Ladies' SP

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Uh no. She has BOTH technical power + artistry. That's why she gets the such high scores. To say Yuna is a "mere" entertaintainer is a little condescending to say the least.

I was speaking of Personality - not technical prowess and artistry, and I never used the adjective "mere". I can think of several men who had personality, Candeloro, for one, but he did not have the Tech of his time yet he podiumed (on personality). Todd Eldridge had the technical power and aristry but not the personality.

Come to think of it, how many ladies can you name who have that "it" personality? but it is fleeting as everything else is in figure skating.

 

[wonderlen3000]

I think Asada 3A+2T deserved better GOE than +0.6. That's the best combo she landed so far this season, good speed in and out, and come on judges, how many lady landed this combo today?? It should get at least over +GOE.

 

[wonderlen3000]

Yuna: Just hand her the GOLD already. She can still pop or fall 2 jumps and still walk away with gold.

I think Marai should be in 4th place, and should have score at least 66+. She has great speed, good combo, and the best spins ans spirals of the ladies. She is going to get < in LP so if she can hang on to 6th or 7th position, that will be a treat for her.

Miki was very slow, compare to Japanese national, and cautious and thats pretty much kill her PCS mark. I would have keep her SP from last year, Chair Man's Waltz, program. That would have been the best SP for Olympics debute and she should have play safe with 3+2 or be smart and change her combo to 3Lz+3T as she is very capable good 3T jump. Go figure!!! Now she has to deliver better than last year world LP, and hope Asada and Rochett makes at least two mistakes to get a bronze.

Mao SP was great given the awful music, but at least she has a shot @ gold if Yuna makes mistakes so. But she still have to watch out for Rochett.

Rochett: What a emotional pefromance and great for her to keep it together.

Rachael: Her perfromance was slow and just 'FLAT'. She should looks @ Dennis Ten to see how to skate to 'sing sing sing'. lol

Elene: How did she land those 3T+3T with her gigantic boobs??? lol Clearly the best of the european lady that night.

 

[steyn]

I think Asada 3A+2T deserved better GOE than +0.6. That's the best combo she landed so far this season, good speed in and out, and come on judges, how many lady landed this combo today?? It should get at least over +GOE.

I think the low GOE is probably due to her second jump 2Toe. Even the Japanese TV commentators were worrying about it. In combo, both jumps should be excuted well to get high GOE. This is why combos are more difficult to get high GOE.

 

[lavender]

Mirai as she is skating now, yes. But recall that her state of mind, physical fitness and level of skating at this point last year probably would not have yielded a very good result at the World Championships. After all, she even withdrew, or rather, declined her invitation to Junior Worlds. I think the promising thing is that, if she and Rachael can continue to improve up to Worlds, they should have no trouble regaining that third spot.

You know I thought about that and for some reason I still think Mirai could have pulled off more than 3 triples but it's a what if thing.

 

[mcc]

I think Asada 3A+2T deserved better GOE than +0.6. That's the best combo she landed so far this season, good speed in and out, and come on judges, how many lady landed this combo today?? It should get at least over +GOE.

Mao was lucky Myriam, tech specialist, didn't downgrade 2T of the combo

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I think Asada 3A+2T deserved better GOE than +0.6. That's the best combo she landed so far this season, good speed in and out, and come on judges, how many lady landed this combo today?? It should get at least over +GOE.

I would agree with you, if you would tell me what was it about that 3A that deserved any kind of GoE. (Of course you know I am against plus GoEs.) The base values are enough to say that the jump was executed properly by its definition. Misstakes in the Take-offs, air rotations, and landings should appear as minus GoEs. I'm all for that) If the jump carries a particular accoutrement such as 'hands overhead', that should be counted toward skating skills in the PC scores.

What I saw from Mao's 3A was a well executed jump together with a well executed 2Toe. If there was more to it, what was it?

 

[FlattFan]

There was more to it based on what they gave Kim. If Kim got huge GOE for her barely rotated jumps, Mao should, too.

 

[Figure88]

There was more to it based on what they gave Kim. If Kim got huge GOE for her barely rotated jumps, Mao should, too.

Uh, have you seen Yuna's jumps?:

http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=9695868

 

[silverlake22]

Mirai was awesome, even though she looked a little upset. I know she wanted to do a 3-3 but she was still really good. I thought her score should have been a few points higher, but likely I think going so early kept her PCS down a bit. Happy Mirai made the final flight though, hopefully she will get more deserved PCS in the LP! Pimp spot for her, she's used to it now, skated well both times she had to go last at nationals and I don't think is really enough of a real podium threat here that she will be feeling lots of pressure. I bet she will deliver and do great, she is becoming a pretty consistent skater and as hard as it is to go last I'm just glad she doesn't have to skate after Mao or Yuna!

Rachael I thought was a little slow but she's cute and I liked her program.

Mao was awesome, nice 3a!

Yuna I felt was a little reserved but her jumps and everything else were gorgeous as usual. So happy she kept it together! But huge score, I thought she was going to be more like 75, but after Mao got 73 I realized it would be even higher.

Joannie rocked it, so proud of her! I thought the score was a little high but I've come to accept the Canadian bonus, she did do really well and after what she's been through I think it's ok her score was a bit massive.

Miki was a bit of a disappointment, normally she has a lot of fire and attack, she seemed a bit slow last night. Proud of her for going for the 3-3 even though it was downgraded. I don't think she's out of the medal hunt yet and I bet she will come back fighting in the LP.

