]

For me Chan's fp even with mistakes looks gorgeous, while Hanyu's impresses me only when he skates it clean. That's the difderence.

that happens to me but in a opposite way. It's very interesting for me these different perceptions we all have. That's one of the things that make this sport very exciting in my opinion.

 

[xibsuarz]

I'd like to continue the discussion after the GPF, once we and the judges see Javi, Yuzu and Patrick as well as Shoma, Boyang and Dice all together.

ITA, I really want to see how the scores will go when they all compete in the same event.

 

[MaxSwagg]

In his SP, is something like:

1 Crossover
Mohawk
A bunch of edges
Bracket
Mohawk
3-turns
Mohawk
2 Crossovers
Bracket
3-turns
Spread eagle
Choctaw
3-turn
Mohawk

4S

Spread eagle
Loops
Turns
Loop
3-turn
Chassis
2 crossovers
Er...a bunch of steps and turns
Cross roll
Choctaws
Mohawk
Chassis

4T+3T

And then like no more crossovers at all after that.

Anyway, there's only like 7 crossovers in his entire short program. With that much content in the short program and 3 quads and two triple axels in the free, I think it's "fine". And no, it's not like his free program is lacking transitions or content either. :roll5:

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

It's been said before. Patrick, you can appreciate and understand his skating, but he's not exciting. He's just not. Yuzu is exciting and you can't understand his ability (you can't with most prodigies).

This is really a matter of opinion and programs. For example I'm not excited by Hanyu's SP (although his elements are exciting to watch) but I am excited by the attack and drive shown in his FS, due to the nature of the program and the character being portrayed.

Chan's FS I don't find as exciting as I found Four Seasons, but it's more interesting to watch, and the level of skating ability is (somehow) even more improved than a year or so ago.

And if we're talking about exciting in terms of ability to engage an audience, then it's hard to argue that Chan isn't exciting. A skater wouldn't consistently get such high marks for Performance if he wasn't an exciting skater. In your opinion, he isn't exciting, and that's fine. But the vast majority of the skating world disagrees.

Also, if we're talking transitions, both have them throughout their program. Hanyu has more within his elements, Chan has more transitions in between his elements - and more interesting transitions at that (IMO).

 

[noskates]

See, I totally disagree. The only thing I find exciting about Hanyu is his jumps. I love watching the smoothness and classical skating of Patrick. It IS a matter of opinion.

 

[Matilda]

there are very few transitions in Hanyu`s program which is not surprising with all the quads in there, his footwork is nowhere near as complex as chan.

Lolwut? :scratch3:

 

[chuckm]

This is really a matter of opinion and programs. For example I'm not excited by Hanyu's SP (although his elements are exciting to watch) but I am excited by the attack and drive shown in his FS, due to the nature of the program and the character being portrayed.

Chan's FS I don't find as exciting as I found Four Seasons, but it's more interesting to watch, and the level of skating ability is (somehow) even more improved than a year or so ago.

And if we're talking about exciting in terms of ability to engage an audience, then it's hard to argue that Chan isn't exciting. A skater wouldn't consistently get such high marks for Performance if he wasn't an exciting skater. In your opinion, he isn't exciting, and that's fine. But the vast majority of the skating world disagrees.

Also, if we're talking transitions, both have them throughout their program. Hanyu has more within his elements, Chan has more transitions in between his elements - and more interesting transitions at that (IMO).

Exciting and engaging are in the eyes and mind of the viewer/audience. Obviously, the Canadian audience/viewer found Chan more exciting and engaging, and the Japanese audience/viewer found Hanyu more exciting and engaging.

Personally, Hanyu has often moved me to the point of tears with his musicality, while Chan never has.

 

[Jombi]

Anyway, there's only like 7 crossovers in his entire short program.

Why am I counting more crossovers than 7? What am I doing wrong? :hopelessness: (still impressive though)

 

[mrrice]

Exciting and engaging are in the eyes and mind of the viewer/audience. Obviously, the Canadian audience/viewer found Chan more exciting and engaging, and the Japanese audience/viewer found Hanyu more exciting and engaging.

Personally, Hanyu has often moved me to the point of tears with his musicality, while Chan never has.

I would really like to be seated to next to someone who doesn't "Get" Patrick Chan. I am always baffled by people who think he's over marked. His basic skating is out of a text book. His posture is perfect, his edges are deep, He emotes better than 99% of the Male skaters I've seen live, and He is extremely musical. I say this as a professional vocalist. In fact, only Yagudin was a better performer over the years. Plushy, I can't explain. I tried not to like him but, he was just too good. I don't like to rank skater's but, Plushy was goooooood.

 

[liv]

This Canadian viewer certainly never found Chan more exciting and engaging than Yuzu. I much prefer Yuzu, although I respect the skill of Chan.

 

[mrrice]

This Canadian viewer certainly never found Chan more exciting and engaging than Yuzu. I much prefer Yuzu, although I respect the skill of Chan.

Really, have you seen Patrick skate live? I've never seen Hanyu live so maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention to him. I remember his 2014 SP and I loved it!! However, I liked Patrick's Take 5 Program better and it's one of my all time favorites.