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I think it can happen... 2006 I thought was pretty decent scoring all the way around...
Has Johnny already peaked? (COC/COR Spoilers)
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Everyone knows Johnny has burnt bridges wiht the USFSA for various reasons that I"m sure we all know and have rehashed time and again. Johnny will need to skate clean and Evan will need to faulter. Just my opinion of course. I can't speka for others.
That's unfortunate because that means they won't be scored fairly on how they skate. :frown2:
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I agree. To get their support ( USFSA) Johnny will have to place above Evan at worlds for next season. This season's Nationals, they will support Evan again same as last season. I also think if Evan has small mistake and Johnny's perfect clean ( both of them do quads ) , they will push Evan to win using GOE and PCS.
Just my thought.
As much as I love Weir´s beautiful skating, I think that he kind of wasted a couple years during which he should have continued working hard with his skating (and quad). Hopefully he will do better in next Worlds! Without a quad Weir loses points though and although he might be clean or nearly clean in his freeskate, several of the top skaters with quad seem to have higher PCS scores. Elegance is not enough, there must be the hard stuff also.
Compared to some other countries I have gotten during many years the impression that the US Nationals have a rather fair judging, based on what the skaters are doing on the ice.
I agree. To get their support ( USFSA) Johnny will have to place above Evan at worlds for next season. This season's Nationals, they will support Evan again same as last season. I also think if Evan has small mistake and Johnny's perfect clean ( both of them do quads ) , they will push Evan to win using GOE and PCS.
Just my thought.
Compared to some other countries I have gotten during many years the impression that the US Nationals have a rather fair judging, based on what the skaters are doing on the ice.
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In Last US nationals, one of mystery things for me was that Johnny got deduction 0.57 from one of his jumps 3F ( last jump ) in his SP.
One of the judges was giving him -2 for it and four judges gave him -1.
To me, all his jumps in it were clean. Did you see any mistake on his 3F ? If so , what was it ?
It’s still mystery for me. If someone knows the reason of the deduction, I appreciate the info.
:disagree: Not always.....I disagree with that statement.
Wrong takeoff edge.
In Last US nationals, one of mystery things for me was that Johnny got deduction 0.57 from one of his jumps 3F ( last jump ) in his SP.
One of the judges was giving him -2 for it and four judges gave him -1.
To me, all his jumps in it were clean. Did you see any mistake on his 3F ? If so , what was it ?
It’s still mystery for me. If someone knows the reason of the deduction, I appreciate the info.
Watching it in slow-motion (= frame by frame) it seems to me that his flip was two-footed. Nowadays even the slightest mistakes can be detected which were not so visible in earlier competitions with bare eyes. The judging of jumps can be really accurate now, which is an advantage for those skaters who make them correctly.
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I also watched it in slow-motion ( frame by frame ) many times. It doesn't look two footed. At the angle that the back part of the blade was coming down, if it had hit the ice, there would have been ice splashing everywhere. And there wasn't.
I also listened to the commentary. They analyzed it in slow motion and Dick Button looked at this jump and said this jump has good revolution and is CLEAN.
Has there ever been an event where both Evan and Johnny have skated clean?
Also, is there the still 5 to 6 points a skater can earn by doing a quad and falling?
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If it counts as rotated, then it's 5 points--9, then -3 GOE, then minus the 1 point deduction.
If it doesn't count as rotated--one fourth of a turn under--then it already counts less than a fall on a rotated quad even if clean. And if you fall on an underrotated quad you get no points at all--4 points, then -3 GOE, then the 1 point deduction. Then it's a completely wasted jumping pass.
And 5 points is the value of a clean triple loop...a quad is worth plenty, IMO, to garner the points of a fairly difficult triple after a fall.
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The 2004 Nationals. Johnny ended up 1st, Evan 5th. The top 5 men all did clean long programs that year. Winner Johnny, 3rd place finisher Matt Savoie, 5th place finisher Evan Lysacek, had all also done clean shorts.
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I could swear Evan Lysacek fell on his opening 3Axel in the 2004 Nationals LP, but then went on to skate a clean program. I was in attendance watching it live and I recall this happening. Can anyone else confirm? I can't find a video on youtube.
I also taped it, but would have to search my apartment for the VHS tape. lol
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04... he was in a red flowing shirt? if so he did fall on something because I remember everyone talking about Evan as being the next big thing and I wasn't impressed (oh what a year can do 
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Well it looks like he got brought back down to earth by the big boys at the GP final.
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