Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[prettykeys]

Fisrt, I really do think you are in the minority if you don't want your friends -- ex or otherwise -- to gush about your upcoming art show.

As for what I would have done... OK, so we are assuming that I was a teacher and had the most wonderful student in the world. That this student, under my direction, had achieved the pinnacle of distinction in our discipline. That I really, really liked this person and wished every happiness for her.

And then that somehow or other everything went sour and I found myself in the midst of a most unpleasant and unsought brouhaha...

I think I might say something like, "Yu-na is a terrific skater. I saw her LP in practice the other day. It's to the tune of Korean folk music. David really came up with a gem. It's quite a departure from her usual style and she really reaches new heights. I am so sorry for all this confusion and bad feeling. and I hope that we will be able to repair the bridges in the future."

So then you agree that naming the exact piece of music is not the way to go.

I am not talking about gushing. I am talking about descriptions and details. That is going too far, good intentions notwithstanding.

 

[emma]

Why on earth would Yuna be unduly deflated by this leak? I still don't get what the big deal is. Sure, it was wrong of Brian to disclose this, but really, what harm was done?

Well, I actually don't know if she is deflated or what her feelings might be, I was just trying to acknowledge she might have feelings on this issue....anyway, judging by all the enthusiasm this program/music choice has already sparked in a few short hours, I think this is a definite case of "good publicity" (so you are right, no obvious harm done). However, it's not the way the info should have come out...(and before this gets out of hand, I think I've tried to suggest that I feel for Orser, too, in this matter and like many people wish them all the very best).

 

[FlattFan]

She really needs to find new management! What are they going to charge him with, talking too much?? Also, this is Canada - it is very hard to sue someone here. Perhaps someone should tell that to AT Sports :disapp:

It's probably hard to sue someone in Canada, but it's easy to bark hollow litigious threats. Ask Ann Coulter. Before she landed in Canada, they threatened to sue her for potential hate speech. Language barrier, I tell you.

 

[Olympia]

Airirang is a beautiful beautiful piece of music. Probably intended as some symbolic gesture to her native Korea.

NY Phil Harmonic in North Korea (LoL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-OUt3IFlzk

Vocal by Ri Kyon Suk? (Somehow I think Orser will be using something closer to the link above then the one below although who knows)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FlXH9CGnvw&feature=related


Urgh the whole thing is so ugly compared to the music.

MrBerkeley, thanks so much for providing us with the beautiful lyrics and description of the song "Arirang." Whatever bad stuff happened on either side in this falling-out, it doesn't diminish the remarkable achievement that YuNa and Brian built together. I feel sure that her OGM could not have taken place if both sides had not put their hearts and souls into the effort. She's a truly extraordinary skating talent, and he was an uncommonly protective and savvy coach. They say that no one can hurt you as badly as someone you're close to, and this situation proves it. I'm really sorry for both of them, but what they did for each other--and for skating--will remain as amazing as it was on those nights in Vancouver. (Now, if NBC would just let YouTube post the performances, so I could watch them as often as I wanted....See? The TV network is the true villain in this!)

 

[skatinginbc]

I don't mean reasons for seperation. I meant they don't have good reasons to justify their unprofessional approach when firing a coach, not a regular coach, but a coach that put his sole and heart in and contributed significantly to Yuna's success. And it is this perceived disrespectful, insensitive approach that really hurt Brian.

I would like to emphasize my point: It is not so much about seperation. Every coach expects that their students will leave sooner or later, one day or another. But what is unexpected is that the student you put your heart and sole in just dumps you without a proper good-bye. And that hurts. And that is the central part of this whole mess. I will be always on Brian's side unless there is a good reason to justify that "hurtful" approach of Yuna's party.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Well, I actually don't know if she is deflated or what her feelings might be, I was just trying to acknowledge she might have feelings on this issue....anyway, judging by all the enthusiasm this program/music choice has already sparked in a few short hours, I think this is a definite case of "good publicity" (so you are right, no obvious harm done). However, it's not the way the info should have come out...(and before this gets out of hand, I think I've tried to suggest that I feel for Orser, too, in this matter and like many people wish them all the very best).

Apparently Aririang is a VERY symbolic piece of music in Korea. > than their national anthem maybe. I don't think this kind of good publicity compares to the kind of publicity there would have been at a grand revelation.

Its unfair to defend Orser on this one. Whether it had good effect or not, its basically an unnecessary thing to be said. "He overstepped" would be accurate. And leave it at that. "No harm done" is flat out untrue.

That's like if I told your Dad what your meaningful christmas gift to him was months before. Yeah he's happy about the news but it wasn't the right thing. Surprise ripped away. The full response to your gift ripped away (he'll be happy sure, may feign extra joy for your sake, but its lost a chunk of meaning and joy). Not at all right. Happiness or not.

