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That's precisely why I think she'll start training it when her season is over. She wants to be competitive and she wants to win. I think the question is whether Brian will let her, but if she insists then I think he will.
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That's precisely why I think she'll start training it when her season is over. She wants to be competitive and she wants to win. I think the question is whether Brian will let her, but if she insists then I think he will.
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I don't know if I'm wrong on this either but I think NHK Trophy is definitely much more generous than Skate Canada, which is generally known to be pretty strict in grading, and especially to their home skaters. While Kihira seems to definitely be a threat to other top skaters this season and the NHK scores can't be ignored, I wouldn't say that they're the absolute best point of reference in comparison to Skate Canada. Granted, Rika was also clean today and got that score while we haven't seen a completely clean Zhenya (with no levels lost, all good landings/GOE, and completed choreo) so who knows how much Zhenya's FS score will go up. I really hope that next season's programs will be Averbukh or Shae Lynn Borne choreo because if so, I think she could do even more amazingly. I'm pretty worried about Russian Nationals (the scores the Eteri juniors got at Stage 4 were tremendous!!) though, so I really hope all the best luck to her.
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I believe the quad salchow is much more realistic than the triple axel, but then again who knows. I’d like to see her become very comfortable with her double axel however and maybe start adding more transitions into the jump.
Next season will be very, very, VERY tough on everyone in seniors right now. Are you guys ready for something absolutely absurd? Here’s my pipe dream layout for Zhenya next season (free skate)
4s+3t
4s
2a
3lz
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3lz+3lo
3f+2t+2lo
3f or 2a or 3sal or whatever gets the most points and works
Now that’s probably the biggest stretch of imagination, but not impossible. She has a long way to go to do a layout like that, including fixing the edge issue. However that’s why I said it’s a pipe dream!
Here’s my dream layout for Zhenya this season, and I promise it’s not as insane as I wrote above.
2a
3s
2a
3lz+2t+3t
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3f+3lo
3f+3t
3lz, 3sal, or again whatever works.
This layout is achievable but still very out of reach (right now at least). She’ll need to be consistent on the loop combo and if there’s two lutz - the edge issue will be a problem.
Alright, I’m going off to sleep because I am sure I’ve just written some nonsense here. Hopefully I will dream about something else other than potential layouts for skaters I like.
Speaking of dream layouts and all, I really hope we can see the 2A + 3lo combo sometime soon, cause on video it looked pretty awesome and it's not a combo we see much in ladies skating at all! If she somehow got a quad by next season, that would be phenomenal but I don't want to shoot my hopes up too high yet, although she seems to like to surprise us all the time. 
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Who thinks about fixing the rib on the Lutz? I think Zhenya has a strong inclination to the right side in the performance of Lutz. It's very hard to get the right edge.
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Maybe that has to do with her old style of jumping where she would use her arms more to jump? Hopefully as she gains more core and leg strength holding the edge will be easier for her and the right muscles will fire during her jumping passes. I know there is more to fixing the lutz but that was one thought.
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Yeah, I was thinking that too. I found this video from a lutz from 2016:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpqZJq5ns8K/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=cmoiacxcymur
It looks a bit different than how she usually jumps it. Not an outside edge necessarily as the poster claims but more that the entry is also different, she doesn‘t swing to the right side completely before take-off. I can‘t really explain it but to me this looks different from lots of her attempts, especially the ones in competition.
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it will definitely help her TES if she can get a -3Lo combo
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Speaking of her 2A3lo did we ever get the full TSN fluff piece on her from which that jump footage originated?
