Jason Brown

[Tavi...]

I might have yelled a "NO!" at my phone when I got to that part of my twitter feed this morning. But I am glad it is not serious, and that they are making sure even that minor injury is looked after properly.

But can we please not quad-bash? We don't know for sure that he hurt it jumping. For all we know, maybe Rohene had him trying some crazy new spiral position or a crazy new spin position. I've always hated the emphasis on crazy catch-foot positions in the camel, and have always thought it would cause back injuries - though granted, I'd have picked Max to be the one to hurt himself on a catch-foot and not Jason.

And now I have the mental image of emo Joshua plucking out emo songs on his guitar and Jason listening and suggesting new less-emo lyrics while they're both injured.

There have been times in the past, eg during Prince, when I've noticed him using his free hand to support his lower back during his catch foot spins, and also that the position of the spin was a bit more horizontal and less upright than the one he's been doing for the past 2 seasons. So you may be on to something.

But I think it could also be that he's really been pushing himself since last July - not just to land the quad, but to do both programs clean. Remember what Kori said about him putting heavy expectations on himself last year? I think he could be doing it again this year. He's the defending US champ. He's said publicly he wants to win another title. He said his goal was to make GPF this year. But to date, even though he's medaled at all 3 events, his skates have been....messy. He's had a lot of < on 3A and other jumps and ! on both flip and lutz. That's got to be tough on him, especially given how well Max and others have been skating. I think that kind of stress can make injury more likely to happen.

 

[ice coverage]

... And now I have the mental image of emo Joshua plucking out emo songs on his guitar and Jason listening and suggesting new less-emo lyrics while they're both injured.

And I know that your image includes their longtime bat-friend/protector outside the window watching over them .

Best to Jason (and Josh).

 

[StitchMonkey]

And I know that your image includes their longtime bat-friend/protector outside the window watching over them .

Best to Jason (and Josh).

dangling upside down doing so he can do sit ups against gravity.

 

[yuzushenko]

im so sad to hear about jason. i know he really loves japan and he was really excited to go to NHK</3

also i really wanted to see how his PCS would stack up against yuzuru. i think jason definitely deserves a higher transition mark than yuzuru! and depending on how the performance goes, if it's magic and yuzu is full of falls, i think jason would edge him there too. and in choreography possibly. lol i was just really excited to see their PCS compared in the same competition before worlds.

 

[Seren]

But can we please not quad-bash? We don't know for sure that he hurt it jumping. For all we know, maybe Rohene had him trying some crazy new spiral position or a crazy new spin position. I've always hated the emphasis on crazy catch-foot positions in the camel, and have always thought it would cause back injuries - though granted, I'd have picked Max to be the one to hurt himself on a catch-foot and not Jason.

Excellent point, we don't know how he hurt himself, and not all injuries are acute. The extreme back extension and twisting positions skaters go into when they spin and with certain spirals can be just as stressful on the body as a bad fall. Either way, the important thing is that he works on getting better. Withdrawing is probably wise at this point, his shot at making the final isn't great unless he really delivers at NHK and if he isn't 100% why go and risk further injury when the injury limits what he can do anyways. One competition won't affect him in the long run, it's more important to rest and recover.

 

[StitchMonkey]

....and Josh broke silence regarding Jason.

https://twitter.com/joshDfarris/status/668241795126439937

I can 100% empathize with @jasonbskates right now. You'll bounce back in no time!! Literally a perfect example of my last tweet, guys.​

 

[Mrs. P]

So was Josh referring to Jason then in his previous tweet? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like Jason just affirmed his view point.

ETA: That is very sweet of Josh to encourage Jason. I like the healthy friendship/rivralry they've had over the years.

 

[cheerknithanson]

....and Josh broke silence regarding Jason.

https://twitter.com/joshDfarris/status/668241795126439937

I can 100% empathize with @jasonbskates right now. You'll bounce back in no time!! Literally a perfect example of my last tweet, guys.​

Bromance!

 

[el henry]

So was Josh referring to Jason then in his previous tweet? Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like Jason just affirmed his view point.

ETA: That is very sweet of Josh to encourage Jason. I like the healthy friendship/rivralry they've had over the years.

