Michelle Should Have Won Bronze!!

[Hikaru]

During one of the interviews, Michelle said, I need to study, get the math down (Math don’t get excited here )

NOW I get it! I am such a slowpock

 

[tdnuva]

Why does everyone say that Michelle didn't know the rules for CoP?

Cause she took away all from her routine which might earn her additional points... Seems so NOT logical.

 

[Dee4707]

NOW I get it! I am such a slowpoke

I think you're the only who did, you're not so slow.

Dee

 

[Piel]

Dee you're a genious! Michelle was trying her best to let us know what went wrong in the QR and you are the only one who figured out her cryptic message. She had Mathie on her mind.

 

[LegalGirl82]

Why does everyone say that Michelle didn't know the rules for CoP? Do you think she just went out there and skated and hoped her tricks would rack up the points. Get real........She studied, she practiced, she skated. She went away without a medal, but she's not limping, nothing needs to be surgically repaired, and she's not under a doctor's care. She won her 9th Nationals and her immediate family is well and intact.......All in all, not a bad season........... :yes: 42

Couldn't have said it better myself, Show! :agree:

 

[mzheng]

During one of the interviews, Michelle said, I need to study, get the math down (Math don’t get excited here ) and talk to a lot of people about new programs. Isn’t that kind of putting the cart before the horse? I guess what I don’t understand did she really think she could win without knowing anything about the COP? Isn’t that being a little arrogant??

Do you think she was using this Worlds to make a decision about the Olympics?

Dee

How do you know she diddn't study the CoP at all? She watched/studied 4CC and European. Now she knew her bolero program as skated in LP with two mistakes(one fall triple one double footed triple) got about the same points as Sasha's Qual with one fall. And Sasha's had 7 triples planed, Michelle only had 6 triples.

Now she know where she stands, after talking to all those experts all she needs to do is to decide is what she needs to do, how much time and effort she needs to put in, should she pimpe the integrety of program for points, do some 3/3s and put additional 2axels in her program, etc.

 

[Doggygirl]

The comment that baffles me the most....

should she pimpe the integrety of program for points, do some 3/3s and put additional 2axels in her program, etc.

And Mzheng, I'm not referring to you specifically. This comment has been made in a variety of places here and on other boards throughout World's.

In the competitive sport of figure skating, I fail to understand how grasping the point system (as it stands, for better or worse) and designing programs to maximize points is "pimping for points," "code whoring," or any other number of derogatory comments that have been made this season about skaters who have bothered to maximize points. THIS IS A COMPETITIVE SPORT!

If working to maximize points in TES is pimping and whoring, then I guess skaters like Lambiel and Buttle are the biggest pimp and code whores of all - or at least on the same level with Irina, Sasha, T&M, S&Z, Plush, Wier, etc.

If maximizing points in an effort to win in her sport would make MK a tasteless pimp-*****, then no wonder she's having difficulty figuring out what to do. GEEZ.

OK - rant over.

 

[LegalGirl82]

By all accounts she has been working as hard as any of the other ladies. She just had not competed under the new scoring system. I don't get all of these accusations of Kwan being a slacker when she is known to be a hard worker. You need to consider all of the years that she has competed at top form without a break until she decided not to do the GP. A lot of the other ladies have taken time off for illness or injury. Not their choice but a break is a break. And since when are Dean and Morosova not considered top choreographers??? She has spent the last year trying to get ready for the CoP so how can you say she didn't take it seriously?

Kwan has been nothing but good for the sport of figure skating.

QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly, Piel. :yes: :thumbsup:

 

[Hikaru]

And Mzheng, I'm not referring to you specifically. This comment has been made in a variety of places here and on other boards throughout World's.

In the competitive sport of figure skating, I fail to understand how grasping the point system (as it stands, for better or worse) and designing programs to maximize points is "pimping for points," "code whoring," or any other number of derogatory comments that have been made this season about skaters who have bothered to maximize points. THIS IS A COMPETITIVE SPORT!

