odd choice of words. Plushy should have nothing to worry about
If your opinion was a true, Plushy fans won't be worried forever. But unfortunately it isn't. Tell me when he won with a high PCS despite meltdown.
odd choice of words. Plushy should have nothing to worry about
Mishin is a coach. He can say whatever he likes and people will consider whether or not he is biased. Inman is a supposedly unbiased judge. As such, trying to draw attention to what he considers a skater's weakness shortly before the Olympics was completely inappropriate if not unethical.Mishin is the new Inman
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Does your id refer to the great gymnast Svetlana Bogenskaya?.
She was Boginskaya
Lol. My thoughts are pretty much what others have pointed out: there may well be some truth to the notion that the components score doesn't accurately reflect skill and that reputation counts (not necessarily time spent on the scene, but time spent winning medals). But...pretty ironic that someone in Plushy's camp is complaining about this.
What is so ironic? Plushenko has never won a competition with multiple mistakes but held up only by PCS. I am in Plushy's camp, and I can say that with a proud face.
Can they compete with him when it comes to performance ability and charisma? PCS are not just based on skating skills, you know, and other than Dai, I would say the answer to my question is "absolutely not".Well, Plush doesn't have the skating skills of let alone Patrick Chan, he can't even match most of his competitors like Daisuke, Kozuka, Jeremy Abbot, etc. etc so there is no way that he could ever have a chance at winning just based on PCS alone. What is being pointed out that he has gotten far higher PCS than he actually deserves in the past, mostly because of his legendary jumps.
Can they compete with him when it comes to performance ability and charisma? PCS are not just based on skating skills, you know, and other than Dai, I would say the answer to my question is "absolutely not".
Well, Plush doesn't have the skating skills of let alone Patrick Chan, he can't even match most of his competitors like Daisuke, Kozuka, Jeremy Abbot, etc. etc so there is no way that he could ever have a chance at winning just based on PCS alone. What is being pointed out that he has gotten far higher PCS than he actually deserves in the past, mostly because of his legendary jumps.
What you think PCS are doesn't match what the ISU has up on its website*. If you look at them - not even all that carefully - you will also see that skating skills (and transitions) are not prerequisites for high marks on every other component. That fans seem to think otherwise is annoying; I'm tired of pointing out that there are five program components, and they do not all have the same criteria. That the judges don't seem to understand this is troubling. I used charisma along with performance ability in general, because the ability to reach out the the audience is an obvious part of P&E and a strength of Plushenko's. BTW, power/energy is listed under skating skills here, along with acceleration. I don't think every skater who scores highly in that component has great power and energy.This always comes up, but if you read the definition of PCS very carefully, 'charisma' isn't listed as a criteria. I think PCS basically is just skating skills as they are displayed through the choreography and through how much you embody the music through the full use of your body as you skate. That's why Patrick Chan last season, without showing too much charisma, got great PCS scores in all of the categories. I would say the one element that seems to measure charima in PCS definition is 'projection', which is one bullet point out of six in P/E. So if charisma figures in PCS at all, it is minimal.
What you think PCS are doesn't match what the ISU has up on its website*. If you look at them - not even all that carefully - you will also see that skating skills (and transitions) are not prerequisites for high marks on every other component. That fans seem to think otherwise is annoying; I'm tired of pointing out that there are five program components, and they do not all have the same criteria. That the judges don't seem to understand this is troubling. I used charisma along with performance ability in general, because the ability to reach out the the audience is an obvious part of P&E and a strength of Plushenko's. BTW, power/energy is listed under skating skills here, along with acceleration. I don't think every skater who scores highly in that component has great power and energy.
* If ever there was any doubt that the IJS was developed primarily by Canadians, the reference to "cross-cuts" in the explanation of transitions certainly makes it clear.
