Yup, very likely.
Hopefully she is healthy next season, and has some good time to prepare for the seniors.
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Yup, very likely.
Hopefully she is healthy next season, and has some good time to prepare for the seniors.
I don't know about that. She does have the SB score to have at least one GP event and if she is back to her usual standards she most likely would get the 3rd Rostelecom spot as her 2nd GP event. However, we need to remember that Sima and Maria weren't let to move to seniors despite the fact that Sima medaled at the Junior Worlds. Why was that, I am not sure but I would guess it was about how the Russian Fed felt about their senior and junior teams at the time. How they will feel about their teams now is anybody's guess. Their junior team is surely a lot stronger that what it was a couple of seasons ago, so, they don't need Polina there if this was part of the reason why they didn't let Sima and Masha to move to seniors a couple of years ago. The other possible reason to hold back Maria and Sima was that Russian Fed felt they didn't have room for them in seniors.
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Small correction, Maria was not a Jr World medalist until last year and she did move up to Seniors afterward.
https://twitter.com/absoluteskating/status/843393164799107072
>she probably still needs time to recover from injuries.
What a fair player!
Knows she still injured,
knows she still needs time to recover,
still doesnt give places to an other girl with more chances.
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>she probably still needs time to recover from injuries.
What a fair player!
Knows she still injured,
knows she still needs time to recover,
still doesnt give places to an other girl with more chances.
0/10
I remember, I didn't mean that sentence to sound like they both medaled but I guess that is what it did sound like.
Anyway, the point was that they both were held back despite good results and the fact that Sima would have got two GP events for sure wasn't a factor to let her move to seniors, so, one shouldn't think that it would be a decisive factor in Polina's case either. The decisive factor is what Russian Fed and Eteri thinks about this matter and that is something we don't know yet.
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And it turned out to be a good decision for Maria and if they decide to keep Polina as a junior, it may well be the best for her. She can work on healing and gaining consistency. Maybe she will be more like Pogo and have a steady rise to the top and longevity instead of being like others who lit the World on fire in their first Senior season only to burn out the next. Yeah the Olympics are next season and she is age eligible but I hope her team make a good decision and not try to rush anything.
Yep, I also think it was good for Maria and I would be totally OK with Polina staying in juniors if that is what Eteri and the Federation thinks is best for her.
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Polina too good for Juniors....
She doesn't look like a junior.
She doesn't skate like a junior.
She is much better than most seniors ladies......
IMO. She should move to Seniors next season.
She was born on July 11, 2001 ... 11 days early .... and she could be seniors already at this season. I don't see any reason to keep Polina as a junior. Not a single one...
my only hope... next season will be bright for her. and injured free....
She doesn't look like a junior.
She doesn't skate like a junior.
She is much better than most seniors ladies......
IMO. She should move to Seniors next season.
She was born on July 11, 2001 ... 11 days early .... and she could be seniors already at this season. I don't see any reason to keep Polina as a junior. Not a single one...
my only hope... next season will be bright for her. and injured free....
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Up to what age can the ladies compete as juniors?
This is absolutely nonsense to talk about staying Polina in juniors!
Because at least of three reasons:
first
Senior Russian Ladies team is not so deep, because even Leonova and Sakhanovich got GP spots!
second
This is OLYMPIC SEASON!
third
Polina has superb quality of jumping technique and if she is clean then she will always be at least in top 4 of Russian team among with Zhenya, Anna and Alina
Because at least of three reasons:
first
Senior Russian Ladies team is not so deep, because even Leonova and Sakhanovich got GP spots!
second
This is OLYMPIC SEASON!
third
Polina has superb quality of jumping technique and if she is clean then she will always be at least in top 4 of Russian team among with Zhenya, Anna and Alina
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and superb quality of presentation as well. I just can't take my eyes off her programs. I don't know how many times I have watched Polina's Short Program. And every time it is new and fresh to me. I am literally transfixed. Like... how can someone so young be as elegant and emotional as that?? Really.. :luv17:
She just has to stay healthy!
The upper age limit is 19 years. For example, if we are talking about next season then junior eligible ladies must have born before July 1, 1998. Single skaters can skate 6 seasons in juniors if they start the first year they have become eligible.
