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her season was a mess tbh. and why did she competed at the nhk? a mystery...
Evgenia Medvedeva
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her season was a mess tbh. and why did she competed at the nhk? a mystery...
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I don't think you got what i have written at all. First, there is nothing like "my Alina". I never favored either of them here and I'm not doing it by that quoted comment. That was only and exclusively reaction to the statement that Alina doesn't deserve PCS score on the level of those ladies you named. Using it different way is completely out-of-context (I am willing to call it demagogic).
First, Zhenya still got higher PCS than Alina.
Second, The difference between them was 1,5 point in total at OG, that is something you can never arrange, tahts just immediate result of so many thing taht it cannot be intentionally affected.
Third, the team is responsible for both programs and it cannot be directly designed that way to give advance to either of them. It has to be done to fit each of them, using individual advantages and abilities etc. Thats just not the question of privilege.
Fourth, that so called lack of aim on Zhenya (which is funny, as I have said, many of those like you use just the same statement in relation to Alina, that it is her who has not enough attention) is what? It is well known that Eteri leads her students to independence, which is fdor me just how that should be done (I have written more about it already and I'm not willing to repeat myself again).
Fifth, but not last, important thing is there is nobody other on this planet but Eteri's team who was able to deliver his/hers skater to the level Zhenya is. Even her 156+ points at OG is more than any other lady skater got excl. Alina. The imagination that Zhenya will move to oter coach and somehow she should receive more than now is just so ridiculous that I cannot find out how anybody could even say this seriously. It was more than she got at 2017 Worlds. She was second? Come on, is that so low for some of you? During season Zhenya had to deal with fractured bone whether Alina had season of her life (and of course I wish her more seasons like that), but even when Zhenya had all those serious troubles she still delivered second best result of her life (as for the points, subjectively I liked her OG long program more than last years record skate). thats not guilt of her team, thats just matter of all circumstances nobody can ever affect completely.
So, for mě there is absolutely no ratial reason for moving, at least whe consider things I'm aware of and things taht are presented here as "arguments" for her leaving Eteri. Case closed for me.
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Many people seems to prefer Orser, but to be honest, his temporary ladies students absolutely do not convince me. Daleman? Tursynbayeva? So below Zhenya's level. And even his former students never reached the level on which Zhenya is now. i can't help myslef but I feel it only as completely irrational conviction:
"we have to get Zhenya out of Russia."
"Because?"
"Because!"
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I completely agree. This is about an athlete making the best choices for herself and with all the young talent in eteri’s group she has to be wondering if she’d be more successful elsewhere. I mean its likely that as soon as the juniors become seniors, even Alina will have aged out of their model and need to seek coaching elsewhere.
The thing is, Zhenya skated her programs pretty much perfectly. She broke her world record in the short program and I think she said at the end of her FS “I did everything I could” or something like that. Her program wasn’t enough to win. Her teammate got a program that won. Maybe this was due to injury or inability to do some of the same jumps. But she has to be wondering if the program should have been different and if she will continue to get lesser programs if she sticks with Eteri. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t appreciate all Eteri has done, but she may feel she would do better with someone else.
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Yes, actually that is low. And that's low for Zhenya too. I am sorry to say but that is the competitive mindset. Zhenya didn't go through all that agony thinking you know what, silver is great! No, she went through that because a gold Olympic medal is a gold Olympic medal. Is silver great? Yes, absolutely but athletes don't work that way, not at her level, especially not while she is still competing and while it is all fresh.
A two time World, European, GPF champion who skated cleanly at the Olympics had every reason to expect the best programs and in case she was clean, yes, expecting a victory was reasonable.
Let me be clear, as talk went all over the place, I don't think overall that Eteri's team did her any wrong. They may have made a mistake by playing it too safe last season (so 2016/17, pre-Olympics season) and then it all spiraled out of control this season but I can think both that, and have an overall positive opinion.
I think she respects Eteri, and is very grateful, as she's said but you can feel both that and at the same time feel like it's a moment for change perhaps. She can look at what happened, look at who's coming and perhaps think that hey, leaving is the best solution. It may be risky but she may feel it's the best for her future.
I am not saying she is thinking this, I am saying this is a reasonable opinion to have. Yes, it differs from yours but I don't think it's so wild to be called outrageous or whatever. I'm also not saying she's leaving, as I've stated way at the start this is so problematic even if she wanted to but in a discussion, it's a POV that is reasonable, even if one doesn't agree with it.
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It is interesting to read this thread the past few days and see team yolo (she stays with Eteri) and team yaga(she goes somewhere else) taking shape. I think she is staying with Eteri...unless Viktor from Yuri on Ice is taking students...
