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Chan v. Hanyu: 2015-16

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wookchub said:
Absolutely, he can still gain a few places in the free :) Just a shame for him that his bad day was the same as day as Yuzuru's 'Yuzuru' day.
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Well, I think Yuzu is now in a skating mood that everyday can be 'Yuzuru' day. But maybe this (and the adding of quads) is related to what happened in SC. I know everyone talks about Boyang, but imo Patrick's comeback brought even more motivation for Yuzu (if he ever needed more motivation :drama:)
 
Silvia451 said:
Well, I think Yuzu is now in a skating mood that everyday can be 'Yuzuru' day. But maybe this (and the adding of quads) is related to what happened in SC. I know everyone talks about Boyang, but imo Patrick's comeback brought even more motivation for Yuzu (if he ever needed more motivation :drama:)
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I completely agree! Boyang has the quads and we all know Yuzuru wants ALLLLL the quads too, but he's said himself how Patrick motivates him. He described him as the sun and that his light allowed Yuzu to see his shadow, or in other (less eloquent) words he encourages Yuzuru to work more on his own skills. It's certainly worked well for him
 
Hanyu almost seems like how Michael Jordan was back in the day. Despite being superior to every basketball player on the planet he always found something to push him even more which made him even more dominate. Just goes to show you champions don't relax even if they are only competing against themselves.
 
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chuckm said:
After the GPF SP, Chan is in 6th place, 40.34 points behind Hanyu, 20.91 points behind Fernandez, 16.34 points behind Jin, and 15.86 points behind Uno.
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Let's not. Chan had a really off day today and it's not fair to compare him to others.
 
Interspectator said:
-He had a Yuzu Skate Canada moment, but like at Canada, he can bring it back in the free...he could even go for a podium spot if he's perfect and the others aren't.
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Just read the icenetwork article. Poor Patrick, what a nightmare. Has anything like this ever happened to him before?
 
Are you Patrick's lifeguard, but I don't think he would care much about your surrounding.
chuckm said:
After the GPF SP, Chan is in 6th place, 40.34 points behind Hanyu, 20.91 points behind Fernandez, 16.34 points behind Jin, and 15.86 points behind Uno.
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i have been very busy this week and didn't realize that it was starting today.... so i get to this thread and haven't seen nor heard about the skate....

then i see your post...

it is one of the most condescending and negative post I have seen in a while... I am sorry but if you are a fan of figure skating you would have raved about YUZU's skate and score first... I do not mind that people will talk about Chan's low score... i was afraid of what had happened... then, I looked at the protocols... fine... he didn't feel right and tripled the quad... then he did okay accordingly to the GOE on his 3A.. which some of you say he cannot do... and then it seem like he did a good 3Z-3T... without thinking he was zayaking it.... so in my book... he did 2 out of 3 jump elements really well... and even the triple toe is not that bad IF zayak didn't exist ;).... i am wondering what happened with his spin, which cost him another 4 points or so... that is more worrying than the rest for me... was he really disturbed by realizing after the fact that he had just killed his lutz combo???? was he tired? is he sick?

but yeah... i come to this thread, not knowing that they even already skated and I see this reverse ranking, not as an attempt to praise those who skated well... but as a clear hate post... pouncing on someone who had a bad day at the rink... I am so sorry that you live your life like this chuckm.... this is saddening...

chuckm said:
After the GPF SP, Chan is in 6th place, 40.34 points behind Hanyu, 20.91 points behind Fernandez, 16.34 points behind Jin, and 15.86 points behind Uno.
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The reality is, Chan actually skated pretty well but made mistakes that the system nailed him for. Still did a 3A, still did a 3-3, unfortunately he Zayaked by turning a quad to a triple. Same problems that burned Hanyu at Skate Canada.

It's unfortunate that it had to happen here but these are the rules, and after tripling the 3T and seeing many skaters screwed over by it, he should done a 3Z+2T and picked up 8 more points. The spin was also a real uncharacteristic flub too (he usually has one of the best camel spins of the field). Otherwise he would have had about 82 points and still been in contention for bronze. He should hopefully move up (perhaps at least try to win or place 2nd in the FS for his own confidence). But if he skates like his SC freeskate he'll move up.

It's a big issue though that he's had multiple instances with invalidated jumps/elements in the SP.
 
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Why do people keep saying the Zayak rule is what got Patrick? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rule that invalidated Chan's 3Lutz/3Toe is not the same rule as the "Zayak" rule but rather rules made regarding the short program requirements. Repeating a jump element simply wasn't/isn't allowed for reasons not Zayak-related.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Why do people keep saying the Zayak rule is what got Patrick? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rule that invalidated Chan's 3Lutz/3Toe is not the same rule as the "Zayak" rule but rather rules made regarding the short program requirements. Repeating a jump element simply wasn't/isn't allowed for reasons not Zayak-related.
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I felt the same. "Zayak Rule" only states that only two types of triple or quadruple jumps may be attempted twice in a program, and if a type is repeated, one of the attempts must be in combination or in a sequence. But I don't know what the "no repeating the same jump element in the Short unless they are in a combination" rule is called :scratch2:
 
shyne said:
I felt the same. "Zayak Rule" only states that only two types of triple or quadruple jumps may be attempted twice in a program, and if a type is repeated, one of the attempts must be in combination or in a sequence. But I don't know what the "no repeating the same jump element in the Short unless they are in a combination" rule is called :scratch2:
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When it happened earlier this season with Yuzuru, I read people just said it was invalidated. If they gave a reason they would just add "for repeating a triple in two separate passes the SP" or some variation thereof. I guess saying Zayak would be easier, if not as accurate.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
When it happened earlier this season with Yuzuru, I read people just said it was invalidated. If they gave a reason they would just add "for repeating a triple in two separate passes the SP" or some variation thereof. I guess saying Zayak would be easier, if not as accurate.
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Yuzu repeated 2T in his Short, got no points on 2T and 3Lz-2T, so it's not just repeating a triple, maybe for repeating any jump in two separate passes? When was this rule first introduced? It seems skaters and commentators alike are not very familiar with this rule.
 
Oh yeah, I forgot the Yuzuru situation was a bit different. A solo double wouldn't count because the rule requires the solo jump be at least a triple. Then he added a 2T to have some sort of combination, but he was dinged for repeating a jump, which I believe was never allowed in the SP from when it was first created. It's funny how Yuzu got punished for repeating a jump that didn't even count due to the requirements.
 
I think Chan has better posture and slightly better skating skills, but everything else he has is inferior to Hanyu. 99.99% of all skaters have nothing better than Hanyu, so Chan shouldn't feel so bad.
 
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