Plushenko: "What is happening is absurd."

[Novalis]

For me, national scores - not just rusnats, watch USA nationals or Canadian nationals for some insane scoring - should not be looked as absolute values. They ARE inflated.
So questions like "how come she got 80 with a fall" are meaningless.

The main discussion point would be if the order is correct, and if everyone was overscored equally. And here, I'd say that Sasha was scored fairly compared to others. SP is always her weakness, and this specific SP highlights her weaknesses (unlike her FS). If anything, she probably was overscored compared to some less known skaters who actually had the same tech content. I mean, come on, she got almost same PCs as Usacheva (just watch both skates one after the other to see my point).

I understand that, by his behaviour after her skate, Plushenko expected her to get 90 at least and was upset.
Also, his interview quite clearly is not about fair scores, his interview is about "his" skaters not being placed above everyone else.

Honestly, I thought Dasha didn't get a deserved edge call, so Sasha should have been third

 

[lariko]

Imo, Trusova focused this year specifically on overcoming weakness in the short by improving SS element of the PCS and furthering her progress on 3A. A mindset that ‘she is just never good at the short program’ is too static

 

[charlotte14]

Wow! Nationals scoring is so interesting!

You should remember they scored Kamila 85 for SP in a Russian Cup without 3A. Now, that was absurb.

 

[nussnacker]

Honestly, I thought Dasha didn't get a deserved edge call, so Sasha should have been third

Well, it still wouldn’t affect the final standings. I felt like Maiia was underscored in the SP on one of the stages, but then a couple of points here and there were still not going to affect the final standings.

 

[Novalis]

You should remember they scored Kamila 85 for SP in a Russian Cup without 3A. Now, that was absurb.

If you were even trying to be fair, you would write 82 instead of 85. So tiresome.

 

[charlotte14]

If you were even trying to be fair, you would write 82 instead of 85. So tiresome.

It was 82 not 85? I did not remember the correct number then. I mostly remember that it was way above 80 and it was ridiculous.

 

[Novalis]

It was 82 not 85? I did not remember the correct number then. I mostly remember that it was way above 80 and it was ridiculous.

3 bonus points. Extra bonus system. So the system is not comparable. 82 with normal system. Then you take 4 points of national inflation out, you got 78. (I've calculated it to be usually 4 points for top ladies in SP.)

She got 75 in Junior Worlds with one unbalanced landing. Maybe you have a point or two points case here, but the SP you're talking about also happens to be the very popular among fans, so I bet she did something unusually right.

 

[charlotte14]

3 bonus points. Extra bonus system. So the system is not comparable. 82 with normal system. Then you take 4 points of national inflation out, you got 78. (I've calculated it to be usually 4 points for top ladies in SP.)

She got 75 in Junior Worlds with one unbalanced landing. Maybe you have a point or two points case here, but the SP you're talking about also happens to be the very popular among fans, so I bet she did something unusually right.

I have no problem with the SP itself, I am just saying 80 or 82 or 85 for SP without 3A is unacceptable. But yeah we know it is just national level scoring so... okay... just hope that it won't be like that internationally or we will run out of scores to give.

 

[Novalis]

I have no problem with the SP itself, I am just saying 80 or 82 or 85 for SP without 3A is unacceptable. But yeah we know it is just national level scoring.

Oh right yes, you weren't actually comparing Kamila to others. My bad. But yes, you're right on that. But maybe Alyona last season could just about reach 80 with international judges with just 2A. Didn't she get like 85,5 or something at GPF with 3A?

Edit: 85.45 and the 3A in live scoring was 10.88, so can you get 5.43 for 2A, no, you can't. So yeah, even the gold standard SP would be maybe 79 with 2A.

 

[Jaana]

Er... I’d say if there’s a game to play with the federation, I’d think Mishin would be a pro at playing it. Yagudin didn’t win a single Russian national title after all.

Yeah. but that was not because of Mishin... Plushenko just skated better at the Nationals. Besides, a national win is only then important if there is just one slot for major competitions to follow.

 

[Amei]

Yeah. but that was not because of Mishin... Plushenko just skated better at the Nationals. Besides, a national win is only then important if there is just one slot for major competitions to follow.

Tell that to Maxim Kovtun who won Nationals in an Olympic season when Russia had 1 spot for men's and it was given to a skater who had barely competed for several years and had injuries galore.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Tell that to Maxim Kovtun who won Nationals in an Olympic season when Russia had 1 spot for men's and it was given to a skater who had barely competed for several years and had injuries galore.

That's incorrect.

Maxim was sent - along with Sergei V and Kostya Menshov to Euros, where he folded like a deck chair under the pressure. As he had the previous year at Worlds which resulted in the 1 spot at the Olympics problem anyway! (Funnily enough rather than been torn to shreds and made a person non-grata by the Russian Figure Skating Fed the way Artur Gachinsky was in 2012 for also wilting under pressure and dropping Russia to 1 spot, Maxim was continually supported, but then he was being trained by Tatiana Tarasova at the time)

Now, obviously either Sergei or Kostya should have got the spot, but our good friends at the Russian Figure Skating Fed didn't consider them for one second.

Because they wanted - they needed someone with nerves of steel, who could face the home crowd,(the men's SP was not only the first event of the Teams competition it was the first event of the Games), Plushy was pretty much it.

