Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[lavender]

Why are people telling Brian to shut up. It's just different articles from a bunch of different sources that continue to write articles with what they deem significant. However, should he not respond if ask. I guess he could be quiet...I don't know. I'm over it....both parties look a lil shady imo. All of this conflicting stories make your head spin.

 

[prettykeys]

Why are people telling Brian to shut up. It's just different articles from a bunch of different sources that continue to write articles with what they deem significant.

Um, no it's not. Hersh said he called on Wednesday night and got more from Orser.

It's still Wednesday night.

...

 

[Johnnnn]

Oh please, Brian was the one who went to every major news agency and dissing her mom and led everyone to believe that she is some sort of crazy obsessed figureskating mom. Even if we assume that her mom was somewhat disrespectful to Orser he should work it out with her personally whether than going crazy on the media, knowing that Yuna's side is not capable of doing the same. I'm glad that she is defending her mom. That's what a daughter should do. If he is so clueless about why Yuna ended the relationship with him, then go talk to her, I mean she is right there in the club.

 

[MrBerkeley]

The culture I describe is one that exists between close and loving friends. The realistic culture you describe and one I'm fairly acquainted with is one I have with acquaintances or enemies. Tell the truth fast and hard so you don't take a hit for something you're innocent for... its colder and with the expectation that they're your enemy until proven otherwise. Brian and Yuna were obviously close. They're hitting themselves with this. I don't think judging from Brian's tone that he considers Yuna an enemy. Which means he needs to really think about what he's doing; I think he's gotten so emotionally involved he's not thinking straight.

You mention that Brian is entitled to telling his story. Absolutely. This is not about telling his story. He's told it. Its about continually defending his story and making sure his story wins out which is not consistent with his statements that he loves her (well technically it is so I guess I should backtrack on this). His grievances > her pain right now.

Basically, those who will believe Brian will believe Brian is not a liar. Those who believe Yuna believes Yuna is not a liar. Those who are like me will wait. Those who don't care won't ever care. No need to keep defending point for point is what I'm saying.

Entitlement to speak has nothing to do with my point. Legal, civil, cultural rights is not my point. I am saying Yuna and Brian should NOT be talking in LEGAL terms. That is about AS LOW ON THE RUNG OF RELATIONSHIPS that you can go. That is how I deal with my worst enemies because I don't love them enough to reach out to them.

I was born and raised in America my entire life. I am well aware of the "legal" rights we have. The fact the word LEGAL RIGHT is even in this discussion is a SHAME. I do not talk with my friends quoting legal terms and I should hope most of America does not either.

I won't be commenting on this anymore because I doubt it needs to be rehashed and its obviously ruffling some feathers. Because, you guessed it, won't make a difference. I'm probably guilty of talking about this too much already. Bad me! Bad! (Edit: Not trying to make fun of anybody, just trying to lighten the mood).

 

[lavender]

Both sides not looking so great so it's done...

 

[prettykeys]

MrBerkeley, I agree with everything in your last post.

There is a lot of murkiness on both sides' stories, as far as I can tell. I don't think either side is 100% right or wrong, and they still seem like good peoples. :x

 

[bekalc]

Bottom line to me, is that Yuna's management has not done a good job in handling this situation and representing her. The story they have put out doesn't make sense either. I don't think Brian said anything inappropriate - he was just telling his side of the story, which he is entitled to. If Yuna wants to tell her side, then give an interview and give details. It doesn't clear anything up to call Brian a liar and say that you don't want to discuss specifics. Either way, as long as she switches her management and environment, I think everyone will be able to move on!

But Brian has said his side of the story over and over again. Did it ever occur to you that for the most part Yu-na doesn't want to go into it. Maybe its actually a form of loyalty that Yu-na doesn't want to tell the world all of the gory details of why she doesn't want to be coached by Brian anymore.

If Brian truly believes this is Yu-na's mother than going into her mother was sure to have to make Yu-na side against him. Because its her mom, that put Yu-na then in an extremely difficult spot. Why do it? Why just not say the break up is over.

There's a feeling of vindictiveness here I love You Skate. Yu-na ended my relationship with me, so I'm going to ensure she can't work with David. Going to ensure that everyone hears about how rude her management is. Its not necessary. And it makes him look unprofessional if that's how he handles break ups.

And I'm going to say this too, there's also a realistic culture that says its not a good idea to burn bridges, and its always a good idea to be seen as someone who is professional and can keep their mouth shut. I.e being seeing as someone who takes the high road when break ups and professional relationships end, is a good thing for any person in a profession. How are Brian's other students suppose to feel, if I end my coaching relationship with Brian in a way he doesn't like or feels justified, is Brian going to go the press and tell the press every last thing I've done wrong? Or even students considering working with Brian?

 

[Johnnnn]

He gave MANY interviews to MANY different people and even appeared on TV this morning saying how shocked he was but doing some damage control, saying nice things about Yuna and her mom (altho it was too late).
Maybe when he woke up this morning he realized what he has done or he just simply wanted to get sympathy from other Canadians, knowing that Canadians will stand by his side.
It is funny how the same guy the day before was complaining about how underpaid he was and how he charges only 550bucks a week for coaching while other coaches at his level gets 5~30percent of skater's income (so he think he deserves 3 million for 2009?). He also changed his story few times.

 

[prettykeys]

There's a feeling of vindictiveness here I love You Skate.

teehee.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Can you please post links where you feel he changes his story, Johnnnn? And where he said he felt underpaid.

bekalc, I'd be interested if that were the case, but I don't see how that fits the narrative as presented thus far. The "liar" comment in particular pretty much contradicts that basic notion.

