Patrick Chan

[blueberryhill]

when was the camp... ? if anything, he got it first.... my "camp" erm erm was very close to the Doug Mitchell Sports Centre.... i went to a party near there.... OMG... the plot thickens.

They usually have the camp at the beginning of Septmber. I'm just guessing the hpc was held on ubc campus. There's also a chance it was in Pacific Coliseum to let the Canadian team get the feel of the place before the games. I guess we'll never know if you're swine flu twins.

 

[4everchan]

They usually have the camp at the beginning of Septmber. I'm just guessing the hpc was held on ubc campus. There's also a chance it was in Pacific Coliseum to let the Canadian team get the feel of the place before the games. I guess we'll never know if you're swine flu twins.

all i know is that i got mine much later october.... and that the doctor told me at the ubc clinic that Vancouver had been hit severely... the whole campus was sick with swine flu since september

so we are mostly swine flu twins but many degrees of separation later LOL

 

[ice coverage]

This doesn't answer your question but I'm certain that the first time I ever heard Pchiddy was after he became world champion and that's why I wrote 2011 in my op.

I got curious enough to do a little research on my own question.

Found someone's blog post from 2009 that shows that Patrick was using Pchiddy then.

https://tvxqcanada.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/canadian-figure-skater-tvxq/ (July 22, 2009)​

So I still think it's possible that the nickname came about b/c he was looking for something catchy when he joined Twitter. Just my speculation.

 

[4everchan]

sooo swine flu came just around the corner of the pchiddy nickname... the things we learn..... i wonder what's worse? to be nicknamed after a rapper or get swine flu...


I am happy i only got swine flu and can be 4everchan rather than 4everchiddy

 

[Violet Bliss]

That H1N1 flu cost Patrick a few medals, including possibly an Olympic one. It was not the flu itself that directly caused his under performances but the subsequent over training upon recovery that caused his calf injury. The injury's healing was expedited with ISU approved PRP treatment, i.e. with his own blood spun and platelet rich plasma extracted and injected into the injured area. He canceled the Rostelecom GP and debut the season at Skate Canada with the worst finish at this event, sixth place with 3 falls. That was his only chance to test his new LP (POTO) in front of international judges before the Olympics. He performed a clean POTO at the Nationals but not at the Vancouver Olympics. He kept the program and won the first of his three World titles the next season, smashing three world records in the process.

The very good thing from this experience is that he learned to be careful with his health and has not suffered any career impeding injury since.

 

[4everchan]

That H1N1 flu cost Patrick a few medals, including possibly an Olympic one. It was not the flu itself that directly caused his under performances but the subsequent over training upon recovery that caused his calf injury. The injury's healing was expedited with ISU approved PRP treatment, i.e. with his own blood spun and platelet rich plasma extracted and injected into the injured area. He canceled the Rostelecom GP and debut the season at Skate Canada with the worst finish at this event, sixth place with 3 falls. That was his only chance to test his new LP (POTO) in front of international judges before the Olympics. He performed a clean POTO at the Nationals but not at the Vancouver Olympics. He kept the program and won the first of his three World titles the next season, smashing three world records in the process.

The very good thing from this experience is that he learned to be careful with his health and has not suffered any career impeding injury since.

well, let's say that yes, patrick may have medaled in vancouver... but it is hypothetical as he could have skated worse if he had been in contention...

but yes, i agree about him taking care of his body... really happy...

 

[Violet Bliss]

well, let's say that yes, patrick may have medaled in vancouver... but it is hypothetical as he could have skated worse if he had been in contention...

He was in contention, even a bit over hyped as the gold medal hope for Canada considering his injury shortened season, with only two events that season before the Olympics. He was the World Silver Medalist and a rising star. In fact, he received too much media attention, including negative spins, during the Games, a major distraction Plushenko smartly avoided.

 

[4everchan]

He was in contention, even a bit over hyped as the gold medal hope for Canada considering his injury shortened season, with only two events that season before the Olympics. He was the World Silver Medalist and a rising star. In fact, he received too much media attention, including negative spins, during the Games, a major distraction Plushenko smartly avoided.

i wouldn't say he was the same way as a contender as he was in Sochi... but YMMV....he was indeed the silver medalist from previous worlds but not all the guys were there... like plushy... lambiel... etc so to me, he was at best in contention perhaps for a bronze... not a gold... and that was before getting injured, switching coaches and all... so before the games had even started, I couldn't see him on the podium despite my wildest dreams... but that's me.