I'm sorry for misquoting you; I misunderstood your point. However, the bolded part strikes me as relevant only to the SS mark, so I still disagree with your interpretation of what PCS measures and should measure. Also, I don't think your understanding aligns with the official ISU guidelines on this.You misquoted me. I opined that PCS measures 'skating skills as they are displayed through the choreography and through how much you embody the music through the full use of your body as you skate.' So it's obviously not just about the use the blade, but how much you can control your blade in relation with the whole body as it co-ordinates itself to the music.
This always comes up, but if you read the definition of PCS very carefully, 'charisma' isn't listed as a criteria. I think PCS basically is just skating skills as they are displayed through the choreography and through how much you embody the music through the full use of your body as you skate. That's why Patrick Chan last season, without showing too much charisma, got great PCS scores in all of the categories. I would say the one element that seems to measure charima in PCS definition is 'projection', which is one bullet point out of six in P/E. So if charisma figures in PCS at all, it is minimal.
I think if you are a charismatic skater, you get a whole legion of fans like Dai does, but that's not why Dai gets the PCS that he does. At least, it shouldn't. No one should get more PCS for the amount of 'charisma' they display.
Incidentally, while I think Plushenko has charisma, I don't think too much of his performance ability. His body language is too frenetic for me to see him as a great performer. I think his knees and back are too injured for him to shift his center of gravity with the kind of fluidity that is required to 'perform' well. I much prefer Gachinski (when he is on) as a performer. And Gachinski doesn't have much charisma.
What is so ironic? Plushenko has never won a competition with multiple mistakes but held up only by PCS. I am in Plushy's camp, and I can say that with a proud face.
So you are saying it should favour Patrick Chan only. Unlike your idol, who (and actually anyone else) will never be shining with all regalia that Plu has by now, the Russian never won anything with polishing the ice with his butt multiple times (probably due to poor politiking skills of RusFed, unlike SC ), and therefore wasn't boo-ed as a champion. Plu never got any unfair advantage, similar to the ones your buddy normally gets, from PCS and the system in general leading to getting fake titles. Just less than 2 months ago he made mistakes at JO, still had a bigger BV than the quadless Buttle skating with safe-skating policy. But errors spoilt the general impression of Plu's prog, so his PCS went down immediately. Plus challenging tougher elements required a lot of nerves and it was one of the reason why he got lesser GOE (but still got!) on the executed elements. As the result he was put lower Buttle thanks to GOE and PCS and didn't get any advantage from his rank. So the fact that you dragged Plu has no merit and therefore count as lame trolling. If RusFed were as good at politiking and using the system as you suggest here, Plu wouldn't have ended up 4th at JO. So you guys are still the best at screwing everyone around.So it should favour Plushenko and Suzuki. And not Hanyu and Fernandez.
Then why on earth the Rules have all those categories if it's all about SS as you claim? No, dear, sport is recreation and entertainment, the key factor in the last is power, talent, attractiveness and charm, i.e. charisma, the things that can directly result in Performance&Interpretation and therefore impress the audience. The one that actullay pay for tickets, provide the venue and popularity, it leads to sponsors, TV contracts, etc. Some sofa specialists with popcorn are those who contribute the less in the system in fact. Btw, PC doesn't have the super-puper SS. Kozuka has not worse but he is not scored even nearly as PC, who is looking for the balance on each curve while Taka is flying.I think PCS basically is just skating skills as they are displayed through the choreography and through how much you embody the music through the full use of your body as you skate. That's why Patrick Chan last season, without showing too much charisma, got great PCS scores in all of the categories.
Kozuka has not worse but he is not scored even nearly as PC, who is looking for the balance on each curve while Taka is flying.
You recall, of course, that Suzuki was sidelined for a significant period of time while dealing with a severe eating disorder, and was never her federation's favorite afterward. It took her a long time to get herself noticed, nationally and internationally, and her reputation does not correspond to her age and experience. Plushenko has skated one full season out of the past seven, so what does that tell us? Because when it comes to PCS, it's kind of you snooze, you lose. Except maybe if you're Shen and Zhao coming back for the Olympic season.So it should favour Plushenko and Suzuki. And not Hanyu and Fernandez.