Similar to Lambiel, no? (And this isn't rhetorical, I really don't know.)
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Similar to Lambiel, no? (And this isn't rhetorical, I really don't know.)
Yes, he is in the same league with Buttle as far as mistake filled programs still getting high scores and winning medals.
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I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. Picking a name at randon, I just looked up Justine Henin's schedule for last year. She participated in 10 tournaments, including the four majors. Tournaments last from one to two weeks. There are maybe four matches or so per tournament, and each match last two hours.
Golfer Tiger Woods has "cut down his schedule" to only 8 events in 2008. Each tournament has fours rounds in four days, each round taking three hours or more.
Figure skaters compete four or five times a year and skate for 7 minutes. Poor babies.
To me, this just implies how much he was overmarked at the US nationals for unknown reasons.
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Lambiel has skated clean LPs:
2001 Europeans LP
2002 Europeans LP
**started regularly attempting quads and 3Axels in all phases of competition and suffered serious injuries from training them, often missing Grand Prix Series**
2003 Worlds Qualifying
2004 Worlds Qualifying
2004 Worlds LP
2005 Worlds Qualifying
2006 Worlds Qualifying
2006 Worlds LP (if Takahashi's LP at 4CC is being claimed as clean, then so was this skate by Lambiel, only a 2-footed landing on a 3loop.)
Stephane has been attempting Quads in both short programs and long programs in all his competitions since 2003. Jeffrey did not begin attempting them until 2006 and Johnny did not attempt them until 2007, and still they only have attempted them at Olympics or Worlds and only in the long program, so I don't think one can fairly compare their rate of consistency when one is clearly performing much more difficulty than the other two.
Lambiel has never received a medal internationally that he didn't earn. I can't think of one time he was out-skated by a skater who deserved to place higher than him when weighing BOTH the SP and the LP and when weighing both technical merit and presentation.
2001 Europeans LP
2002 Europeans LP
**started regularly attempting quads and 3Axels in all phases of competition and suffered serious injuries from training them, often missing Grand Prix Series**
2003 Worlds Qualifying
2004 Worlds Qualifying
2004 Worlds LP
2005 Worlds Qualifying
2006 Worlds Qualifying
2006 Worlds LP (if Takahashi's LP at 4CC is being claimed as clean, then so was this skate by Lambiel, only a 2-footed landing on a 3loop.)
Stephane has been attempting Quads in both short programs and long programs in all his competitions since 2003. Jeffrey did not begin attempting them until 2006 and Johnny did not attempt them until 2007, and still they only have attempted them at Olympics or Worlds and only in the long program, so I don't think one can fairly compare their rate of consistency when one is clearly performing much more difficulty than the other two.
Lambiel has never received a medal internationally that he didn't earn. I can't think of one time he was out-skated by a skater who deserved to place higher than him when weighing BOTH the SP and the LP and when weighing both technical merit and presentation.
Lysacek's performance at Nationals was overmarked. ALL Nationals overmark. But his Nationals performance, as imperfect as it was, was much, much better than the crapola he put on the ice in Korea.
That performance stands out as perhaps the worst of his career. He landed 5 clean triples and only one combination. Even his footwork was ho-hum.
That's why Jeff Buttle was able to beat him by less than a point. Which right there isn't exactly a compliment to Buttle's skating, either.
Maybe this is an explanation (although it´s not Johnny`s!)
Johnny Weir Journal Entry February 15th:
"Several weeks after New Year I traveled to US Nationals in Saint Paul. Before leaving I was very well prepared. I felt strong and confident that I could fight for my title again. Three days before my departure, New Jersey became very cold. I don't know what happened, but one morning I woke up with back spasms rather like the ones I experienced at Worlds in Calgary. Needless to say, I was not amused. I couldn't turn my head, I couldn't skate, and I definitely didn't know how I would compete."
http://figureskatersonline.com/johnnyweir/journal.html
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and where was Johnny?
Have you read his latest journal entry yet, Joesitz? Seems that by Nationals Johnny was in pain, had back spasms, had to have therapy. He probably hasn't completely recovered yet.
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Thanks for the info.
general question: Why do so many posters consider the last competition they have seen as the definitive abilities of a skater? Johnny was sick therefor he couldn't come; Evan looked sick but we wont give him the benefit of that doubt. He skated badly. Ashley should not go to Worlds. Buttle always makes mistakes. Lambiel always makes mistakes.
It seems to me all these conclusions are from one last competition seen by some poster rushing to judgement. am I correct?
Joe
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Jeffrey's been attempting quads on and off since 2003 (might have been 2004) He landed 1 or 2 in the SP IRC, but then he took it out for some reason. I do agree he hasn't been consistantly trying them save for 03 & 06 seasons.
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The Korean audience sound extremely passionate. They are cheering for every element, even for a failed jump! Unless you completely fall down, but save the landing, they heartily clap for you! They're really amazing! Especially, the audience got all CRAZY when Jeff and Takahashi skated!! Must have been a real excitement and joy for them to skate out there! WOW!
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Yes,
It was a jolly fun event, which reminded me of a Korean boy band concert. You hear girls screaming at Jeff in unison, "I love you, marry me". About 80% of the audience was girls in their late teens, 20's and early 30's.
Too bad, the arena was empty during CD, OD and the pairs' events, though.
It was a jolly fun event, which reminded me of a Korean boy band concert. You hear girls screaming at Jeff in unison, "I love you, marry me". About 80% of the audience was girls in their late teens, 20's and early 30's.
Too bad, the arena was empty during CD, OD and the pairs' events, though.
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