I read this as Jason is a perfect example of Josh's tweet ( paraphrasing) that quads and quad attempts are injuring too many skaters. Going from memory here, I know it's not a precise quote.
I love me our SnuggleBat (Max), but I agree. My fav (clean) program from US men this year: Ross Miner's SP. Jason had yet to skate his programs at their best..... No quads.
That said, Jason's unearthly spin positions do have injury potential as well....

 

[karne]

And I know that your image includes their longtime bat-friend/protector outside the window watching over them .

Best to Jason (and Josh).

Oh, but of course! :yes:

dangling upside down doing so he can do sit ups against gravity.

Well, those abs don't maintain themselves.

I read this as Jason is a perfect example of Josh's tweet ( paraphrasing) that quads and quad attempts are injuring too many skaters. Going from memory here, I know it's not a precise quote.
I love me our SnuggleBat (Max), but I agree. My fav (clean) program from US men this year: Ross Miner's SP. Jason had yet to skate his programs at their best..... No quads.
That said, Jason's unearthly spin positions do have injury potential as well....

I understand Joshua's frustration - which is probably exacerbated by the prolonged time off the ice - but I couldn't help but feel sad for Max when I read both tweets. Max has heard it enough times from those who hate him; I am sure he doesn't need to hear it from his friends. And his programs this season are so great - and his jumps themselves are artistry.

I suppose Joshua probably knows more than us about Jason's injury, so maybe it was the jumps that caused it, but I am still inclined to point the finger first at Jason's spins, rather than his jumps, for a back strain.

 

[Tavi...]

Obviously we don't know how much inside knowledge Josh has about Jason's injury, but according to FSU user Willin, recently published research on jumping injuries supports Josh's perspective on overtraining. Willin's thread is titled "Tough Training Regimens are Harming Skaters."

Geek that I am, I took a look at some of the linked articles in Willin's thread; since some of them are behind pay walls, I also did a google search and found those articles as well as others. From what I, a non-expert, was able to understand, as relevant to Jason: overuse injuries are more common than acute injuries; lower back injuries are extremely common among figure skaters, and both jump landings (where the skater may arch back and extend leg for aesthetic reasons) and extreme spin / spiral positions can factor in. So there you go.

Also of interest, though not directly related to Jason, another FSU user linked to an interesting NBC Sochi video about the demands of the quad featuring Evan L, Max and Ross:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwnoUheLLZc

(As an aside, the link was posted by twizzlesizzle, a poster I don't normally associate with informative posts, but I really enjoyed this clip so thanks to him/her for posting it.)

Finally, thanks to Golden for linking to Jason's 3-part radio interview. Nothing really new, and injury not discussed, but worth a listen. I enjoyed the first segment particularly. Be warned that it's a local show and the host talks a lot! Jason says he will definitely continue til 2018 and maybe - but not definitely - beyond that. Interesting to see how he handled the interview and this host.

 

[alexg]

I suppose Joshua probably knows more than us about Jason's injury, so maybe it was the jumps that caused it, but I am still inclined to point the finger first at Jason's spins, rather than his jumps, for a back strain.

The tweet was favorited by one of Jason's training mates (Luke, who's injury may have been the inspiration for Josh's original tweet), so while I wouldn't rule out a spin injury, I think a jump injury is far more likely.

 

[TMC]

I understand Joshua's frustration - which is probably exacerbated by the prolonged time off the ice - but I couldn't help but feel sad for Max when I read both tweets. Max has heard it enough times from those who hate him; I am sure he doesn't need to hear it from his friends. And his programs this season are so great - and his jumps themselves are artistry.

I suppose Joshua probably knows more than us about Jason's injury, so maybe it was the jumps that caused it, but I am still inclined to point the finger first at Jason's spins, rather than his jumps, for a back strain.

I'm sorry but I'm confused - what was it in Josh's tweets that could be construed as "telling" Max anything? Or have I missed some other tweets? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely confused as to how those tweets could be read as an attack against Max by his friends?

 

[musicfan80]

Bromance!

As much as I respect how genuinely friendly the Colorado Springs area male skaters appear to be with each other, I don't get a "bromance" vibe from Jason & Josh. I can't see either one being each other's wingman. (And while we are at it - Max is even less likely with either guy. Too many differences in personalities).

