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[Daniel5555]

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A cultural kind of question, why yuna's mum has not the same surname as her?

It's just because they usually keep their surname after the marriage instead of changing it. And the children have the surname of the father.

 

[Johnnnn]

Another recurring theme is that everyone who works with or for Yuna is taking advantage of her.
Maybe this famous judgement of Ms Park is not all it is cracked up to be since David Wilson seems to be the only one she has hired in the last four years who has not been fired, released, downsized or surplussed.

There is a difference between firing and not renewing the contract. I don't see anything wrong with her fans defending her everywhere and for a good reason when someone is doing thousand interviews and putting nonsense into people's heads.
However, I agree with you on one thing. I don't know why no one fired that translator. Maybe they didn't know she sucks. I'm sure they do now

 

[janetfan]

There is a difference between firing and not renewing the contract. I don't see anything wrong with her fans defending her everywhere and for a good reason when someone is doing thousand interviews and putting

nonsense into people's heads. Also, why don't you comment on the other things that I posted btw?

I was too busy laughing at Aunt Joyce who often makes fun of skater's I like (Sasha) yet still makes me laugh.

But since you asked and seem to want facts - can you verify the "thousand interviews" ?
You were making a point so I understood what you meant. Similar courtesy and attempts at civilty are always a good thing.


Firing may have different meanings in various cultures. Brian said "I still don't know why I was fired." He means he is not able to continue a job he has done for the last four years. Call it what you like and please note I did use several different terms with my favorite being mathman's "downsized."

I don't see anything wrong with fans defending Yuna either. I obviously don't see anything wrong with wondering how this came about and was handled with such incompetence.

I have said many times I am a fan of Yuna's skating, think she handles herself very welll off the ice and has been very generous with the many charitable donations she has made.

I just don't believe in idol worship.

Remember it is the skaters first and then the coaches and/or choreographers most fans follow skating for. I am not a fan of Yuna's mom, or Mao's mom and hope to never hear about them again. I am not a fan of Danny Kwan who I think helped contribute not once but twice to Michelle not skating her best at the Olympics.

I don't care at all about Danny Kwan. I care about Michelle, Frank and Lori.

 

[vlaurend]

Ilunga, I appreciated your post as well, thank you. For the record, I don't think this mess can be blamed solely on cultural differences and language differences. Many Asian skaters have been coached by coaches who speak a different language and came from a different culture but this kind of thing did not happen when they switched coaches. I hate to use Mao Asada as an example because she is seen as YuNa's rival, but that is the first example that comes to mind. I don't recall this kind of media mess when she quit Rafael Arutunian and went to Tatiana Tarasova. Also, I was raised in Asia and now live in North America and I can honestly say that where skater and coach etiquette is concerned, there does not seem to be a big difference.

 

[R.D.]

^ So in that case, it's not so much about Korean culture as it is Team Yuna.

And still, I think culture differences/language barrier played a major role in this.

 

[janetfan]

I have to wonder about that RD.
t seems after four years of working together they should have been way past that by now. Yuna's English is not almost non-existent like it was when she first met Brian. Over the four years they have been through alot together and spent more hours together than we realize.

That is why it would puzzle me that after four years of survivng these dreaded "cultural differences" it would suddenly arise and rear it's ugly head.

Shock seems to be a key word to me and not cultural differences.
Brian appeared to be shocked when he was told his services would no longer be required.
ATS and Yuna seemed equally shocked when Brian did not keep it a secret.

Is that cultural? If it is I am not sure I see why. There most likely was a difference of opinions or ATS felt a new direction was necessary. Avoiding Brian for a few months and not answering his emails is not cultural and could be thought of as universally rude behavior after a four year relationship that culminated in the OGM.

So whatever it was seemed to cause a heck of lot more bad feelings that a miscommunication or the kind of cultural experience that was coped with very well over the previous four years.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Another recurring theme is that everyone who works with or for Yuna is taking advantage of her.
Maybe this famous judgement of Ms Park is not all it is cracked up to be since David Wilson seems to be the only one she has hired in the last four years who has not been fired, released, downsized or surplussed.

I forgot the dependable Ms Choi who threatened Brian with a new level of management.
I guess her translating and writing skills make her too valuable to terminate.

ETA: Some good insight and the typically hilarious comments from my "hero" Aunt Joyce:

http://auntjoycesicecreamstand.blogspot.com/

"Portrayed as an angel with archangels by her side, it is unfathomable that Queen Yu-Na does not indeed s _ _ t rainbows and ice cream."

