Figure Skating Anime

[Rissa]

Yet I should say, that even Evgeni's choreography is more interesting than Nikiforov's "choreography". What did Nikiforov do besides his jumps? Some weak wavings of hands?..

Are you seriously comparing a chopped anime scene to real-life program? Like, really?

Somebody's missing the point of "anime".

A body in animation can be more musical and beautiful!
:clapper: A body in animation can move like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnQK_DixPQ&t=4m09s

Lol, whut. What is that example supposed to be.

You should make up your mind whether you want the animation to try to imitate the real skating or be completely unrealistic. You're contradicting yourself.

You know, since that anime seems to annoy you already, and people who see Plushy in Victor seem to annoy you even more, how about you don't watch it and let us anime fans have fun in peace? This way, everybody wins. You get some peace of mind and we get a thread free of your whining.

LOL @ Viktor's layout- 4Lz, 4F, 4S, 3A, 3A-3Lo, 3Lz, 3F, 4T-3T. Who's next? Boyang? Nathan? Yuzu? Anyone? :laugh2

Omg, only two combos???

Also, is there a possibility J-Yuri is bisexual? We know he's attracted to women. That would be pretty cool.

In my experience, anime of this sort never go there explicitly. The fanservice will imply the passion of a thousand suns and the meeting of souls, but it will never be said or shown straight out.

 

[plushyfan]

No-no-no, we don't need such a happiness for Yagudin, as I was saying. :giveup:

Now I'd say this Victor is not a skater at all.
Yagudin never would dare to say: "I'll make you win". I think it's impossible to find a skater or a coach, who could say these silly words. The authors of this anime don't even know, that the ice is slippery, that even the best skater never can be sure he will win. What they are going to tell, if they know nothing about the real work?..
I expected a good animation after the promo clip, in which the animation seemed to be good. Even though I know, that usually anime characters can't even walk like normal people. Now we see more, and I'd say it isn't beautiful.



I agree. I have the same feeling. Yet I should say, that even Evgeni's choreography is more interesting than Nikiforov's "choreography". What did Nikiforov do besides his jumps? Some weak wavings of hands?..

Yet I don't remember Evgeni skating with such a face of a dying man. Nikiforov is nearly crying:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoqYqZgWYAEua6I.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...ViktorN.png/revision/latest?cb=20160420112456
It is not only about Nikiforov's face, his hands are crying too. That is what these animators are able to draw.
Well, Evgeni can show something like such emotion - for a short moment, sometimes. But "show" is a key word here.


A body in animation can be more musical and beautiful!
:clapper: A body in animation can move like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnQK_DixPQ&t=4m09s

This is not a Plushenko portrait or biography on anime... of course..

Plushy has beautiful hands his fans noticed long time ago. For example http://autisia.blogspot.hu/2014/02/plushenkos-hands.html

"All was energetic and beautiful in skating, but what impressed me the most was his “hands”. What are artistic and expressive hands! I know some motions are from early 20th century ballet dancer Niginski’s coleography. His hands were always much more beautiful than any other skaters, but in that programme they seemed to lead his skating. Some younger skaters might technically overwhelmed this 31-years-old skater, but no one’s had exceeded his hands."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mvSSL1lbdg&t=25s beautiful hands on ice ( and off ice, too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moCksOwAzLo Plushenko's entry gesture

 

[Rina RUS]

how about you don't watch it and let us anime fans have fun in peace?

Why I had no right to see one episode?

I think I expected there would be more psychology or philosophy (it happens, that such things go together with sex fantasies). Japan and China are wise countries.
It seems to me all of you can understand, why I think, that a skater (any skater) never would say: "I'll make you win". Maybe I am sad, that the authors of this anime don't feel even this simple truth.

and people who see Plushy in Victor seem to annoy you even more

Annoy? No.
Anyway the authors of this anime try to speak about skating, so it was interesting to see their point of view (I mean psychology and etc).
And... yes, it is funny to see what other people think of some details.
You know... maybe it is strange for me, that people are ready to take any screenplay, any choreography for the one whom they love. May I be the first who will say: Evgeni moves more interesting than this Victor. Honestly. As for psychology... nothing to talk.

Are you seriously comparing a chopped anime scene to real-life program?

No. I don't expect to see a real program. Yet I think it is possible to watch videos and to choose something more interesting than only running, running, a jump, a jump... Even a chopped scene could be more interesting.

You should make up your mind whether you want the animation to try to imitate the real skating or be completely unrealistic.

I just mean, that the motion in animation can be more smooth (flowing). The same anime characters could move better. I don't suggest to change the style, I just think the same picture could be more musical. Just my opinion.

(By the way, this anime is not realistic too. The dogs, for example. Many many flying hands around the girl. And even a naked body is not a normal beautiful body.)

 

[Yatagarasu]

When people who know nothing about animation and anime start judging it. I don't have enough face palms.


Anyhow. About the number of episodes, 12 or 13 more than likely. Whether there is a season two depends on the success of the show and MAPPA's policy. Their founder is Masao Maruyama, who also co-founded Madhouse, a studio that probably has the most infuriating track record on second seasons. Hopefully his new studio is better in this regard and it's just a question of profitability/interest.