If anything, Jason's bromie is probably Jordan Moeller and Josh's is probably Joe Johnson.

I suppose Joshua probably knows more than us about Jason's injury, so maybe it was the jumps that caused it, but I am still inclined to point the finger first at Jason's spins, rather than his jumps, for a back strain.

The tweet was favorited by one of Jason's training mates (Luke, who's injury may have been the inspiration for Josh's original tweet), so while I wouldn't rule out a spin injury, I think a jump injury is far more likely.

It may not be as simple as either jumps or spins - it could be a combination of both. I'm sure trying to master any different and more difficult skills can cause strain on your body. While it is probably more the jumping, I do think practicing some of those spins could have made the strain worse. I have also wondered how much Jason's schedule could have contributed - if you are traveling and competing more, are you getting the off-ice/conditioning/therapy your body may need?

 

[Tavi...]

Can't speak to the others, but I actually get the feeling that Jason and Max like each other a lot, despite the fact that they're direct rivals. Take a look at pictures of the two of them from Skate America, especially the medal ones. This is my favorite:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bell_canon/status/658618889127882752/photo/1

 

[karne]

The tweet was favorited by one of Jason's training mates (Luke, who's injury may have been the inspiration for Josh's original tweet), so while I wouldn't rule out a spin injury, I think a jump injury is far more likely.

Lukas Kaugars also favourited it, and he had a big injury last year, so I'm guessing Josh is venting about a common feeling, perhaps?

I'm sorry but I'm confused - what was it in Josh's tweets that could be construed as "telling" Max anything? Or have I missed some other tweets? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely confused as to how those tweets could be read as an attack against Max by his friends?

It just rubbed me the wrong way, particularly the part about "calling it figure skating anymore is debatable"...I'm sure Josh wouldn't have deliberately said anything that he knew might hurt Max, but the way it came across was carbon-copy of all the rubbish bunk that people hurl at Max, that he's only a jumper, that he's not artistic, that what he does isn't figure skating...

Of course, we don't know Max's thoughts on the subject. For all we know he might agree.

 

[TMC]

Can't speak to the others, but I actually get the feeling that Jason and Max like each other a lot, despite the fact that they're direct rivals. Take a look at pictures of the two of them from Skate America, especially the medal ones. This is my favorite:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bell_canon/status/658618889127882752/photo/1

Also, Jasons profile pic was for ages, and I think is currently as well, a fun photo of himself and Max (and a couple of girls) having a great time on a beach somewhere...I seem to remember it was San Fran? If Jason didn't consider Max a pal, I don't think Max would feature in such a prominent place on his FB page .

 

[ice coverage]

Also, Jasons profile pic was for ages, and I think is currently as well, a fun photo of himself and Max (and a couple of girls) having a great time on a beach somewhere...I seem to remember it was San Fran? If Jason didn't consider Max a pal, I don't think Max would feature in such a prominent place on his FB page .

:agree:

The photo that Jason uses for his FB profile shows Max, Jason, Hannah M, and Sammi C on the beach with the Golden Gate Bridge in the bkgd:

https://www.facebook.com/IceDreamsT...=56F3ED2F&size=960,640&fbid=10152357000246953​

It is from the Ice Dreams Tour in Oakland in June 2013.
Jason and Max are shown in another favorite photo of karne's and mine from the same tour. If what is seen here is not a bro hug, I don't know what is.

https://www.facebook.com/IceDreamsT...=56F5343C&size=640,960&fbid=10152356999576953​

The full photo album from the tour (165 photos):

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152356998531953.1073741830.358647151952&type=3​

 

[karne]

I guess I'm just a little sensitive this week. Sorry. :sad21:

Every cloud has a silver lining. Perhaps some great good will come out of this. :yes:

And perhaps in more ways than one.

 

[noskates]

I was at Ice Dreams and talked to the guys before the show. They were standing out in the lobby just chatting with each other. I think that group of men all like each other. They're competitive on the ice but friendly off the ice. They've pretty much skated with and against each other for quite awhile now. And when you tour or do a show together of course there will be cameraderie.