"Yu-Na's supporters have been quite upset over the split and overwhelmingly dramatic everywhere they're able to leave a comment. They want the accusations to stop!"

"It has been so deliciously dramatic that it is amazing Russians weren't somehow involved."

He comes off as a bit snobbish, as accurate as he may be. Argh, he brought up MK/ FC lol. I wonder if MK and YK had a talk recently about the way things went down.

 

[R.D.]

Agreed, the snarks really aren't necessary.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Ilunga, I appreciated your post as well, thank you. For the record, I don't think this mess can be blamed solely on cultural differences and language differences. Many Asian skaters have been coached by coaches who speak a different language and came from a different culture but this kind of thing did not happen when they switched coaches. I hate to use Mao Asada as an example because she is seen as YuNa's rival, but that is the first example that comes to mind. I don't recall this kind of media mess when she quit Rafael Arutunian and went to Tatiana Tarasova. Also, I was raised in Asia and now live in North America and I can honestly say that where skater and coach etiquette is concerned, there does not seem to be a big difference.

Yeah but then Rafael didn't go to the press like Brian and instead of saying maybe something like parted ways said fired, which however accurate is a bit inflammatory. Also IMG professionally >>>>>> ATS.

I think Janetfan may have nailed the real reason a few posts back about ATS & shows. Its the first show Brian isn't a part of. Something happened after the first show? Creation of ATS? Maybe...

 

[gocaroline]

To me the Yuna/Brian team is so special and I was shocked to see this sudden bad turn. It's just not right the way the Yuna team end the coaching relationship, but at meantime I feel Brian didn't need to spill out every detail. Now I think maybe we as skating runs tend to idolize our star skater or coach and that's why we have all these feelings. But in reality all we have seen is just a pre-packaged presentation to sell the good image, it may have nothing to do with who they are in real life.

 

[janetfan]

He comes off as a bit snobbish, as accurate as he may be. Argh, he brought up MK/ FC lol. I wonder if MK and YK had a talk recently about the way things went down.

Perhaps Aunt Joyce isn't for eveyone, and might even be an acquired taste. Last year he was merciless to Sasha and I was not happy with his blog. Then I read something he wrote about Sasha that made me laugh so hard. I realized all skaters with the exception of the Kween are fair game with Aunt Jouce.

Here is something I was just looking at about Tiffany Chin. What a lovely freeskater she was and what an up and down career she had. The article talks about her mother and how Asian moms have taken "skating mom syndrome" to a new level.

http://auntjoycesicecreamstand.blogspot.com/2010/08/history-lesson-original-asian-wonder.html

Some interesting stuff and several good clips. The last one, a six minute fluff shows Ms Chin in action.
Poor Tiffany!

 

[ilfs]

Here is something I was just looking at about Tiffany Chin. What a lovely freeskater she was and what an up and down career she had. The article talks about her mother and how Asian moms have taken "skating mom syndrome" to a new level.

I do remember reading about Tiffany(wonderful skater) and her over-driven mother. Not sure if her experience has any relevance to Yuna and her Mom, as she comes across as reserved, more of a background business type who wants nothing more then the best for her daughter.

The biological connection is forever, coaches, friends, come and go. I really don't believe Orser leaving their partnership is in the end all that big deal, as it happens all the time in any sports(extreme case maybe Billy Martin/Steinbrenner). It was just unexpected and unclean.

 

[Tonichelle]

Nobody was more successful in skating field...in financial term...than Yuna...you know what?

put it in perspective to the times - twenty years ago she wouldn't be allowed to make money PERIOD while skating as an Olympic eligible. Skaters like Kurt Browning paved the way for that to happen.

also, in terms of how money is done in other countries - like the US - I think it'd put her on par with, say, Michelle Kwan - who was 'overpaid' as a skater (much like Yuna) but still waaaaaaaayyyyyyy lower than, say, Joe Montana (an american football player) or Michael Jordan (basketball).

 

[Tonichelle]

AGAIN: Personal issues with posters need to be taken off the board/stopped. Use the ignore feature, or better yet: MOVE ON. This should not have to be a repeated issue/offense.

 

[brownfox]

Wow. We have 1130 plus posts already?! Brian will be okay. He's still coaching Adam and Christina.

On the other hand, it's Yuna will suffer the most. Her sponsors are already thinking about not renewing her contracts. She will suffer if she turns pro. She will suffer if she continues and doesn't win again.

And to ATS and her mom, great job. :sheesh:

 

[YunaBliss]

Despite this unfortunate and less than ideal break-up, both Yuna and Brian's legacies over the past 4 years are secure. Nothing can undermine what they achieved together.

