Pairs - Free Program

[Sylvia]

15 Bridget NAMIOTKA / John COUGHLIN - USA
Music: Pearl Harbour her in red him in khaki
3tw is high / sbs 2a / thr 2s / one armed hip lift to star / sbs back sit ch sit upright edge - nice sync & matching pos / spirals with coe to start / sbs 2z 2t / axel lasso lift to carry then rotates again - nice lift / right into thr 3l - bit forward on landing but clean / diag steps work with music and match well / fids is fast & clean with lovely position / pair spin nice pos and maintinas very good speed /
PB 89.07 TES 46.53 PCS 44.10 tot 90.63 new pb currently 3rd
Lev 1 - twist & fids / lev 2 spirals / lev 4 1st lift / lev 3 rest

Hey Rosaleen, when you get a chance, could you check the detailed protocol for the Pairs FS and confirm that Namiotka/Coughlin landed the throw triple salchow (not double), which is what I've heard they landed? Thanks!

My two cents -- watching Keauna McLaughlin/Rockne Brubaker on video does not do them or their abilities justice -- they really "fill" the ice surface with power and speed and their elements are done with impressive amplitude.

 

[Rosaleen]

Hey Rosaleen, when you get a chance, could you check the detailed protocol for the Pairs FS and confirm that Namiotka/Coughlin landed the throw triple salchow (not double), which is what I've heard they landed? Thanks!

My two cents -- watching Keauna McLaughlin/Rockne Brubaker on video does not do them or their abilities justice -- they really "fill" the ice surface with power and speed and their elements are done with impressive amplitude.

It was a thr 3 sal (with + GOE of .10) - my bad. I'll correct the post. You caught me just as I was doing one last check of things before I pack up for the night

 

[chipso1]

The American pair gold medalists' scores were grossly inflated. Can't believe they don't even have two throw triples, and there's no sbs triples either. There's no way they can get that sort of PCS and overall score of 101 at Sr. level with such weak technical content.

Good recovery from Li & Xu after that dismal short program.

Thanks, Rosaleen!

There's more to skating than just jumps. McLaughlin and Brubaker have a special quality to their skating and they definitely deserved this title.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

The American pair gold medalists' scores were grossly inflated. Can't believe they don't even have two throw triples, and there's no sbs triples either. There's no way they can get that sort of PCS and overall score of 101 at Sr. level with such weak technical content.

And they didn't do sxs Quads or throw 3A like the other contestants did. They should have been put in last place.

 

[iloveaxel]

And they didn't do sxs Quads or throw 3A like the other contestants did. They should have been put in last place.

I am not saying they should have been put in last place. But the margin of their victory is ridiculous. With a technical content of a throw 2loop and a sbs 2z+2t SEQ, they will not be able to get those PCS and an overall score of 101 points at senior level. Remeber the newly crowned U.S. Sr. pair c/o(,whom i absolutely love) only scored about 104 points at 4cc with pretty much a clean program.

Another American pair also won the Jr. world title last year, they participated in this year's GP events. However, nothing close to 'making a splash' happened to that pair. I don't even recall hearing anything about them.

Sorry, unlike some other folks, I do care about technical difficulty. The truth is if you can only do sbs doubles and throw doubles at Sr. level, your pcs will likely hover around 4-5 no matter how much better you are in the 'artistry' department.

 

[chipso1]

Sorry, unlike some other folks, I do care about technical difficulty. The truth is if you can only do sbs doubles and throw doubles at Sr. level, your pcs will likely hover around 4-5 no matter how much better you are in the 'artistry' department.

But they DO do throw triples...they decided to scale down one of them for this competition after having problems with it earlier this season.

Their spirals, lifts, and spins are all of the highest quality...not to mention their amazing triple twist. Their score is justly deserved.

 

[megsy]

I am not saying they should have been put in last place. But the margin of their victory is ridiculous. With a technical content of a throw 2loop and a sbs 2z+2t SEQ, they will not be able to get those PCS and an overall score of 101 points at senior level. Remeber the newly crowned U.S. Sr. pair c/o(,whom i absolutely love) only scored about 104 points at 4cc with pretty much a clean program.

Another American pair also won the Jr. world title last year, they participated in this year's GP events. However, nothing close to 'making a splash' happened to that pair. I don't even recall hearing anything about them.