Her 2A is much improved but I feel like it’s still a little tight in competition vs. practice so we might not see the 3lo at IdF
Her 2A is much improved but I feel like it’s still a little tight in competition vs. practice so we might not see the 3lo at IdF
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I don‘t think we‘ll see a -3Lo combo at IdF either. They are pretty harsh on UR calls this season, especially on -3Lo combos and they aren‘t cutting Zhenya any slack anymore. She needs to be perfectly clean - which includes no URs and lost levels and no falls, step outs or stumbles. That‘s an incredibly tough task. Changing her layout again will only mess with her confidence and ability to do that. The only thing that desperately needs to be changed is the second lutz in the FS. I hope Brian and her are smart about this. She can‘t win against an even remotely clean Rika and NHK has shown us that we simply can‘t bank on Rika being inconsistent anymore. So she needs to be perfect and get a silver with a high enough score to win the tie-breaker. Zhenya is strong and a fighter, she can definitely do it. She just needs to be calm and take one element at a time. But she definitely has it in her. Her FS at SCI was Zhenya as we know her - with her old mistakes creeping back but also her spirit. Boy was she angry. Angry Zhenya is a competitive hurricane. I hope we‘ll see her again at IdF. She knows she needs to win, I don’t think second is even a possibility for her. I hope it doesn’t pressure her but rather enlightens her. Show us some fire, Zhenya!
I don't know what to think. Sure if Zenhya wants to go to the GPF, then she should stick to the ACI layout. But then, Zhenya should upgrade her layout this season at least with a 3Lo combo.
Next year she's going to need more than that: 4s and maybe given yesterday's competitions 3A, of course I know this is really difficult. But by next year at least she should be able to pull a 3Lo combo comfortably in competition, and the way to do it is to include it in this season programs.
So when would be the right time to do it? Surely no Russian Nationals, or worlds. If she makes the GPF she won't do it there, because she would have only one week of practice between competitions. Then we only have IdF and Europeans left.
If she had won in SC I think they surely would try to upgrade her layout in IdF. Now it's a little bit tricky. I don't think it's vital for her to be in the GPF this season, as her spot in the team is more or less secured. Last year she wasn't in the GPF and won an olympic silver medal, Gabby Daleman won a world bronze medal in 2017 and Pogorilaya in 2016 and they didn't qualify for the GPF. So risking a change of layout in next competiton isn't such a bad idea if that can help her in the second part of the season, even if the risk means she doesn't make it to the GPF. It would also mean arriving to Rus Nats with a more complex layout.
Of course this would depend on her ability to pull a 3lo combo right now (we don't know the state of her injuries) and what the Russian Federetion expects from her this year.
Next year she's going to need more than that: 4s and maybe given yesterday's competitions 3A, of course I know this is really difficult. But by next year at least she should be able to pull a 3Lo combo comfortably in competition, and the way to do it is to include it in this season programs.
So when would be the right time to do it? Surely no Russian Nationals, or worlds. If she makes the GPF she won't do it there, because she would have only one week of practice between competitions. Then we only have IdF and Europeans left.
If she had won in SC I think they surely would try to upgrade her layout in IdF. Now it's a little bit tricky. I don't think it's vital for her to be in the GPF this season, as her spot in the team is more or less secured. Last year she wasn't in the GPF and won an olympic silver medal, Gabby Daleman won a world bronze medal in 2017 and Pogorilaya in 2016 and they didn't qualify for the GPF. So risking a change of layout in next competiton isn't such a bad idea if that can help her in the second part of the season, even if the risk means she doesn't make it to the GPF. It would also mean arriving to Rus Nats with a more complex layout.
Of course this would depend on her ability to pull a 3lo combo right now (we don't know the state of her injuries) and what the Russian Federetion expects from her this year.
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I agree. I think SCI might become a seminal moment in her career. She's never skated with the first group before, and she's never had to come from behind like that, plus she did it all while entirely out of her comfort zone (new coach, new choreographer, etc). That experience will help her at IDF.
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I would do this, in France do an ACI type layout and hope you make it to the final. Then at the GP Final, do a loop combo. I think it's important for her to compete with that group in advance of Russian Nationals, Euros and Worlds and also be in that top 6. Let's be honest the chances of podium at the GP Final are not as clear cut as before. Use that time to experiment a little. She will have nothing to lose and who knows maybe it will be in her favor.
Then at least she would have two competitions before Russian Nationals. The more she competes the better for her.
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Well, the Zhenya that we know and love is such a fighter that I am sure she will come out blazing at IdF - I can't imagine her settling for anything less than the final.