 

[MrBerkeley]

I'd put a bet the whole thing comes to a resolution by the end of the week.

#1. Silence. Not a squeak. Done deal. Thumbs up.
#2. Explanation given finally on both ends but then its a "we'll agree to disagree" sort of thing and silence. Done deal. Thumb down.
#3. Crash and burn (if not already). "Yuna gets pressured out of Cricket Club" headtitles adding to PR nightmare for both parties. I'm already wincing at the "Orser is a liar" headlines (would be nice though if Yuna stepped up to this and said," regardless of what is true or not, I twittered out of emotion and wish I can take back the twitter"...)

 

[prettykeys]

^ OK. It doesn't seem like a bid deal, though.

I agree, it's not a big deal, but I also agree with the principle. Let her unveil her program when she's ready to. I wouldn't rave and explain in detail about a friend's wonderful work of art before the friend could show or describe it herself. It's hers, she should get that pleasure.

I think Orser wanted to say nice things about her and her new program as a sign of continuing good will, but a briefer "It's lovely" would have sufficed, too, no?

Ugh, anyway, I am really sad at the hateful things being tossed to all the parties. None of them deserve it, especially not by splitting hairs on these sorts of things.

 

[MrBerkeley]

He gave MANY interviews to MANY different people and even appeared on TV this morning saying how shocked he was but doing some damage control, saying nice things about Yuna and her mom (altho it was too late).
Maybe when he woke up this morning he realized what he has done or he just simply wanted to get sympathy from other Canadians, knowing that Canadians will stand by his side.
It is funny how the same guy the day before was complaining about how underpaid he was and how he charges only 550bucks a week for coaching while other coaches at his level gets 5~30percent of skater's income (so he think he deserves 3 million for 2009?). He also changed his story few times.

Brian Orser did not complain about his rates. He defended against any coming accusations it was over money. I don't think Brian said anything wrong, just that he should stop probably stop talking (although I understand if its out of pain. I just KNOW its going to be something you regret and its going to haunt him for a long time).

 

[Johnnnn]

I don't get this last criticism of Orser. Is Kim's choice of music some kind of secret?

Orser HIMSELF said how important it is to keep everything secret until it is done and her program is still in progress. Also, Yuna used to practice at the rink with the earphones on so that others can't hear her music and tell everyone before she is ready to announce it. This could be the great news to Koreans and Yuna probably wanted to surprise everyone when she was ready and Brian totally blew it. It can be his way of telling her "get out of my rink your secret is no longer safe here" I guess because he already publicly said she should leave the club.

 

[prettykeys]

Johnnnn, man. I totally do not get that kind of spiteful vibe from Orser. I feel like he wanted to compliment YuNa...he desperately wanted something nice to say, and it provided material to do so. I agree that it should have been YuNa's privilege first, but it's such a minor thing to be mad at him for... :disapp:

 

[janetfan]

And as for her leaving the Cricket Club. She does need to but shouldn't she be allowed to finish her programs, at least the long program first. Maybe I guess she should just leave but if she paid for the programs etc.

Goodness gracious Beka. Toronto is the skating capitol of the world. I did not mean to suggest Yuna should leave Toronto without finishing up work on her new programs. I think for her own good as well as the other young skaters at the Cricket Club ATS should make arrangents for some ice time at one of Toronto's many rinks so Yuna can finish up her new programs.

Wouldn't that be better than having her crying at the Cricket Club? Truth be told, it sounds like Yuna might not even be in the best frame of mind to learn the new programs right now. Why not do her LA show and then return to Toronto and finish her programs?

 

[Johnnnn]

Brian Orser did not complain about his rates. He defended against any coming accusations it was over money. I don't think Brian said anything wrong, just that he should stop probably stop talking (although I understand if its out of pain. I just KNOW its going to be something you regret and its going to haunt him for a long time).

He is keep saying it is not a money issue and at the same time letting everyone know how Yuna underpays him and added that 5~30% commission comment as if that is what should've happened. He also says he loves Yuna blah blah but still can't stop talking. You know where i'm going with this.

 

[R.D.]

If Brian truly believes this is Yu-na's mother than going into her mother was sure to have to make Yu-na side against him. Because its her mom, that put Yu-na then in an extremely difficult spot. Why do it? Why just not say the break up is over.

Things get complicated, though, because her mother = her agency = her management. From a business point of view her mother handled things poorly, but you still have that bloodline relation, that motherly instinct to keep in mind. This is why I think having family (especially immediate family such as parents or siblings) represent you like that can backfire so hard. Emotions run wild and things can blow up in your face before you know it. You need someone who is professional and not partial to you in any manner to represent you. That way, the emotions stay behind closed doors- for the most part, anyway.

 

[MrBerkeley]

While I do agree with your points I have to note...

The word liar or lie is a loaded term.
Incorrect is NOT a loaded term because it doesn't imply anything about the speaker's character.

I'm wondering given the imperfect English and that it was probably on the spur of the moment whether she meant to imply he's a liar (purposeful) or if he's wrong (entirely different meaning there). Its just that the FOCUS of the tweet was the latter half and NOT the first half. "STOP TELLING PEOPLE IT WAS MY MOM's DECISION. MY DECISION" makes me think theres a possibility it was the second meaning of incorrect... well thats just me hoping the situation hasn't debilitated to that point though. If it has,

 

[Basics]

It looks more and more like Yuna's side just wanted to do business just like other skaters do, but Brian took it too personally and felt ditched, and now can't get over with it. I hope they talk to each other.