Judges and GoE (analysis of Worlds)

[antmanb]

If you really want to delve, here is the ISU document that spells out in great detail exactly what you have to do to get a +2 or +3, etc. (In principle.)

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-169439-186657-94938-0-file,00.pdf

The descriptions are pretty flawed though so maybe the judges can't be to blame as much as the writers of the criteria - there are very specific erros and problems filled in the -GOE part but for the +GOE part there's nothing of any substance.

They might as well say "In order for a positive GOE to be assigned to an element the skater should be generally held in high regard by the figure skating community (either by holding a world or olympic medal), be capable of doing the element well in practice and largely hits the element well in competition. Alternatively if the skater's surname ends in enko or aya then it may be assumed that they do most things well and +GOEs be handed out all over the place."

My criteria may need amending as skaters retire and new ones become the unstoppable machine...

I am of course largely joking but the point about the criteria for +GOE being fluffy BS with no real examples is true. The +GOE needs proper examples e.g.

- if the skater skates in the jump faster than average +1
- if the skater jumps with an arm or two over their head +1
- if the skater jumps in the Biellmann position +3

etc etc

Until they do this the judges will only risk giving +2 or +3 to a skater if they are Evgeni Pluschneko. I'd like the writers of the criteria to explain to me what else johnny weir can do to his 3A/3T to get a +3 cos to me there's no-one out there who does it better...short of jumping in the Biellmann position, what can he do?

Ant

 

[Ptichka]

Mathman, thanks for the link! I think this document does explain a lot - it only details how to deduct, not how to reward! It's almost like whoever was writing this was stuck in the 6.0 system. I think they certainly need to now make it clear how to reward as well.

Until they do this the judges will only risk giving +2 or +3 to a skater if they are Evgeni Pluschneko. I'd like the writers of the criteria to explain to me what else johnny weir can do to his 3A/3T to get a +3 cos to me there's no-one out there who does it better...short of jumping in the Biellmann position, what can he do?

As I said before, the system does seem to work better for pairs. Teams such as Dube & Davison and Volozhar & Morozov got good GoE.