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Ahahah #teamyolo! No, but seriously. It's not like I want her to stay with Eteri, nor do I want her to leave Eteri. I just want to talk about facts and not speculations and enjoy this moment of documentaries and ice shows instead of having pages of arguments over speculations :agree:
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As far as I know, originally Zhenya's program was intended to be completely backloaded too. But due to her injury there was concern if she can withstand such load. So, this is where her injury really influenced that result. And again, 156 points is huge result, who could arrange for her something which would gain her more (incl. to train her for it)? I am absolutely skeptical about that. And you can't blame Eteris team that Alina just received even more (and nobody of the students of coaches who are proposed here ever got to that level).
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Well, honest answer from you, I respect that. And I'm completely aware she desired for gold, thats true. But still, I don't see any possibility she would go even better than she did under any other coach (even if she would be completely healthy), thats my position against such proposals.
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Many people seems to prefer Orser, but to be honest, his temporary ladies students absolutely do not convince me. Daleman? Tursynbayeva? So below Zhenya's level. And even his former students never reached the level on which Zhenya is now. i can't help myslef but I feel it only as completely irrational conviction:
"we have to get Zhenya out of Russia."
"Because?"
"Because!"
Not at all. I will support her regardless where she lives. Yes, this two skaters are not the best examples but that does not mean it will be the same for Zhenya.
Anyway end of coach speculation for today.
Edit: I consider one of Eteri´s coaching mistake was to let her start at the NHK Trophy. Eteri is certainly a good coach but not perfect.
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I believe Daniil was primarily responsible for Alina’s programs.
http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2018gleichengauz
I don’t think Eteri ever expected her program to beat out Zhenya’s. Look at her face when Alina’s short program scores are announced. She is in shock.
There is a psych study where silver medalists are way less happy than bronze medalists. Silver implies you “lost.” Whereas bronze medalists are happy to be on the podium. As competitive as Evgenia, silver must be devastating to her. Even if it was a very high score, it wasn’t enough to win.
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Watching the Big Dipper(from Zhenya's latest ig story), hope everything will be fine
Her shock was very theatrical because Alina received almost the same points as at Euros. + This woman is the best in counting points. She knew that Alina will have such result. If Zhenya knew (read her interview after SP), Eteri knew this 100%.
My problem with Eteri as Zhenya's coach is that she knows that technic plays the main role in ladies FS. And she did not give Zhenya technic weapon. Zhenya was capable of 1+6. It is OBVIOUS. She skated 1+6 in September with one turn on the lutz. The quality of other elements was also normal for the start of the season. The injury happened AFTER they changed her layout. Zhenya's insider also told that changing layout was not connected to the injury, because the injury was later.
I think Eteri did not want to risk. One girl will skate difficult program, another will have reliable and stable technical content. It is perfect strategy for her and for Government. But was awful for Zhenya. Anyway, she wanted to became the coach of OGM and she did it.
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Well, i am sure her jumps would be better if she were completely healthy.
Do you have a link?But i agree, let's hope she will overcome this olympic season mentally.
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Well, they never actually said that they changed her FS because of the injury. It was due to the fact that backloading wasn't working for her. Take a look at her skate at Nepela Trophy - she had some troubles with indurance when all the jumps started. Also, Zhenya was very dissatisfied at the end, although she had no falls and I personally enjoyed her FS quite much.
However, I think that the backloading and the extra jumping during the summer had contributed to the problems with her leg.
However, I think that the backloading and the extra jumping during the summer had contributed to the problems with her leg.
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Don't forget that: https://youtu.be/sqQcVMCSWws?t=222
It's dated March 7th 2018, but still:
E.M. : Eteri is the person that raised me. Without her, all this wouldn't exist.
- 11 years together, and you will keep together ?
- Yes
- Without any doubt ?
- Absolutely
It's dated March 7th 2018, but still:
E.M. : Eteri is the person that raised me. Without her, all this wouldn't exist.
- 11 years together, and you will keep together ?
- Yes
- Without any doubt ?
- Absolutely
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Do you have a source? Because she never said something like that.
I read a comment that the change to Anna Karenina was because she wanted to tell a story on the ice...
Zhenya does not make decisions what to skate, which dress to wear and etc. Do not believe every interview.
Her wishes means nothing because the coach is everything.
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If this is the case, what should Zhenya do now?
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Sorry, I have expressed myself wrongly. Yes, they officially said that she wanted to tell a story etc, that she wasn't feeling the Leftovers program. But they still made the new program with the old layout, which is quite telling that backloading/rearanging jumps wasn't working. This isn't a bad thing, it doesn't mean that she's not capable of doing it. She just didn't have enough time to adjust physically, I guess. Also, if you remember her test skate and than Nepela - she seemed very disappointed, something was definitely bothering her.
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