After the short program, he did better but he was definitely no more in contention then right?

Look i am not belittling Patrick at all. All I am saying is that if he had been 100% healthy, at 17, at home, he may have felt more pressure, the same kind he felt at Sochi.

but again, YMMV ...

all i was doing here is making a joke about H1N1 which I had and it was extremely intense... I was dead for the entire 10 days i was quarantined and missed some good opportunities... When I started to get better, I had lost a lot of strength... it was tough to get back into the gym... and I didn't take muscle weakening drugs nor am I a professional athlete...

 

[xeyra]

He performed a clean POTO at the Nationals but not at the Vancouver Olympics. He kept the program and won the first of his three World titles the next season, smashing three world records in the process.

I assume this was in 2011? Do you remember which performances he broke the records at the time with? I have been trying to compile a list of older performances I need to watch and I'd love to see more vintage Patrick.

Edit: I have seen his 2013 TEB performances. :luv17:

 

[4everchan]

very good idea xeyra...

i think we should have a list of Patrick's "best" or at least "cleanest" performance for each program!!!!!!

teb 2013 is a keeper for sure like 4cc 2016 LP. GFP 2017 SP and for now, until better 2017 LP Nationals. and going back to all his wonderful programs.... 2008 Nationals LP and SP.

 

[xeyra]

very good idea xeyra...

i think we should have a list of Patrick's "best" or at least "cleanest" performance for each program!!!!!!

teb 2013 is a keeper for sure like 4cc 2016 LP. GFP 2017 SP and for now, until better 2017 LP Nationals. and going back to all his wonderful programs.... 2008 Nationals LP and SP.

Okay, adding 2008 Nationals to my list. Definitely haven't gone that far in time in my youtube searches. The others I've watched already and loved. Any more recs?

 

[Violet Bliss]

i wouldn't say he was the same way as a contender as he was in Sochi... but YMMV....he was indeed the silver medalist from previous worlds but not all the guys were there... like plushy... lambiel... etc so to me, he was at best in contention perhaps for a bronze... not a gold... and that was before getting injured, switching coaches and all... so before the games had even started, I couldn't see him on the podium despite my wildest dreams... but that's me.

After the short program, he did better but he was definitely no more in contention then right?

Look i am not belittling Patrick at all. All I am saying is that if he had been 100% healthy, at 17, at home, he may have felt more pressure, the same kind he felt at Sochi.

but again, YMMV ...

My mileage doesn't vary much from yours. I could not realisitcally expect him to win the OGM under the circumstances but a medal was quite possible. I was just describing the unrealistic expectation and hype at the time regardless of his unfortunate season leading up to the Games. Such hype and media demands were great distractions for Patrick, not to mention all the trapping questions and manufactured controversies directed at this guileless young athlete. But there were silver linings, indeed blessings in disguise, for Patrick, us fans, and the sport of figure skating from those experiences.

all i was doing here is making a joke about H1N1 which I had and it was extremely intense... I was dead for the entire 10 days i was quarantined and missed some good opportunities... When I started to get better, I had lost a lot of strength... it was tough to get back into the gym... and I didn't take muscle weakening drugs nor am I a professional athlete...

We are all truly glad you survived and are so alive!

 

[4everchan]

We are all truly glad you survived and are so alive!

it's like the chicken and the egg... if there is no Patrick Chan, there is no 4everchan... if there is no 4everchan ... OH WAIT... haha...

 

[skatingfan4ever]

Okay, adding 2008 Nationals to my list. Definitely haven't gone that far in time in my youtube searches. The others I've watched already and loved. Any more recs?

2012 Nationals SP and LP
2009 Nationals LP (the only time he landed 2 3As in an LP before 2016 4CC, IIRC)
2009 4CC SP (hard to choose which of this SP is best though)
2011 Nationals for POTO, although the only mistake at Worlds was a stepout on the 3A

Do you want Exs too, or just competitive programs?

