this thread gives me a headache, anxiety, and arthritis all at once.
For me it's not even so much about the disruption of a program by a fall - some skaters fall very gracefully and get up in one movement... but the yolo strategy seems made to bring results that are kind of... random.
Among the Russian men it's the worst for me. So many men going for Lutzes and Flips when they already have huge problems of landing easier layouts. For me as a viewer that feels a bit like gambling - you might land it all at the right time and then you and your coach are the heroes. There are also international girls who cannot even land their 3-3s, but are seriously training quads. I want the skaters to mostly present what they are really capable of, plus take a little risk on maybe one jump or jumping passage, I think I don't want it to be a common strategy to gamble on their 5% chance of getting it all done at the right event.
Is any sport, or for that matter art, or for that matter entertainment in general, logical?Can you meet me halfway and agree that figure skating also is not logical?
*Three fallsone fall.
This is the second time I have had to fact check someone in this thread.
The top 12 finishing Russian men in the free skate at the Russian championship had one fall.
The top 12 finishing international men in the free skate at the world championships had five falls.
If I go to the top 13 for the international men, it is seven falls.
That's my error. One fall in the top 11 of the free skate. Three in the top 12.*Three falls
Ilya Yablokov (9th overall, 12th in the Free) fell twice, and Mark Kondratiuk (10th overall, 7th in the Free) once.
I've acknowledged my error it was top 11 with one fall not top 12, but still an impressive three in the top 12.The last person I need to "fact check" my posts is you.
First of all I didn't even state "Russian men fall the most" and especially not "the top 12 Russian men fell more often at their last nats free skate than the top 12 men in their free skate at last worlds". You are disputing something I didn't say.
Secondly your numbers are wrong.
Thirdly you conveniently chose the top12, not the top 17, which would have made the most sense since there were 17 finishers at Russian nats - which would, I think, increase your fall statistics by 7 in the free skate of last Russian nats. You also conveniently chose the free skate only, leaving the splatfest that was the short program of that event in the shadow.
I love watching the Russian men and I have no intention of disregarding their abilities or talking about this off topic anymore, but don't call what you do "fact checking".
Let's make a deal, I don't react to your posts anymore, you don't react to mine.
I'm confused. Does this mean that a skater can do three quad toes?Article from TASS
Translation to English:
Note: The official agenda should be released in Apr-May time-frame.
No. And that's my pet peveve on this subject. Having taught graduate courses on logic, axiomatic systems and foundations of mathematics for many years I cringe when people say things like, "Logically, there should be 6 jumping passes instead of 7," or."Logically, the ISU ought to penalizes falls more heavily."Is any sport, or for that matter art, or for that matter entertainment in general, logical?
As far as I can tell that part of the propsed changes has not been explained in detail yet. I think that we will have to wait and see what is intended.I'm confused. Does this mean that a skater can do three quad toes?
I guess we figure that if we wait for the proposal to pass it will be too late to gripe. So we have to take our shots now.10 pages already for a proposal we aren’t sure will pass through or not. Only on GS. Lol.
Absolutely I'm sure someone from ISU responsible for the media relationships is reading our postsI guess we figure that if we wait for the proposal to pass it will be too late to gripe. So we have to take our shots now.
Threads will do this until summer competitions start. It's normal10 pages already for a proposal we aren’t sure will pass through or not. Only on GS. Lol.
An Euler (half-loop) is considered a non-listed jump, it will have no value when used in a jump combination between two listed jumps becomes and it will not be counted in the number of the allowed jumps of the concerned jump combination with the value indicated in the Scale of Value. An Euler jump cannot be included in the jump combination of the Short Program. An Euler (half-loop) can only be executed once in Free Skating.
Nor will the proposal limiting jumps to three of the same, no matter the number of revolutions, to cut down on repetitiveness. So, for instance, just three toe loops, whether single, double, triple or quadruple.
I didn't see anything about reduction of jumps in the proposal. And let's remember that proposal does NOT equal it's going to happen. Just like a bill does not equal a law. Could turn into one. But they're not one in the same.
If for sure that is a proposal, then I hope all the members do the right thing and vote NO. There's ZERO reason to change it during the midpoint of an Olympic cycle. ZERO. It makes zero sense to change the amount of jumps. It was changed 6 years ago. No need to do it so soon. Or again. What's the point? Stop changing the scoring system so soon. Whoever created the idea must have been on something that altered their mind.
Why I seldom watch the singles events anymore. So many of the skaters I see discussed and analyzed here are just names to me because I've never actually seen them skate. When I do watch a bit, I end up turning down the sound because it annoys me when their music has no connection to what they're doing, as if they only play some music while they jump because the rules say they have to.Well, I hope they change it, even if the timing is indeed not great - but it's worth trying to reduce the number of jumps and get better programs. How many great free skates do we see? As in, actual programs, not jump drills? The percentage isn't high and the hope is that this would improve choreo, harmony and versatility of programs.
I could come up with this idea easily and I'm not on anything but sometimes coffee.