New Choreographers?

[Tonichelle]

Probably should wait till summer to start this up, but thought it'd be fun....

I was watching Evan's LP from this year's nats on Youtube and Sandra Besic is commentating of course.... and it hit me - I've even said that he needs a new look to his programs....

Sandra took Boitano and Browning and changed their style a bit... she should come out of choreographer retirement and work with Evan... I bet it'd be hot....

who would you pair up as a new team (skater-choreographer)

we're always talking who should change coaches, and who needs new choreography... so...

 

[ks777]

Probably should wait till summer to start this up, but thought it'd be fun....

I was watching Evan's LP from this year's nats on Youtube and Sandra Besic is commentating of course.... and it hit me - I've even said that he needs a new look to his programs....

Sandra took Boitano and Browning and changed their style a bit... she should come out of choreographer retirement and work with Evan... I bet it'd be hot....

who would you pair up as a new team (skater-choreographer)

we're always talking who should change coaches, and who needs new choreography... so...

I thought Sandra did choreographed some of the skaters this year.. or ?

 

[skatergirl45]

Yes Tosca is Carmen with new music......... lol

Kimmie again should find someone besides Lori Nichol.

 

[jennylovskt]

Yes, I agree 100% that Evan should change choreographer. And hopefully to get rid of those two arm swings. I might like him better.:yes: But he cannot fully express Tarasova's intentions, so it won't be so impressive if he skates Tarasova's programs. JMO. Maybe Sandra Besic is a good choice.

 

[Tinymavy15]

I would love to see what Tatiana T could do with Evan. He is very good with footwork and coudl really sell tatiana's masterpeices.

As for the Lori/Kimmie issue, i do not think that chreogrpahy is what kimmie will focus on this summer. She needs to get her jumps back and prove she can do a clean program again. THEN she can start to work on artistry again. I think that Lori i not all to blame, i think that kimmie is just not artistic, but I have to say that her LP and nationals was so much better than previoulsy. I would like her to try Kurt Browning, maybe he could bring out her personality.

 

[hrmsk8ngnutt]

I thought Sandra did choreographed some of the skaters this year.. or ?

Sandra choreographed Joannie's SP from last year (Little WIng). I think she choreographed the programs for Canadian skater Vaughn Chipeur.

Herm (sk8ngnutt)

 

[Tonichelle]

I don't want to see Evan go to Tarasova... we have too many of those types of programs coming from Morosov, and his style is very similar to hers....

I'd love to see Evan go from just a technician who can sell his stuff, to having a "Casablanca" type moment....

 

[all that]

All the Shpilband dance teams need new choreographers -- preferably 3 different ones. Don't know who to recommend though. Perhaps Christopher Dean?

 

[Tonichelle]

I'd love to see Tanith and Ben (especially Ben!) tackle his choreography!

 

[JonnyCoop]

I don't want to see Evan go to Tarasova... we have too many of those types of programs coming from Morosov, and his style is very similar to hers....

I'd love to see Evan go from just a technician who can sell his stuff, to having a "Casablanca" type moment....

ITA. Tarasova's style seems to emphasize flouncing and flinging oneself about, and that's what Evan has actually got to STOP doing. If you pair his natural tendencies with Tarasova's choreography, he's gonna end up dislocating both his shoulders at the same time....

 

[cassieandcheetah]

ITA. Tarasova's style seems to emphasize flouncing and flinging oneself about, and that's what Evan has actually got to STOP doing. If you pair his natural tendencies with Tarasova's choreography, he's gonna end up dislocating both his shoulders at the same time....

that's quite funny....

What's funnier is, I was going to make a suggestion that he should maybe hire Lori Nichol (I was thinking of Michelle Kwan) but then I realized he is currently using Lori Nichol. How could it be!

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

For me, Evan is a bravuro skater, and what he does is exactly the style he should be doing. Maybe with another piece of bravura music rather than the tried and true tunes might work for him.

I think TT could enhance Evan's performances. :agree:

Joe

 

[Jaana]

For me, Evan is a bravuro skater, and what he does is exactly the style he should be doing. Maybe with another piece of bravura music rather than the tried and true tunes might work for him.
Joe

I agree with you totally with those thoughts, but not about TT choreography. For SP and FS choreography I would suggest David Wilson, the CoP-expert and great artist, for Evan. Maybe TT for an exhibition number?