 

[xeyra]

2012 Nationals SP and LP
2009 Nationals LP (the only time he landed 2 3As in an LP before 2016 4CC, IIRC)
2009 4CC SP (hard to choose which of this SP is best though)
2011 Nationals for POTO, although the only mistake at Worlds was a stepout on the 3A

Do you want Exs too, or just competitive programs?

I'd welcome some gala programs too. I'm planning on finding some time to binge watch some of the more vintage figure skating videos of both competitive and Exhibition programs before Worlds.

BTW, I was watching the 2011 Worlds SP and you can really see how much figure skating has changed in 7 years, because back then the 4T was awe inspiring (the commentators were all 'so many points' 'wow'). And damn, Patrick was really good at the 4T-3T even back then, in which I assume was his first season using it?

 

[Violet Bliss]

BTW, I was watching the 2011 Worlds SP and you can really see how much figure skating has changed in 7 years, because back then the 4T was awe inspiring (the commentators were all 'so many points' 'wow'). And damn, Patrick was really good at the 4T-3T even back then, in which I assume was his first season using it?

Patrick was scheduled to learn and add the 4T to his programs in the 2009-10 season but had to delay it due to the injury. He learned the quad quickly and easily under Coach Krall with a very important input from Johnson. With an >80% success rate at practice, he debut them at SC 2010. Doing them in competition proved difficult and he fell multiple times at his GP events, still winning SC due to high BV of rotated quads and coming in 2nd at Rostelecom. Fans of his rivals were outraged and he was harshly criticized. In fact, to many, he could do nothing right or well during the anti-Chan fervor. He adjusted mentally with help from Brian Boitano and skated clean programs at the GPF 2010 in China, shocking and disappointing his detractors. The Nationals performance was sensational and with just a 3A step-out at Worlds 2011, he became a World Champion. In fact he started a winning streak from GPF 2010, collecting nothing but gold medals for about two years straight.

My thoughts on his triple Worlds titles and accomplishments to come later.............

 

[blueberryhill]

it's like the chicken and the egg... if there is no Patrick Chan, there is no 4everchan... if there is no 4everchan ... OH WAIT... haha...

Just a little Beatles to brighten up the Patrick Chan Fan Fest!

I am he
As you are he
As you are me
And we are all together

 

[skatingfan4ever]

I'd welcome some gala programs too. I'm planning on finding some time to binge watch some of the more vintage figure skating videos of both competitive and Exhibition programs before Worlds.

BTW, I was watching the 2011 Worlds SP and you can really see how much figure skating has changed in 7 years, because back then the 4T was awe inspiring (the commentators were all 'so many points' 'wow'). And damn, Patrick was really good at the 4T-3T even back then, in which I assume was his first season using it?

Yes, 2011 was his first season with the quad. It was his combination of consistent 4Ts and superb skating skills/programs that allowed him to dominate for those couple of seasons. Before 2011, people complained that he placed so high without a quad. but then he got one and it was super consistent.

Patrick Exs that I find most memorable:
2007 TEB "Nessun Dorma" (a pop version though )
2008 Nationals "Yesterday"
2009 Festa on Ice "Time to Say Goodbye"
2011 Nationals "Don't Worry, Be Happy"
2012 Worlds "Elegie" (later reworked into the 2013/2014 SP)
2014 Nationals "Steppin' Out"
2014 SOI "Best of Me" (best quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQ68H0E124)
2014 The Ice "Esqualo," which is followed by a short Elegie duet with Jeff Buttle, choreographer of both the Ex and the SP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXCji-u6oCE)
2015 "Mack the Knife" (I don't like his SP to this, but the Ex is fun) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD_y1ChT_rU
2016 "Dear Prudence/Blackbird" (most videos on YouTube are muted, so go to DailyMotion)

He's done some more Exs, but still that's a long list. Enjoy!

 

[skatingfan4ever]

Oh, and I just watched "Moondance" for the first time in YEARS!!! It was great, very fun and with a lot of jumps. So that goes on my list now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgdzi5AmcM0

 

[Violet Bliss]

Oh, and I just watched "Moondance" for the first time in YEARS!!! It was great, very fun and with a lot of jumps. So that goes on my list now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgdzi5AmcM0

Ha, I was thinking of how you could miss Moondance.

I kind of miss Patrick's fun and funny show programs by Lori. OTOH, turning well loved "serious" exhibition numbers into competition SP is not a bad practice. Hoping for Esqualo.