Now I think either Sergei or Kostya should have had the chance...but if it was between Maxim or Plushy, Plushy was the better choice.

 

[Bentley]

Maybe you didn't, but I get tired of every single achievement of Plushenko's been dismissed, people are forever claiming he was just "lucky" to skate at the time he did, that anyone could have done what he'd done. That he had no artistry and the only thing he was ever good at was jumps - but oh wait suddenly he was crap at those too. Oh he could only do one type of quad, never mind he had almost a 100% success rate with it. Stephane Lambiel was better, Daisuke Takahashi was better, Patrick Chan was better, he was just lucky that's all. You have no idea, there are actually former Plushenko fans who hate his guts and do you know why? Because he skated in Eurovision I'm not even joking, the main Plushenko fan site on the net before his official one was turned into a hate site because he skated in Eurovision and they didn't like it. Can you imagine Yuzu Hanyu getting that sort of hate? Or Stephane? Or any of them?

Then you've got Eteri walking around calling him a fraud, Yagudin posting nasty little memes and half the internet wishing he'd just disappear.

So excuse me for being defensive. Apart from Adelina Sotnikova and maybe Zhenya Med the other Russian skaters don't have a clue what it's like to be truly hated.

Maybe if Plushenko was not such a Jerk, he would be better liked. It has always been about him. Look at me, aren't I great. He has been arrogant since the day he first showed up in competitions. There have been skaters that were robbed by the Judges but he was not one of them.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Maybe if Plushenko was not such a Jerk, he would be better liked. It has always been about him. Look at me, aren't I great. He has been arrogant since the day he first showed up in competitions. There have been skaters that were robbed by the Judges but he was not one of them.

Oh Alexei Yagudin isn't a jerk? A homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, racist piece of work?

He's actually a horrible human being, but not only does he get a pass, he gets to commentate and announce to all of Russia that Jason Brown is a disgrace to skating and is a little sissy boy.

He can actually, publically wish death on Adam Rippon on Insta and be rewarded with a hosting gig on Ice Age where he was free to make blow job jokes at a teenager, Alina Zagitova.

But God forbid Plushenko, who no matter what you think was the best skater of his generation be proud of his achievements. OMG what a piece of crap he is.

Screw this thread. Why don't you head over to the Plushenko hate site, you'd feel right at home there.

 

[Sweet Dream]

It’s not even worth hoping for. Believe me.
I think Plushenko is fully prepared to fit into this envelope system. The problem is that they don't want to let him in there. Eteri doesn't want to. She wants everything to herself IMO.

This team wanted to sweep the podium. Russians should know clearly what role Plushenko is playing in this sport and what they are trying to kill with their own dirty hands.

 

[flanker]

I have no problem with the SP itself, I am just saying 80 or 82 or 85 for SP without 3A is unacceptable. But yeah we know it is just national level scoring so... okay... just hope that it won't be like that internationally or we will run out of scores to give.

Why? It's perfectly acceptable. Alina and Evgenia received 80+ points without 3A internationally. It's perfectly acceptable, the is no rule that would anyhow support your claim.

 

[charlotte14]

Why? It's perfectly acceptable. Alina and Evgenia received 80+ points without 3A internationally. It's perfectly acceptable, the is no rule that would anyhow support your claim.

Did I ever say I support Alina and Evgenia getting +80 for SP without 3A? IMO they were massively overscored.

 

[flanker]

Did I ever say I support Alina and Evgenia getting +80 for SP without 3A? IMO they were massively overscored.

Evrybody has the right for its own opinion, of course. Incl. that there is nothing unacceptable on receiving 80+ for a short program without a 3A. 80 points is a number, not very significant one, just optically it looks better "rounded" than let's say 78.57. The barrier you see at 80 is purely psychological.

 

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Evrybody has the right for its own opinion, of course. Incl. that there is nothing unacceptable on receiving 80+ for a short program without a 3A. 80 points is a number, not very significant one, just optically it looks better "rounded" than let's say 78.57. The barrier you see at 80 is purely psychological.

You take BV - it's the only objective thing. Then there is a combination of GOE and pcs. The only meaningful yet still subjective argument is whether GOE for a particular element or pcs component is too high vs. some standard or other skaters. For me KV sets the standards in many aspects of her skating.

 

[Jontor]

My problem with rewarding Kamila's 3A attempt is that when - at some earlier competitions - Sasha was not rewarded for attempting 3A we could hear that "it is not enough to attempt, she needs to deliver" although she did not even fall but just had a step out or an imperfect landing. The very same people seem to be alright with this huge reward for Kamila for a 3A attempt resulting in a fall.

What are you talking about? Kamila got 2.20 points for that 3A, which is the lowest you can get for an underrotated 3A. It would only be lower if she had popped it into a 1A.
Sasha got 5.60 at Stage Two (very bad landing)
And 6.24 at Stage Four (also bad landing).
And here Sasha had 4.29 for her 2A so she outscored Kamila with over 2 points on this element.

Honestly, insinuations like this with no reality behind it - it's just plain lies - is not constructive and it doesn't help Sasha at all. They will probably do more harm. I wish that people would fact check themselves before making statements like this.

This is how fake news spreads. With that statement you got 5 likes from people who obviously doesn't fact check either or simply don't understand the rules. And they in turn spread the lies.