If working to maximize points in TES is pimping and whoring, then I guess skaters like Lambiel and Buttle are the biggest pimp and code whores of all - or at least on the same level with Irina, Sasha, T&M, S&Z, Plush, Wier, etc.

If maximizing points in an effort to win in her sport would make MK a tasteless pimp-*****, then no wonder she's having difficulty figuring out what to do. GEEZ.

OK - rant over.

You said exactly what I was thinking DG :agree:

 

[Doggygirl]

You said exactly what I was thinking DG :agree:

Thanks for your support Hikaru. I had no idea I felt so emotional about point pimping code whoring people. It took a lot out of me just to write that!!! I'm glad I'm not alone. Will you still stand by my side when the eggs and tomatos start flying????

DG

 

[Hikaru]

Thanks for your support Hikaru. I had no idea I felt so emotional about point pimping code whoring people. It took a lot out of me just to write that!!! I'm glad I'm not alone. Will you still stand by my side when the eggs and tomatos start flying????

DG

LMAO I will be there with ya, holding or power-shield !! Bring 'em on people!!**holding power-shield***


No really, I feel exactly like you do. In this new system you have to make every movement work so that you can get the best of it. It's not a matter of "selling-out", but, as Mickey Weiss said (and I never thought I would be quoting him) "skating smart", and I give it to those skaters that work this system while adding meaning to what they do (like S/Z, T/M, Johnny, Jeff, Sasha, Shizu-chan, Joannie, Plushy and so many others)

 

[Mathman]

You have to be joking. Carolina was superior not only in technique (3-3s) but artistry...absolutely floated like a fairy!

Carolina certainly had a fairy-tale competition. But I think we need to keep things in perspective.

Kostner finished fourth in the free skate, behind Slutskaya, Cohen and Kwan. She finished fourth in the short program behind the same three. She finished fifith in qualifying behind Slutskaya, Cohen, Ando and Suguri.

She deserves her medal and our congratulations for three performances of consistent quality. This should give her a big boost in confidence going into the Olympic season.

Mathman

 

[show 42]

By all accounts she has been working as hard as any of the other ladies. She just had not competed under the new scoring system. I don't get all of these accusations of Kwan being a slacker when she is known to be a hard worker. You need to consider all of the years that she has competed at top form without a break until she decided not to do the GP. A lot of the other ladies have taken time off for illness or injury. Not their choice but a break is a break. And since when are Dean and Morosova not considered top choreographers??? She has spent the last year trying to get ready for the CoP so how can you say she didn't take it seriously?

Well said, Piel............42

 

[Mathman]

Thanks for your support Hikaru. I had no idea I felt so emotional about point pimping code whoring people. It took a lot out of me just to write that!!! I'm glad I'm not alone. Will you still stand by my side when the eggs and tomatos start flying????

But you know what? I do understand what the anti-whores are talking about. It wasn't only Michelle who complained at the beginning of the season that the CoP was forcing her to compromise the artistic integrity of her programs.

Lori Nichol, speaking particularly about Fumie, says, "I am a fan of some aspects of the [new judging] system, but right now there is less freedom and it is limiting;...it's not choreography anymore, it's become a skill of arrangement and it's like painting by numbers in a straitjacket."

Audry Weisiger, speaking about Yoshie Onda, says, "[W]e've been working on the value of the performance versus just doing the tricks."

To me, that was the biggest disappointment of this Worlds. I did not see many performances that had artistic value. (Thank goodness for Jeff Buttle!) Figure skating is not skiing downhill against a stopwatch.

Maybe Michelle and like-minded performers will decide to "go pro" after all. I can see that happening. Take the three cheesefests as the basis of a pro-am circuit, and see what form of the sport is more popular.