The friend example is foreign to me. I do not want my friends to reveal that I got straight As to my parents before I do. That said, it would have to be particularly conniving for an ex friend to praise me to get back at me. Which i believe Orser is not.

I think Orser is a good guy and in NO WAY malicious. He ran his mouth though. End of story.

 

[colleen o'neill]

Ann Coulter...??. That's a bit OT. No, she wasn't threatened ( that's how she chose to portray it ), she was warned for her own benefit, since we have hate speech laws which the US does not, and the very extreme language she frequently uses with impunity at home could land her in trouble in Canada...

But the point is , that people who start legal sabre rattling across borders may not be aware of where they actually stand legally, and it could end up making them look pretty foolish.

 

[MrBerkeley]

I would like to emphasize my point: It is not so much about seperation. Every coach expects that their students will leave sooner or later, one day or another. But what is unexpected is that the student you put your heart and sole in just dumps you without a proper good-bye. And that hurts. And that is the central part of this whole mess. I will be always on Brian's side unless there is a good reason to justify that "hurtful" approach of Yuna's party.

You are on Brian's side but not on Brian's side at the same time. Sometimes when people fight, its out of hurt from love, not malice or anger. If you start attacking one of them to defend the other, you're only ripping the heart of the one you love. Let them duke it out. Understand Brian's heart and not his head right now. Same with Yuna. You're going at it without any regard for either party except what you would do in a fight between 2 groups of friends on a playground (or 2 gangs). (edit: not to say that isn't your right or anything and if you still feel that way, its your life and your choice).

Lack of respect is an excuse as to why Brian is REALLY hurting. He's hurting because he loved Yuna in the first place and feels betrayed (a very strong emotion and very subjective). And he can't find a way to stop hurting because he still loves her. So, let him figure it out. You punching Yuna in the mouth (in order to defend him) may not be what he "truly" wants. Your position (edit: rather) has become an enemy as he has become an enemy to himself (his true wish). AND FROM WHAT HE SAID ABOUT if Yuna comes back to him, he'd coach her again, I'd say that's what he wants but he hasn't himself come to terms with it yet in his own head.

Do people nowadays live by rights and wrongs? Heck you'd have no friends, no family, and only pets because pets don't "betray" (notice the word right there). I'd hate to think that.

 

[MrBerkeley]

MrBerkeley, thanks so much for providing us with the beautiful lyrics and description of the song "Arirang." Whatever bad stuff happened on either side in this falling-out, it doesn't diminish the remarkable achievement that YuNa and Brian built together. I feel sure that her OGM could not have taken place if both sides had not put their hearts and souls into the effort. She's a truly extraordinary skating talent, and he was an uncommonly protective and savvy coach. They say that no one can hurt you as badly as someone you're close to, and this situation proves it. I'm really sorry for both of them, but what they did for each other--and for skating--will remain as amazing as it was on those nights in Vancouver. (Now, if NBC would just let YouTube post the performances, so I could watch them as often as I wanted....See? The TV network is the true villain in this!)

I kind of hope she uses the music from the second not the first but that may just be the effect of the vocals. Absolutely agree with the above post. OGM is theirs both. Media is NOT YOUR FRIEND. Its job is to get the news out (dirt or not) to their readers (business).

 

[Mathman]

That's like if I told your Dad what your meaningful christmas gift to him was months before.

To me, that is exactly the level of "offense" that this whole seismic upheaval amounts to.

If you told my Dad about my Christmas gift, I would not be screaming in the newspapers about suing you. I would not be calling you a liar and a scoundrel. I would, in short, get over it.

 

[herro]

I've been refraining from saying about this situation, because it's turning out to be a "he said, she said" scenario in which we'll never find out the whole truth... at least probably not sometime soon. I will say, though, that I feel bad for Wilson at this point. Even moreso than Yuna and Brian, Wilson's in such an awkward position right now, especially after Orser disclosed Yuna's FS music. I can imagine that he probably feels bad right now because he's probably talked to Orser about Yuna's music. I hope nobody (ie. the press) puts the blame for the premature music disclosure on Wilson.

 

[skatinginbc]

You are on Brian's side but not on Brian's side at the same time. Sometimes when people fight, its out of hurt from love, not malice or anger. If you start attacking one of them to defend the other, you're only ripping the heart of the one you love. Let them duke it out. Understand Brian's heart and not his head right now. Same with Yuna. You're going at it without any regard for either party except what you would do in a fight between 2 groups of friends on a playground (or 2 gangs). (edit: not to say that isn't your right or anything and if you still feel that way, its your life and your choice).