There's a considerable difference between McLaughlin/Brubaker and Vlassov/Meekins. V/M only came 3rd at US junior nationals and were 4th going into the LP at junior Worlds. M/B have been first in everything they've competed in so far, and have comprehensively beaten all the other teams! It's funny that so much was made of Castile/Okolski's 3twist, when M/B's 3twist is much more spectacular and they've had it for quite a while now.

I have seen their skating twice before in videos and it really is beautiful. I would love to see a copy of the LP at junior worlds, when someone gets hold of it?

 

[icesk8erdude4e]

Yay Usa Wins!

ITs awesome that the US team won the gold medal, hopefully that foreshadows some better pairs for the future of US Figure Skating next season. I think that these two have tremendous potential for the future.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Sorry, unlike some other folks, I do care about technical difficulty. The truth is if you can only do sbs doubles and throw doubles at Sr. level, your pcs will likely hover around 4-5 no matter how much better you are in the 'artistry' department.

I do too, but I am more interested in what they do and not what they don't do. They're Juniors and have a year to work up to Seniors constructively.

Joe

 

[olddad]

M/B are an attractive pair. As mentioned on another thread , she is fourteen, and has some growing to do, while he is a small guy. His bio height is inflated,and he skates with lifts. Brubaker has had partners grow too big for him to manage,and managed to sustain chronic injuries in the process. Puberty is the great equalizer, not only in singles, but in pairs as well. Its easier to manage a young teen in the air, but a young woman is a different story. Senior is when the young teens are becoming the young women. They and their partner will need to adjust to changing body issues. You can't tell what she will be like until it happens, no matter what the coaches or parents think or wish for. Good luck to them as they begin to negotiate this transiton to Senior.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'm sure if she outgrows him, he'll get a hold of Katie Orscher and they will win in Seniors. Maybe.

Joe

 

[Cal Girl]

Too bad about Moyle and Seitz splitting! I thought they had some potential for a long term relationship. I guess they are both looking for new partners but it will be tough for him not being able to earn world points as a junior. She still has a year(or two?) left in JGP so she is more fortunate there.
They had some great success for only their second season together. Junior Pair Champs last year, 6th at Seniors their first year, two JGP finals and two trips to Junior Worlds and two GP's . That is a lot in two seasons together. Probably more than most would achieve in with many years together. I think it must be hard to have so much success so soon and then have to step up to the senior level and achieve that success there. Another pair team bites the dust! Hopefully that wont happen again for these Junior winners.
What is it about Junior titles that seem to doom the fate of the team or career of the skater. Seems to happen a lot.

 

[Mathman]

Moyle and Seitz split? When was that announced?

 

[iloveaxel]

Moyle and Seitz split? When was that announced?

I'm not familiar with this pair, but the male pair has already put himself on sale!
As tall as only 172 cm, The guy's future does not appear very promising. He really has to partner with an extremely petite girl, maybe someone like 140 cm with a weight no more than 30kg?

 

[Mathman]

...an extremely petite girl, maybe someone like 140 cm with a weight no more than 30kg?

OK, now I get why you are so down on Emily Hughes, if your runs to ladies who are 140 cm and 30 kg.

 

[Cal Girl]

Both listed on icepartnersearch.com for new parnters. That usually is the final indicator.

 

[flyingnun]

I'm not familiar with this pair, but the male pair has already put himself on sale!
As tall as only 172 cm, The guy's future does not appear very promising. He really has to partner with an extremely petite girl, maybe someone like 140 cm with a weight no more than 30kg?

I don't think that there are any girls older than 13 who are that size.

 

[Spun Silver]

That's 5 feet tall and 66 pounds. Are you nuts? That's a body-mass index of 12.9 with "underweight" being anything under 18.5 and normal as being 18.5 - 24.9.

Even 85 pounds would still be quite underweight at 16.6 BMI. 92 pounds (18 BMI) is more like a maybe appropriate weight for a skater. Keep in mind that muscle weighs more than fat.

Your standards are anorexic. Perhaps you need help.

 

[flyingnun]

Actually it's about 4'7'' and 66 pounds. But unless he wants a midget, that size and weight doesn't exist in a girl over 13.

 

[Spun Silver]

Oops. It's still a BMI of 15.3. For comparison, that would be like a 5'4" person who weighs 89 pounds. Picture that!

At 5'4" a weight of 108 - still very slim - is the bottom of the normal range on the BMI scale. The child of 4'7" should weigh at least 80.