 

[Pamigena]

I sort of held it together for the most part, but that last scene finally killed me if anybody at this hotel had been left asleep, I have now changed that....... dear me, I nearly fell out of bed laughing. I love this. And I only watched on my phone, for lack of alternatives. I can't wait to get back to my computer

But honestly, I really don't care much for all the "no MY favorite skater is this fictional character" I'll just enjoy this for what it is: ridiculously amusing.

 

[sunnystars]

The animation is amazing but it does have its minor choppy moments. But hey I'm okay with it.

I hope they don't over-rely on the fan-service though. It's honestly one of the main reasons I stopped watching anime. There's so much art and sincerity to appreciate in both ways they have animated the sport and the realities of the athletes already. I'll be honest- I was so happy that they didn't have J-Yuri's crush waiting for him after five years. It's so contradicting because that is such a sad scenario but it's the reality. Idk it's a sad yet...refreshing truth for an anime.

So...yeah my takeaway: less butt-shots and mushy-mush closeups but gimme more skating, skating, skating! And I guess a decent story development.

 

[cathlen]

I just hope it won't be Cinderella story. With Viktor being a fairy Godmother and J-Yuri a Cinderella (and R-Yuri an evil sister?). If it's going to be another story with poor Japanese boy trying hard, but he win GPF at the end and media and fans are all over him, then it's going to be a predicitible and boring plot. So I really hope it will be more complex, some plot twists and not just a fan service.

 

[sunnystars]

If it's going to be another story with poor Japanese boy trying hard, but he win GPF at the end and media and fans are all over him, then it's going to be a predicitible and boring plot.

and if he starts to train a super secret ancient technique that destroyed the dinosaurs as a given example by Moria Polonius' previous post

 

[Yatagarasu]

I just hope it won't be Cinderella story. With Viktor being a fairy Godmother and J-Yuri a Cinderella (and R-Yuri an evil sister?). If it's going to be another story with poor Japanese boy trying hard, but he win GPF at the end and media and fans are all over him, then it's going to be a predicitible and boring plot. So I really hope it will be more complex, some plot twists and not just a fan service.

Well, he's not exactly a poor Japanese boy, now is he? At the moment we met him, he has already qualified for the GPF on his own. That's pretty darn impressive, even if he did end up sixth. That was disheartening for him and we got his backstory that lead him to where he currently is. He's already pretty good, especially as he can keep up with that delightfully impossible program of Victor's even at that point and it's his lack of self-confidence that seems to be his biggest problem. I am not surprised Victor thinks he can win because Victor has just seen what he can do, which is keep up with him. Seeing Yuuri win or come close to winning the GPF is not exactly unrealistic with a set-up like this. And while I imagine there'll be some more serious plot points, there always are and the Japanese love their angst, this really isn't an ultra serious anime; it's not Death Note or GITS. It's some fun that hopefully showcases figure skating a bit and is profitable enough that perhaps it gets a season two.

Oh and R-Yuri isn't going to end up being the evil sister, at least it doesn't seem that way but he is a tsun tsun, so keep that in mind in terms of his behaviour, especially at the start.

 

[cathlen]

Well, he's not exactly a poor Japanese boy, now is he? At the moment we met him, he has already qualified for the GPF on his own. That's pretty darn impressive, even if he did end up sixth. That was disheartening for him and we got his backstory that lead him to where he currently is. He's already pretty good, especially as he can keep up with that delightfully impossible program of Victor's even at that point and it's his lack of self-confidence that seems to be his biggest problem. I am not surprised Victor thinks he can win because Victor has just seen what he can do, which is keep up with him. Seeing Yuuri win or come close to winning the GPF is not exactly unrealistic with a set-up like this. And while I imagine there'll be some more serious plot points, there always are and the Japanese love their angst, this really isn't an ultra serious anime; it's not Death Note or GITS. It's some fun that hopefully showcases figure skating a bit and is profitable enough that perhaps it gets a season two.

Oh and R-Yuri isn't going to end up being the evil sister, at least it doesn't seem that way but he is a tsun tsun, so keep that in mind in terms of his behaviour, especially at the start.

And the beggining of the episode they did show him as poor Japanese boy. And Russian Yuri yelling at him was a little liek evil sister I'm not saying it's unrealistic for him to win GPF, I also think qualifying to GPF is huge succes, but from the point of J-Yuri and Japanese media in that anime, it was NOT. My post point was that I don't want it to be a boring and predictible plot, with some pretty skating and lots of fan service. There's already Ouran High School Host Club for that (minus skating and I mean anime, manga was actually quite decent).

 

[Yatagarasu]

And the beggining of the episode they did show him as poor Japanese boy. And Russian Yuri yelling at him was a little liek evil sister I'm not saying it's unrealistic for him to win GPF, I also think qualifying to GPF is huge succes, but from the point of J-Yuri and Japanese media in that anime, it was NOT. My post point was that I don't want it to be a boring and predictible plot, with some pretty skating and lots of fan service. There's already Ouran High School Host Club for that (minus skating and I mean anime, manga was actually quite decent).