Mathman

 

[show 42]

Thank you, Mathman.........very well put.......... :agree: 42

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Guy s, to me figure skating is like a game of chance or playing roulette. The skaters practice for years, some harder then others, then they go out onto the ice with a pair of boots and two little blades supporting them. They twirl around and jump around, they may have practiced the spins and the jumps and have them down pat. But, when they get on that ice with those blades, I think its a game of chance, the take off, how they spin while they are in the air, the position of their legs before they land, what's going through their head while they are in these
positions. A wrong move, a negative thought, all this has an effect on the game.
Some skaters are lucker than others, they go out play their game without a flaw, but then all of a sudden "Bango", some one comes out and ups the ante., Game over..

All these skaters go out there and skate. Some fans say they are skating for the love of it and passion. Yes for love of it and passion BUT the main reason is the MONEY. Its a job to them and their livelyhood. If they had to skate for free, I don't
think that you would see a skater on the ice

Congradulations to all the skaters, go home and practice hard all summer and probably next season you will be on top the game of chance.



P.S. Now that skating is almost over for the season, I would love to go to Las Vagas and put my bets where I can make some money, but I can't.

Millie,

:agree: Even though you are NOT an UberKwan fan like moi (come to the light... there is peace in the light... ), you are spot on... I think that we, as fans, sometimes forget the whole "its a job" part, not to mention the mental piece... I'm just looking forward to October... Let the games begin!!!

Have I told you today how much I appreciate your perspective on this drama called figure skating??? And here's a little gift just for you...

Kwanford Wife

 

[Piel]

Don't take it to heart!!! Like Piel says to me "ARE YOU HER MOTHER". This only a bit of fun, no matter what we say o r do, is not going to make a difference in their lives. This is the only way we can relieve our thoughts on figure skating. Nobody means any harm or bad thoughts to these tallented young skaters. I for one would not or could not in my wildest dreams do what they do. I can't even stand up on a pair of skates let alone do a tripple flip, I would end up in ER in traction. Laughter is the best medicine, its good for stress and tension.

Millie I think this is exactly how most of us feel. I think it is good to remember to respect the skaters for the joy they give us. But we need to be nicer to each other here on the board.

 

[millie]

Hey Guys, the fangs and tallons are coming out in this thread!!! I thought there for awhile I was in the "Red Light" district or in a brothel with all this talk about "pimping" and "whoring" points. I didn't think you could pimp and ***** in figure skating, I thought you worked hard and you get what you deserve.

 

[Mathman]

Just remember the Joesitz maxim. When you bash a skater or a fellow poster, you are saying a lot more about yourself than about your supposed target.

 

[Doggygirl]

But you know what? I do understand what the anti-whores are talking about. It wasn't only Michelle who complained at the beginning of the season that the CoP was forcing her to compromise the artistic integrity of her programs.

Lori Nichol, speaking particularly about Fumie, says, "I am a fan of some aspects of the [new judging] system, but right now there is less freedom and it is limiting;...it's not choreography anymore, it's become a skill of arrangement and it's like painting by numbers in a straitjacket."

Audry Weisiger, speaking about Yoshie Onda, says, "[W]e've been working on the value of the performance versus just doing the tricks."

To me, that was the biggest disappointment of this Worlds. I did not see many performances that had artistic value. (Thank goodness for Jeff Buttle!) Figure skating is not skiing downhill against a stopwatch.

Maybe Michelle and like-minded performers will decide to "go pro" after all. I can see that happening. Take the three cheesefests as the basis of a pro-am circuit, and see what form of the sport is more popular.

Mathman

I think ANY competitor, especially those with years under their belt and wide popularity, who think that adapting programs to a new judging system compromises their artistry SHOULD consider making a move to show skating. That is a viable and respectable option for anyone who makes it.

I just take a bit of offense to the notions that I pointed out before (point pimping and code whoring were NOT my terms), which I think are an insult to the skaters who HAVE adapted their programs to maximize points and competitive results. MM, you know I love you, but even your Audrey quote supports this with "we've been working on the value of the performance versus just doing the tricks." Isn't that what COP is supposed to be about?? I have my own complaints as most of us do with this new system, but I'm glad a top US coach would even SAY "we focus on the value of the performance." To me, that's a positive competitive statement.

DG