Also, I don't see Yuna suffering from this break-up anymore than Brian would. She is the No.1 Skater in the world, who will be seeking a new coach, and I have a feeling that many people will be lining up for this opportunity. Yes, there will be pressure for the new coach, but it will also come with unmatched exposure and prestige of coaching the biggest star in the sport.

And I wouldn't worry about Yuna's endorsements.. At least in Korea, Yuna is still way too popular for any sponsor to drop her. This is not like Tiger Woods committing adultery... it was a case of mishandled PR involving a coach who was upset about the break-up.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

put it in perspective to the times - twenty years ago she wouldn't be allowed to make money PERIOD while skating as an Olympic eligible. Skaters like Kurt Browning paved the way for that to happen.

also, in terms of how money is done in other countries - like the US - I think it'd put her on par with, say, Michelle Kwan - who was 'overpaid' as a skater (much like Yuna) but still waaaaaaaayyyyyyy lower than, say, Joe Montana (an american football player) or Michael Jordan (basketball).

Like Orser's stance I previously posted...Your opinion is 100% right.
1. Joe Montana and Michael Jordan made waaaaayyyyy more than Yuna.
2. Michelle Kwan was overpaid as a skater

But...

1. Football and basketball are waaaaayyyyy popular than skating.
2. Any BIG NAME sports stars are way overpaid than ordinary people.

What is so remarkable about Yuna...If you don't understand...
1. Nobody was more popular than Yuna in any sports in her country.
2. She made $9 million as a skater and ranked as #5 in world ranking in all women sports.

Michelle was popular only in skating world and shared the light with Sasha...Michelle as a champion...Sasha as a star.

Yuna has about... 20 million fans in Korea alone... in my estimation...as a champion and star.
You can argue ...most of them are not real skating fans...but I'll give you an example why it is important.

I never was a fan of the New York Yankees until I watched them on TV...get excited and became a real fan.

Yuna will make about 10 times more in total gross than Michelle when she reaches Michelle's age... 29 ...

 

[janetfan]

put it in perspective to the times - twenty years ago she wouldn't be allowed to make money PERIOD while skating as an Olympic eligible. Skaters like Kurt Browning paved the way for that to happen.

also, in terms of how money is done in other countries - like the US - I think it'd put her on par with, say, Michelle Kwan - who was 'overpaid' as a skater (much like Yuna) but still waaaaaaaayyyyyyy lower than, say, Joe Montana (an american football player) or Michael Jordan (basketball).

Putting it in perspective - Yuna is what - the 5th highest paid female athlete? That is impressive but not the best a skater has done.
Back in her day Janet Lynn signed the biggest contract ever offered to any female athlete in any sport . She was the #1 female athlete in earnings in the world and not #5.

I wouldn't be surprised in Dorothy Hamill achieved similar status or Peggy Fleming too - but not sure.

Tennis and golf are so much more popular than skating - and we also see players from S. America and Africa, places where skating is barely a blip on the radar.

I think it will be a long time before we see a skater earning more than the top athletes in the sports that are more so much popular than skating.

i agree with skatinganalist that Yuna is pretty unique. We haven't seen her earnings for this year and they should be higher since she won the OGM.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Putting it in perspective - Yuna is what - the 5th highest paid female athlete? That is impressive but not the best a skater has done.
Back in her day Janet Lynn signed the biggest contract ever offered to any female athlete in any sport . She was the #1 female athlete in earnings in the world and not #5.

I wouldn't be surprised in Dorothy Hamill achieved similar status or Peggy Fleming too - but not sure.

Tennis and golf are so much more popular than skating - and we also see players from S. America and Africa, places where skating is barely a blip on the radar.

I think it will be a long time before we see a skater earning more than athletes in the sports that are more so much popular than skating.

i agree with skatinganalist that Yuna is pretty unique. We haven't seen her earnings for this year and they should be higher since she won the OGM.

I'll agree with you 100% without any excuses...only if you can prove the fact...Janet was indeed the highest paid female athlete at the time.
What I'm 100% sure is...You really love Janet as much as I love Yuna.

 

[Daniel5555]

Another counterargument against "evil skating mother" theory - while it's true that Yuna's mother was the one who selected Brian, Yuna was the one who decided make him her full-time coach, while her mother wanted to return to Korea. That happened when Yuna was 16 years old, then why when Yuna is 19 years old it's suddenly her mother who controls this? Because Brian wants to see it that way?

Btw, I'm not really happy that I have to type the same thing again. I would like an explanation why my previous post which contained this content was deleted without any notice. Preferably via PM.