Akiko was a little shaky but her strength is the LP so I think she will pull up a few slots after tomorrow, maybe finish as high as 6th. Love her west side story program!

Pleasantly surprised by the Euro ladies. So proud of Elene and Laura for landing their jumps! Alena looked like she really had fun out there and delivered a nice performance. I'm glad Kostner hung in there and didn't melt down, she really is a lovely skater it is too bad she gets so nervous. Ksenia was adorable and one to watch for Sochi. Kiira and Sarah had mistakes but I still liked their performances.

Overall a very enjoyable night, and not a lot of disappointments. I think it goes to show just how much you have to fling your body when doing quads and triple axels, and how much energy it uses up, and that's why there are a lot more mistakes in the men's event. Excited for the LP!

 

[screech]

I think Asada 3A+2T deserved better GOE than +0.6. That's the best combo she landed so far this season, good speed in and out, and come on judges, how many lady landed this combo today?? It should get at least over +GOE.

One of the things that makes a jump combination excellent is that the two jumps should be somewhat equal in height and flow. Mao's triple axel gets great height, but her double toe gets about 4 inches off the ice. She does use a lot of energy for the triple axel, but even though she's just doing a double toe afterwards she should put some more energy into that to get it to pop up into the air a bit more. If you compare that to the equal height and flow you see on the combos of Kim, Miki (even with the u/r, her 2nd jump still pops), Joannie - both jumps are much more equal in height and flow than Mao's.

 

[yunasashafan]

One of the things that makes a jump combination excellent is that the two jumps should be somewhat equal in height and flow. Mao's triple axel gets great height, but her double toe gets about 4 inches off the ice. She does use a lot of energy for the triple axel, but even though she's just doing a double toe afterwards she should put some more energy into that to get it to pop up into the air a bit more. If you compare that to the equal height and flow you see on the combos of Kim, Miki (even with the u/r, her 2nd jump still pops), Joannie - both jumps are much more equal in height and flow than Mao's.

Exactly. Besides, you have to take into account the long setup and lack of flow for Mao versus the high speed into Yuna's combo and her better flow out of it.

 

[Nadia01]

Exactly. Besides, you have to take into account the long setup and lack of flow for Mao versus the high speed into Yuna's combo and her better flow out of it.

Let's not forget difficult transitions in and out of her jumps.

IIRC Mao dumbed down some transitions in her SP & LP to make it easier to do 3As, didn't she?

 

[ehdtkqorl123]

Just curious.. I have seen many recent videos where Kwan, Yamaguchi, Witt and some legendary skaters praising Yu-Na for her technicality and artistry (you can easily find them on youtube) but few about Mao. On the other hand, on the internet forum, I see some fans always complaining about Yu-Na. Why is that there seems to be a huge gap of perspectives between these legendary athlets and fans? Because these fans are experts in CoP but these athletes are still used to 6.0?

 

[bmelanie]

Let's not forget difficult transitions in and out of her jumps.

IIRC Mao dumbed down some transitions in her SP & LP to make it easier to do 3As, didn't she?

Perhaps in her LP, but I thought the transitions before and after the 3F were great. Perhaps not as much for the 3A combo, but it is such a huge jump.

 

[Nadia01]

Just curious.. I have seen many recent videos where Kwan, Yamaguchi, Witt and some legendary skaters praising Yu-Na for her technicality and artistry (you can easily find them on youtube) but few about Mao. On the other hand, on the internet forum, I see some fans always complaining about Yu-Na. Why is that there seems to be a huge gap of perspectives between these legendary athlets and fans? Because these fans are experts in figure skating but these athletes are not?

:thumbsup:

 

[Nadia01]

Perhaps in her LP, but I thought the transitions before and after the 3F were great. Perhaps not as much for the 3A combo, but it is such a huge jump.

I didn't mean she dumbed down everything ,but for 3As. She hardly did anything before attempting 3As.

I don't think that helps w/ her GOE.

 

[Spun Silver]

Just curious.. I have seen many recent videos where Kwan, Yamaguchi, Witt and some legendary skaters praising Yu-Na for her technicality and artistry (you can easily find them on youtube) but few about Mao. On the other hand, on the internet forum, I see some fans always complaining about Yu-Na. Why is that there seems to be a huge gap of perspectives between these legendary athlets and fans? Because these fans are experts in CoP but these athletes are still used to 6.0?

Because we remember how fabulously perfect Mao was only a couple of seasons ago and are waiting for her to show the world who she is again. All she needs is new music, new costumes, and a new coach. hwell:

 

[silverlake22]

Because we remember how fabulously perfect Mao was only a couple of seasons ago and are waiting for her to show the world who she is again. All she needs is new music, new costumes, and a new coach. hwell:

Mao was great last night. I mean, yeah, Yuna is better, but Yuna is better than everyone and Mao is almost as good. I think Mao should be proud of herself! Hope all the ladies keep it together in the LP!

 

[Spun Silver]

Mao was great last night. I mean, yeah, Yuna is better, but Yuna is better than everyone and Mao is almost as good. I think Mao should be proud of herself! Hope all the ladies keep it together in the LP!

You're absolutely right (about Mao being great last night), and last night she already triumphed over major obstacles. Go, Mao!

I just think that in her top form she'd make people think twice before calling Yu Na the "queen."