Lack of respect is an excuse as to why Brian is REALLY hurting. He's hurting because he loved Yuna in the first place and feels betrayed (a very strong emotion and very subjective). And he can't find a way to stop hurting because he still loves her. So, let him figure it out. You punching Yuna in the mouth (in order to defend him) may not be what he "truly" wants. Your position (edit: rather) has become an enemy as he has become an enemy to himself (his true wish). AND FROM WHAT HE SAID ABOUT if Yuna comes back to him, he'd coach her again, I'd say that's what he wants but he hasn't himself come to terms with it yet in his own head.

Do people nowadays live by rights and wrongs? Heck you'd have no friends, no family, and only pets because pets don't "betray" (notice the word right there). I'd hate to think that.

Thanks for your response, so mature and so insightful. Thanks.

 

[Johnnnn]

To me, that is exactly the level of "offense" that this whole seismic upheaval amounts to.

If you told my Dad about my Christmas gift, I would not be screaming in the newspapers about suing you. I would not be calling you a liar and a scoundrel. I would, in short, get over it.

No one screamed lawsuit in the newpapers. Please tell Brian to get over it.

http://www.universalsports.com/blogs/blog=gofigure/postid=490379.html#orser+breaks+cardinal+rule

 

[Mathman]

...Please tell Brian to get over it.

Brian, get over it.

Whoever shuts up first will win this argument and make the other side look silly.

 

[Johnnnn]

I've been refraining from saying about this situation, because it's turning out to be a "he said, she said" scenario in which we'll never find out the whole truth... at least probably not sometime soon. I will say, though, that I feel bad for Wilson at this point. Even moreso than Yuna and Brian, Wilson's in such an awkward position right now, especially after Orser disclosed Yuna's FS music. I can imagine that he probably feels bad right now because he's probably talked to Orser about Yuna's music. I hope nobody (ie. the press) puts the blame for the premature music disclosure on Wilson.

No one will blame Wilson for anything. He is really the victim here because it's his business with his clients. He will definitely have second thoughts in the future before telling Brian such things.

 

[demarinis5]

Brian, get over it.

Whoever shuts up first will win this argument and make the other side look silly.

:thumbsup: Best post in this thread and on that note I am outta here. I feel like I am back
in high school... he said this, she said that, he violated her privacy, she called him a liar, etc. etc.

 

[MrBerkeley]

To me, that is exactly the level of "offense" that this whole seismic upheaval amounts to.

If you told my Dad about my Christmas gift, I would not be screaming in the newspapers about suing you. I would not be calling you a liar and a scoundrel. I would, in short, get over it.

I don't think there is any screaming in the newspapers about law suits. I haven't seen anything even now. Only that ATS will actually be using a lawyer for their statements and future interactions regarding this affair. Which I think is a good thing given how unprofessional they've sounded so far.

And Scoundrel? I hardly think anyone said that lol.

I would get over it too, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal, especially if Yuna really is the BIGGEST SYMBOL of Korea. I'd say Yuna is disappointed and will get over it in time. But for someone to say it wasn't a big deal is being unfair. You can't skate over what may have particular meaning (yeah I know I'm being annoyingly stubborn). Its a cringing moment, embarassing (as David Wilson put it kind of flabbergasting or astonished, etc) but I am FAIRLY certain it wasn't malicious the way it came off in the article. I didn't even notice it until it was noted he wasn't her coach anymore.

 

[herro]

Johnnnn, I totally agree with you that he is the victim. I'm just hoping that no one does blames him because he shouldn't be blamed - the media always slings mud on every single person involved.

UGH I stay away from skating since the Olympics, and the first thing I see when I come back is this whole fiasco.

 

[Tonichelle]

:thumbsup: Best post in this thread and on that note I am outta here. I feel like I am back
in high school... he said this, she said that, he violated her privacy, she called him a liar, etc. etc.

that's all anything involving celebrities is.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Johnnnn, I totally agree with you that he is the victim. I'm just hoping that no one does blames him because he shouldn't be blamed - the media always slings mud on every single person involved.

UGH I stay away from skating since the Olympics, and the first thing I see when I come back is this whole fiasco.

Nobody will. I think David's reputation will stand just fine. I do feel bad for him though because the only way Orser would have gotten to know about the program if Yuna really does listen with earphones in order to keep things secret from even the other skaters, it had to have been through David (who was NOT expecting Brian to go public CLEARLY). I still think skaters will believe him and to be frank its not THAT THAT big of a deal, just sort of if you want to make it.

I take hits like that all my life but if its important to them emotionally, its important I guess. Life is relative.