The thing is, she doesn't really need to be on the podium at the final. Sure it ends her podium streak, but there will likely be 3 Russians there if she does make it, and that would solidify her place as Russia's number 3. If only Liza and Alina make the final, then there's chances for others to be seen as ahead / get sent to worlds if they perform well at nationals. But if Zhenya's in the final, that makes her an undisputable number 3, even if she places last.
That being said, I really hope Brian is being smart, because IdF is not the place to play around with layouts or mess with 2 triple lutzes. It is the place for her to make the GPF. He hasn't worked with a student in Zhenya's situation, where there is always someone ready to take your place. Hanyu, Yuna, Javier, Lil Bet, etc. - none of them had this issue. They all were at the top in their country regardless or could make the team regardless of a season of rebuilding. So I would not consider it as a loss if Zhenya went back to an "easier" layout (not that what she was doing last year was easy at all).
I want her to do this in the SP:
3F-3T
2A
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3Lo (if in the beginning of the second half, hopefully she will have the stamina not to UR it)
And in the free:
3Lz
2A
3F-2T-2T
2A
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3F-3T
3S-3T
3Lo (or switch the 3Lo with a 2A if needed for stamina reasons)
The thing is, she doesn't really need to be on the podium at the final. Sure it ends her podium streak, but there will likely be 3 Russians there if she does make it, and that would solidify her place as Russia's number 3. If only Liza and Alina make the final, then there's chances for others to be seen as ahead / get sent to worlds if they perform well at nationals. But if Zhenya's in the final, that makes her an undisputable number 3, even if she places last.
That being said, I really hope Brian is being smart, because IdF is not the place to play around with layouts or mess with 2 triple lutzes. It is the place for her to make the GPF. He hasn't worked with a student in Zhenya's situation, where there is always someone ready to take your place. Hanyu, Yuna, Javier, Lil Bet, etc. - none of them had this issue. They all were at the top in their country regardless or could make the team regardless of a season of rebuilding. So I would not consider it as a loss if Zhenya went back to an "easier" layout (not that what she was doing last year was easy at all).
I want her to do this in the SP:
3F-3T
2A
--
3Lo (if in the beginning of the second half, hopefully she will have the stamina not to UR it)
And in the free:
3Lz
2A
3F-2T-2T
2A
--
3F-3T
3S-3T
3Lo (or switch the 3Lo with a 2A if needed for stamina reasons)
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The bottle video is older, can be seen e. g. here with some others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S22dPgdSAI
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It seems crazy to me that some believe that Zhenya can't qualify for the final lmao. Even eliminating the 3ltz combo, she still has a much more complicated program than Satoko, Kaori and Elizaveta. Her chances of hitting 150 points are many if she skates clean and keeps at least 72 pcs. Most of the girls this season have only one 3-3 in the FS, Zhenya has 2, and also a 3-2-2 combo that is equivalent to another 3-3 in bv. Also remember that her 3F-3T in the second half of her SP has higher bv than a 3Lz-3T in the first half.
Even if she don't get gold, her chances of getting 214 or more are still very high.
The main thing is that she skate clean, this month she could have advanced a lot. This girl takes supernatural forces when the enviroment presses her, I would not condemn her so fast ...
Even if she don't get gold, her chances of getting 214 or more are still very high.
The main thing is that she skate clean, this month she could have advanced a lot. This girl takes supernatural forces when the enviroment presses her, I would not condemn her so fast ...
I believe Zhenya can qualify for the final if she skates clean with the ACl layout, I'm not worried by this. The only thing that worries me is when is the right time to upgrade her content, not to win or podium this season, but to be part of the world team the next one.
Of course, again, they know it better, and by no means I want her to upgrade her technical content if she isn't ready.
I just don’t want Zhenya to get ahead of herself and push her body when it’s not ready. She has said that Brian doesn’t want her training the 4s yet. Let’s hope she listens to him. The last thing she needs is another back injury or an injury in another part of her body.
I believe that she’ll arrive in France ready to fight. Brian will set the strategy. Zhenya will give it her best. That’s all we can ask of her.
Yes, 4s is not a realistic goal for this season.
But no matter what, I believe in our girl! She's a true fighter.
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