Oh he was definitely shown at his lowest emotionally but I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Victor actually points out to him, and the audience, just how good that was in reality (the GPF qualifier). Also his dog died, I have to mention that, no wonder the poor thing was crying in the bathroom, everything piled up and we're meant to see him as a fail, only to go well, maybe not. If I were to guess, I'd bet on predictable, more than anything. They are obviously playing for a sure sell, this is the fanservice part, and while I'd prefer a serious story, with beautiful animation etc, the cruel reality is that this isn't what'll pay back the money investment. So I'll take the fun with good animation because the alternative is nothing at all.

I would consider it a good thing if he placed or if it was an emotionally fulfilling ending like Free! that had that as it's culmination, instead of a sports victory, while we got a good story and a decent balance of that and comedy (including fanservice) in the middle. For a sports anime, this would be a success, so I'm hoping for, in case you've seen it, Free! season 1. That way no disappointments and anything on top is a welcome, unexpected bonus.

 

[Winnie_20]

Just watched the first episode, and I really liked it. I'm not the biggest anime TV series fan in the world, but this was fun. I'm very 'open' towards it, though, I mean, I'm not interested in nitpicking or looking at all the things that may not make sense. It was just very entertaining. Looking forward to more! :agree:

 

[shyne]

Kenji Miyamoto chro ～20 programs for this anime

very excited about it

 

[GF2445]

I just really enjoy how all three spins were pretty much copies of Patrick Chan's spins.

His camel change camel
The flying sit with unique variation
And the combination spin with the butterfly.

 

[plushyfan]

Yet I don't remember Evgeni skating with such a face of a dying man. Nikiforov is nearly crying:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoqYqZgWYAEua6I.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...ViktorN.png/revision/latest?cb=20160420112456
It is not only about Nikiforov's face, his hands are crying too. That is what these animators are able to draw.
Well, Evgeni can show something like such emotion - for a short moment, sometimes. But "show" is a key word here.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF2FNpfy62r/?taken-by=natalia.evgeni_art

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGKpSRWy68k/?taken-by=natalia.evgeni_art

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGvBmopS6xX/?taken-by=natalia.evgeni_art

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIGey93gcIM/?taken-by=natalia.evgeni_art

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIYnfTBhZbL/?taken-by=natalia.evgeni_art

Don't you see the emotions?? He can express emotions with every pore of his body..

 

[Warwick360]

I can already imagine the ending. "To beat the final rival, the protagonist will have to pull all stops"

"But suddenly in the Long, after trailing in the Short, the hero of the show falls on his triple axle"

"What will he do? Will he change his routine? Will he fail? Will he give up?"

"Stay tuned to figure out in the next episode of Yuri Ball Z......"

Note.....Of course, I'm gonna bet, there will be a scenario of Quad Axle-triple toe in the second half to save the day. -_-

 

[Meoima]

It's so funny to see Plush vs Yags fan war after all those years lmao

 

[yyyskate]

I just really enjoy how all three spins were pretty much copies of Patrick Chan's spins.

His camel change camel
The flying sit with unique variation
And the combination spin with the butterfly.

I see HanYan in some of step sequences.

 

[pETEs (Sasha Fan)]

Who else is livin' for Japanese Yuri's crossfoot spins?

 

[Rina RUS]

His movements like Plushy's.

I agree. I have the same feeling. /.../ Yet I don't remember Evgeni skating with such a face of a dying man. Nikiforov is nearly crying:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoqYqZgWYAEua6I.jpg
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...ViktorN.png/revision/latest?cb=20160420112456

Plushy has beautiful hands his fans noticed long time ago.

Don't you see the emotions?? He can express emotions with every pore of his body..

(Sorry. I wanted to answer earlier, but we had guests today and etc.)

Yes. There are moments on Evgeni's videos, when I think the same: "beautiful hands (arms)". Yet not because of dramatism.
Actually, as far as I remember, Mishin didn't like such a drama, so Evgeni's programs were not built on this.

Maybe Evgeni rarely tries to feel the movement before the movement is started, often he just throws his arms to the air (the movement begins from his shoulder, not deeper). Evgeni's arms can do many very fast movements, though of course, nobody is able to fill such movements with a strong energy.

Yet I suddenly found a video, on which Evgeni is nearly crying. And not only crying. Here I can say, that he fills every his movement with energy, that the movement begins deeper than from the shoulder. All the parts of his body work together. Here he is sincerely deep in the theme from beginning to the end, he is not boring for me even when he is preparing to a jump... This program is monolithic and sincere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbZAmNtoes Je Suis Malade

I think Nikiforov's "program" is monolithic for me. Boring and strange, but monolithic. I feel, that Victor (or Yuri) is sincerely lives through every moment.

It doesn't mean, that I need to see a man crying or that any program should be a tragedy. In programs of another sort the energy also can fill every movement. Yet it is hard to talk about such things. (And the English language is not native for me.)

And anyway, my feelings are just my feelings.