Afghan women would denounce Taliban by merely taking part in a competition.
It will be an interesting process to watch though.
Good decision. But If FIFA itself could have the same energy for everyone it would be better. They can't say athletes can't be held responsible for a country and say athletes can be held responsible for another country.
I think that is a weak argument (from them, not you). Now, in Equestrians the question is definitely not as pressing for the sport as a whole as it is in figure skating. But in the end the IOC wording needs to be somewhat vague because the different sports have entirely different conditions and structures. In my eyes the guideline was clear enough. I think saying "this is too vague" is trying to escape the responsibility to come up with a real stance/decision for your sport.
The ones with clean tests conducted during international competitions under scrutiny of international authorities and analyzed in international labs with ultra sensitive equipment that detects pretty much anything on the list of forbidden substances. In this respect, athletes of all nationalities are equal and should be, period. You cannot call any person guilty of using if there is nothing in their blood, the sample is theirs and their behavior in respect to testing is exactly the same as any other athlete. Anything else, in my view, is rumor mongering and an incitement of ethnic hatred.
So, you want children you yourself call inocent to suffer prejudice? This is not ageism. This is determining legal responsibility, and in all legal codes, it's written in that person's under certain age bear no responsibility versus adult person. Unless Russian children are emancipated by the sport collectively, recognized as adults. In which case, the 17 yo target and protection of the minor clauses should not apply to them... and that becomes ridiculous, because so many high profile descisons were made based on the idea that minors under 17 have no legal responsibility in figure skating speciifcally and just now. It's either everyone who is called minor is not a responsible person and therefore cannot legaly support their government or minors should bear the brunt of responsibility for everything pertaining to sport. If the minors do not have a determined legal ability to support and participate in the war, it also means that the spots were taken from Russian minors last year illegaly. That was always my understanding. Therefore, I never had any qualms, and never will about my support for junior, minor athletes allowed to the JGP. Given the exceptionally of the treatment and the prejudice shown by the ISU, plus immediate precedent of Japan receiving spots if didn’t earn, I want Russia receive JGP spots at least equal to Japanese exception last year for qualifying athletes in 13 to 17 yo range, without the use of Russian symbology in the uniforms, flag and anthem.I agree with that for the kids, they cannot possibly be active in the war... but yeah... for pairs and dance, that may be another story.
I tend to think that the ISU will wait that other issues are solved first... and also, that they will not make a rule for JGP different than a rule for GP... or else, we will face ageismI mean at some point, let's hope that the situation gets better and that all these wonderful athletes can compete together fairly and happily.
I don't want anything but the end of the conflict. That's all... I am saying that there is no way to have the children of JGP compete when some of them are already adults, as some juniors are indeed under 18, while others are 18 and over...
This.
I also want world peace. But kids 17 and under prohibited from competing is in a legal contradiction (and not just by the letter of the law, by its spirit) to pretty much everything else as of the point of the MOC's latest announcement. If ISU wants to stay in tune with what MOC stated, allowing the athletes who do not personally support war (which automatically included and always included the minors) is the right thing to do. It is a true statement, just as the invasion is criminal is a true statement as determined by the corresponding international legal authorities. Laws have limitations and there are jurisdictional issues. But in these two cases, the responcible authorities made a call. MOC delegated the descisoon to ISU. It's now down to ISU.
I understand what you are saying but then, there is the law and the application of the law.
To follow up on this story, International Fencing Federation revoked the rules proposed by Poland and imposed the general "Russians can compete" rule they had come up with in early March, even before the IOC issued they recommendations. So Poland cancelled their event all together, like the countries who had done it before, receiving a lot of support for this decision from other European countries. They are working now on a joint case to be submitted to CAS (sic!).
As lariko said earlier, Russian samples are evaluated during international competitions under scrutiny of international authorities and analyzed in international labs with ultra sensitive equipment that detects pretty much anything on the list of forbidden substances. In this respect, athletes of all nationalities are equal and should be, period. You cannot call any person guilty of using if there is nothing in their blood, the sample is theirs and their behavior in respect to testing is exactly the same as any other athlete. Anything else is rumor mongering and an incitement of ethnic hatred.
Samples nearing events of international standards are generally fair game but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doping while training leading up to events up to a certain timeframe. During the Russia olympics the Russian secret service and gov officials were in on a scheme to swap out positive tests. 12 Olympic medal winning athletes fromRussia had positive samples that were tampered with or swapped out. They Dr Rodchenkov swapped out dirty samples at night and even admitted to saying he couldn’t do it in daytime with people around. There’s full emails laying out the scheme. Take your blinders off.. Russia hasn’t stopped doping,, they’ve gotten better at hiding it. Unless Russian athlete are submitting daily samples and being tested by a complete independent WADA appointed agency I won’t believe for a second that they have stopped doping. Let’s face that.. for that to happen in Russia would be almost impossible to carry out.
Sadly, it ain't a matter of whether speed skating section has any thoughts of leaving being advantageous or not. Speed skating has glommed onto and stuck like glue to figure skating. The co-opting is so cemented, that figure skating entity don't even know how to think for themselves. They've been controlled for so long!
are you saying the figure skating brings all the cash to the ISU and are brainwashed by the speed skating section into staying with them?Sadly, it ain't a matter of whether speed skating section has any thoughts of leaving being advantageous or not. Speed skating has glommed onto and stuck like glue to figure skating. The co-opting is so cemented, that figure skating entity don't even know how to think for themselves. They've been controlled for so long!
When one rebellious, enterprising leader of figure skating attempted to rally a revolutionary split, in 2003, the attempt failed miserably. It was not well-planned because there was not enough strategic foresight, nor solid support, but it was a brave effort. The rebellion's leader and courageous visionary, Ron Pfenning of the U.S., was thanklessly voted out and banned from further participation in the sport. The soft support for separating crumbled completely, as all the figure skating members fell back into their weak, fearful, secondary roles.
Figure skating entity has always been viewed by speed skating entity as the lesser than sport, but also as speed skating's personal cash cow that can never split away to find freedom and autonomy.
It's mostly been advantageous for speed skating to infinitely control and hold on to figure skating. Not the other way round.
First of all, you are reframing what I said. I'm not asking you to buy what I have said and there's no need to reframe my words either. There's a reason why the attempted coup happened, and why it was supported initially by Dick Button and Paul Wylie at a press conference during Worlds 2003. There's also a number of reasons why the attempt failed.
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