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I'm gonna say she does 1 + 2 in the SP and her usual 2 + 5 in the long
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I'm gonna say she does 1 + 2 in the SP and her usual 2 + 5 in the long
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Wasn't wise from me to mention it
But that wasn't so out of the subject, actually, with the debate being having a bad skate at the worst moment... 
Anyway, not a very interesting discussion, is it? :thumbsup:
I think 3 + 4 in the FP, but with the 3rd at the end of the 2min (so basically like what she had, but no more timed exactly to go in the second part
). But I think both combo will be in the second part.
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I didn't want to deny what Alina did, or say she didn't deserved it, or anything... But it's a fact that she failed at Worlds, and that's ok, it might happen to anyone, this time it was Alina, in the future it will probably be Zhenya... But as I said, for now it didn't happen to Zhenya
She never was in the same situation, with all respect to her achievemets and consistency. That's why I laid the question on the end of my previous comment. Zhenya knew her state of health is not enough for Worlds. Alina's probably wasn't too (doesn't matter that it was for other cause), but there was huge press on her to "confirm" her achievement. Yes, she could withdraw the championship (risking rumors "hehe, new Sotnikova can't defend her results" or some similar BS). She did not and failed. So what? That was the situation in which she was completely alone, so the comparison between her and Medvedeva is completely out of place and unfair.
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No. But I have predicted Zhenya's leaving from Eteri in this off-season even last fall.
It was already accepted. 2 + 1 (bonus) and 4 + 3 (bonus)
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I think every skater is bound to have a bad competition at some point. At WC it happened to Alina, it could happen to Zhenya next season too. She may be lucky and never have a meltdown. Regardless, having one meltdown shouldn't define a skater. Alina had a phenomenal season, so did Zhenya.
But if to look to season 2016/2017 when Zhenya was healthy and also in puberty but her longevity of top form was really remarkable from very early autumn till the end of season and even after in summer shows she was fully ready. It is not that Alina is somehow bad but just Zhenya in this aspect is not ordinary. Especially if according to her ex-coaches her form can go down very quickly.
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I guess you're right, but I was just stating a fact, and that fact is that however hard the context was, she failed at Worlds. But it doesn't matter, perhaps she'll win in 2019 and everyone will be pleased with that. That's all I was saying
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When using word "not ordinary", that it would be propre to use it for both of them. Zhenya really didn't have serious adversary during her first two senior seasons. That doesn't mean that there weren't great competitors for her, but for her it was only issue skate clean and nothing can go wrong. So she had pretty much time to gain experience and all. When Alina came, in her very first senior season she had to deal with the absolute best of the best lady of this time and just "skate clean" wasn't just enough, she had to prove both skating qualitis and strong will immediately, without time to gain experience. Of couyrse Zhenya had her own issue, for the first time there was real adversary and suddenly her injury came, the autumn had to be really tough for her. But she had the advantage of two years behind, fans and all.
i'm not talking about "who's better" or some BS like that, I just say that the starting point wasn't the same for them, so thge comparison is not fair here.
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I guess you're right, but I was just stating a fact, and that fact is that however hard the context was, she failed at Worlds. But it doesn't matter, perhaps she'll win in 2019 and everyone will be pleased with that. That's all I was saying
Well, it reminds me the line from the movie Gettysburg. Some soldier of Chamberlain's regiment says "We held the (some) pass before Confederates for six hours." The answer was "But they didn't even come."
That was fact too, but it depends on circumstances
Of course it is wrong to to compare two athletes directly. But it is not right to say that Zhenya didn't have pressure last year . She was first number, she wasn't even forgiven minor mistakes on Nepela, she went to NHK with broken leg just not to show the weakness until it was to late. And native media from the very start of the season published articles about how her time was ending. And about attention lets not to forget that not everyone welcomed Med in her 15-18 years old.
And it is even not to take into consideration her story with injury. That's where there was real pressure .
But again this is no to compare to Alina just noting that this is indisputable talent to work under pressure. Alina has many other stronger sides anyway.
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That's not what I said (or at least what I wanted to say
), I have written "Of course Zhenya had her own issue" and all that after it. If it gave the impression she had it easy, than my bad.I guess you're right, but I was just stating a fact, and that fact is that however hard the context was, she failed at Worlds. But it doesn't matter, perhaps she'll win in 2019 and everyone will be pleased with that. That's all I was saying
From what I remember, Alina got the flu after the Olympics. When you have the flu you're bedridden for at least a week and you need at least a month before you are where you were physically before getting sick. She was quoted after the short program that her muscles felt tight and weak. I'm not sure whether she was forced to compete or not but she should have never went to Worlds. It was heartbreaking to watch. Even the Russian Minister of Sports called her directly from Moscow to tell her to forget about it and go shopping. Evgenia was wise to not go when she knew she couldn't perform at her best.