 

[Tonichelle]

I still think he'd do well with Sandra Bezic's choreography... I may not like her commentary but she does really well with creating programs - especially when choreographing the guys :yes:

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Sorry Had to delete..

Joe

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I agree with you totally with those thoughts, but not about TT choreography. For SP and FS choreography I would suggest David Wilson, the CoP-expert and great artist, for Evan. Maybe TT for an exhibition number?

Some posters have complained about Wilson's choreogaphy as being too difficult. It probably is, but isn't that what Seniors is all about? Difficulty? In Evan's case, its that tired old music he needs changing. Which choreographers bring new tunes to the skaters and can devise the proper steps and elements for high score, and the skater brings to it all, a fabulous and enjoyable routine.
Consider Orso as well as Browning and Dean. he's facing a hip hop swan lake, a kind of hip shaking joubert, a zapateado of lambiel as well as an original music from his own countryman.

Joe

 

[Tonichelle]

Kurt choreographed for Evan last year - his SP to the Feeling Begins was Kurt's work...

Kurt's still listed as one of his choreographers for this season too...



Orso = Orser? I don't really care for his choreography... it's very ho hum to me.


If Wilson is considered difficult, I would think Dean would be no different. Michelle Kwan "watered down" the Bolero he gave her. and even Browning has complained about how intricate Dean's choreography is.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Kurt choreographed for Evan last year - his SP to the Feeling Begins was Kurt's work...

Kurt's still listed as one of his choreographers for this season too...



Orso = Orser? I don't really care for his choreography... it's very ho hum to me.


If Wilson is considered difficult, I would think Dean would be no different. Michelle Kwan "watered down" the Bolero he gave her. and even Browning has complained about how intricate Dean's choreography is.

I used to work with a Mongolian whose name is Orso. sorry about that. It should be Orser.

Well, you may not like Orser, but others might and the judges, too. We don't know. His Die Fledermaus for YuNa looks quite complete and entertaining. A skater must skate to a choreographer's work, and then put something of personality into it.

It seems you are saying that Evan is not capable of skating difficult steps? I can't believe Kurt would complain about Dean. Maybe whisper that. Kwan was tweaking programs for years - not because of the choreoraphers but because of her hips, but she would never admit to that.

I can't offer Evan a name, I can just say consider so and so. He should make the final decision and realize that he must put something of himself into the routine.

Joe

 

[Tonichelle]

Kurt during an interview in Stars On Ice a few years back mentioned how Chris' choreography is difficult - that it's great but also incredibly frustrating. Believe it or don't. Chris Dean (and Sasha Zhulin) gave Kurt some memorable programs, but they were difficult and frustrating (Red Hat gave Kurt ulcers - ok now I'm exaggerating, but he had a love hate relationship with that hat)

I'm not saying Evan can't skate a Chris Dean Program. You brought up how some consider Wilson's stuff difficult, I was just saying Chris also has that reputation. I'd bet Evan would have a mountain to climb to skate a Chris Dean program the way Dean expected it, but I would agree he's up to the challenge. But would all that work be worth it when it comes to the judging?

I like Chris Dean's show programs more than what I've seen of his competitive. That's my personal opinion. Same with my opinion on Orser. It seems a big generic for me. Which is what skating has too much of right now. I could be wrong, he could do really well with the right skater.

Sasha Zhulin would be an interesting choice... he was the one behind Kurt's Summertime. But Evan is not Kurt. Which is why I could see him skating a program Sandra worked on before I could see him working with Chris or Sasha who are more "contemporary"... Sandra did wonders for Boitano (who Evan reminds me of in a way with the types of programs he does) and for Kurt (again CASABLANCA)...

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I think choreographers - the good ones - know all the potential skaters who need routines, and they are ready for them. TT is extremely good at polishing what a skater already has into the best routine that a skater is capable of.

I would not be able to negate Orser since I've only seen one of his works which was much more than adequate. I know he's YuNas Coach and I assumed he is also her choreographer. Don't know.

It's a tough decision to make. Maybe Evan is not up to decision making in which case he should listen to Frank. Frank should know better than any fan.

Joe