Oh, ok I'm not fully understandThat's not what I said (or at least what I wanted to say
.But just skate clean every time during season especially in adults is not the easy task at all as it is seemed. Usually average athletes keep peak form not the whole season but the case of healthy Zhenya is different.
But about her groupmate who unlike Osmond for example saw her main competitor everyday on the rink and saw her fallings from the simple steps just two months before Olympics and knew everything about the whole situation with injury so I'm not so sure who had psychological advantage in this sparring.
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I disagree. Imagine she would tell herself before the Olympics "I´am injured and my body is not by 100%". I highly doubt she would end up with a medal.
Sometimes you need to trick your brain a little if you want to achieve high results.
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What was the reason for your prediction last fall?
Edit:I found this. Zhenya after her Free Skate with Eteri.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXMmtiKDq0
A russian gave this comment:
EM: "I did everything I could to get around ... And you did everything that Alina will win in both short and arbitrary"
EG: * a lot of different interpretations "
EM: "This is the maximum ... It was the maximum"
EG: "Yes?"
EM: "Yes"
EG: "I do not agree with you"
PS: What I heard. The phrase EG, of course, a mystery
Can a russian user confirm this?
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Guys, can we please drop the Alina subject? Passing mentions are fine, but this thread is not about her.
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There were some interpretation of this moment before her departure from Russia was official, but this part was not mentionned, and I find weird that it comes out after Eteri spoke about it
I don't speak a single word of Russian, but I would be very skeptical than suddenly someone hears / understands what she said there.Although it can be true, but that would be a big coincidence.
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There were some interpretation of this moment before her departure from Russia was official, but this part was not mentionned, and I find weird that it comes out after Eteri spoke about it
Although it can be true, but that would be a big coincidence.
yes, that´s why I´am asking.
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What? Zhenya debuted in a year when the favorites were Radionova in Russia and Gold, Miyahara, Mao Asada in the international arena. She was literally nobody and there was no confidence in her. She earned her place by overcoming situations of intense pressure: Skate America, with Gracie being favored, Russia; Elena having pcs superior to her. Worlds in Boston, she endures the pressure and when she can not make her 3-3 combo, she quickly changes the design to a 3F, 2A. 3Lo-3T, caused commotion among commentators. In all that year, she never beat anyone in pcs, Ashley, Gracie, elena received more than her, she would have to earn her place by winning another year.
2017, after enduring a whole year of stress being only a teenager,She should again show that She was not the typical Russian 1-season champion. Mihara debuted and had higher BV than she, Caro had returned and the judges still loved her, Kaetlyn was already a favorite, Radionova and Pogo were up and down, so the Federation pressed Zhenya to the maximum. Also to make sure, they artificially pushed Sotskova over Pogo (but the international judges ignored her), Zhenya won and won, and won, she closed his mouth to those who didn't believe in her. Situation of maximum stress: Worlds 2017, Anna collapses,she had to secure the Olympic spots. Zhenya skates right after Anna. She could have been a complete disaster there that day and may have ended without a podium, because the pressure was enormous: defend world title, secure the Russian places, being pressured by her Federation, her teammates collapsed. But she delivered with concentration and calm.
2018 season : she skates injured in Rostelecom and NHK, and even so she does not bomb, only god knows the physical and mental pain that she felt at that moment (remember she limped in NHK). It is forced to resign to the GPF and Nationals, we all know the consequences of that untimely injury. The level of stress and pressure that generates must be hell. Olympics: Zhenya gave everything, still not recovered 100% and suffering from tendinitis on those days, she also fulfilled, sacrificing her own body and mind. Despite having lost the European, she appeared in the Olympics as the favorite. All the pressure was on her.
These facts indicate that Zhenya tolerates better pressure than any other skater that ever existed (only comparable to Yuzuru Hanyu who lived a similar situation this season), without exaggerating. Alina, unfortunately, could not stand the pressure of being the "favorite" in Worlds and it melted. Which is due to her inexperience and to the fact that it was the first time in her life that everything depended on her, because Zhenya was not there to absorb that pressure.
And most likely, the pressure and expectations this new season are still on Zhenya instead of Alina. It's unfair, but she carries the kharma of being "reliable and consistent," and everyone waits for her debut under Orser's care. Again, for the 4th consecutive year she has to live a new situation of pressure and stress, I do not even want to imagine the nerves in the Russian Nationals this year.
Anyway, really all this is so off toppic, and already discussed in the forum of the Olympic event and in other forums in The Edge. You can open a debate about it.
Remember that this is ZHENYA'S FANFEST. I say this for the user @india ... who came here to make unpleasant comments that he then edited. None of us goes to Alina's fanfest to declare that Zhenya should have won, I have never seen someone from this fanfest do such an absurd thing, so I hope they do not come here to lift offtopic or generate controversy.
This part looks like fake, this is too long phrase, so not suitable for timing and there was not seen distinctive articulation of "A".
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