All true but I always kind of thought that she would move to seniors in a similar fashion as what Adelina, Yulia, Lena, Zhenia and Alina did, or in Alina's case will do, meaning Junior Worlds Champion. And if not as a Champion then at least as a medalist like Sima, Maria, Anna and Liza. Not all of them were Junior Worlds champions or medalist at their last junior season but nonetheless they all had had a very successful junior career before they moved to seniors.
On the other hand if she does stay in juniors then Russia's JGP team will be super crowded with super-talented ladies which will be no news obviously but for next season their team would be even more crowded than what it was in this season.
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it's the right decision
But you should remember that for example Maria's coach thought at the time that Maria would move to seniors but the Federation decided otherwise. So, Polina's choreographer can't know at this time if Polina will or will not move to seniors. I bet Eteri can't know that for sure yet, unless the Federation has given the decision about the matter to her which I doubt is the case.
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Don't be mean. :noshake:
Well, in the past Sakhanovich and Leonova may have got spot, but if you count current ladies, then you will figure out that the number of spots is limited. There is only max 3 spots per country per GP event, so in theory there is max 18 spots. However, the host countries can decide who they would invite, and some countries will not invite three Russian ladies because they want their skaters to have a chance to medal. So I am pretty sure Japan and USA won't have three Russian ladies, no matter what. So suddenly you have 16 spots.
I can see the following skaters getting two spots:
Medvedeva, Pogorilaya, Radionova, Sotskova, Zagitova, Tuktamysheva,
And then you will have only two spots left. Will you give it to Lipnitskaya, Leonova, Sakhanovich, Konstantinova or Tsurskaya? There is no fair way to do it, everyone will have different opinion. As I see it, Leonova has been gradually dropping, Sakhanovich has had now two bad seasons, and Lipnitskaya was struggling too. On the other hand, Konstantinova did not particularly shine in juniors either, and home competitions were inflated to push her up. Pity that the federation can't arrange her to be pushed up internationally. So in theory, Tsurskaya has a chance, unless the junior worlds results start messing up with her head. Getting 150 at the competition did not happen to her since she was about 11 or 12 years old, so it may leave a strong impact on her (same as Gold struggled to get out of feeling of failure after the worlds). And then it would obviously affect her skating... we will see what she manages to do. I agree that her presentation was beautiful, unfortunately the judges did not value it enough.
First two are not so stable. Tuktamysheva?! If you judge Polina for one season, I can judge Liza for two seasons, and it's worse than Polina's. Especially her last competition at Universiade.
For now I see only three stable girls: Zhenya, Alina, Anna. Radio and Sotskova showing some strange results, expecially Sotskova's results at Russian Nationals. So for me it would be a tight fight for 3 spots between four girls: Stasya, Polina, Radio and Sotskova. And maybe Liza, if in the next season she will find herself.
Well, Zhenya, Alina and Anna will have 2 spots each for sure. So that leaves 10 spots open, lets say.
Imho while Sotskova was not stellar at europeans, if she places top 10 at Worlds, she will have 2 spots for sure.
Thats 8 left.
Then, we have Radionova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaya, Leonova, Sakhanovich, Konstantinova and Tsurskaya.
Looking at how those ladies performed this season (rounded up numbers a bit)...
Radionova
Gold and Silver at her GPs, 5th at nationals.
SP: 68 - 72
FS: 120 - 135
Tuktamysheva
4th and Bronze at GPs, 8th at nationals.
SP: 60 - 67
FS: 102 - 130
Lipnitskaya
Pretty much no major international competitions, WD from nationals too.
SP: 63 - 70
FS: 100 - 105
Leonova
12th at her GP, 13th at nationals
SP: 55 - 65
FS: 90 - 127
Sakhanovich
7th at GP, 12th at nationals
SP: 50 - 61
FS: 100 - 117
Konstantinova
2nd and 4th at JGP, 6th at Junior Worlds.
SP: 58 - 71
FS: 103 - 132
Tsurskaya
2 JGP golds
SP: 54 - 70
FS: 100 - 135
We have basically 3 groups here:
1. Skaters that, while not at Medvedeva level, are pretty good, even if inconsistent: Radionova, Konstantinova, Tsurskaya. While they have their ups and downs, they showed they are capable of winning some GP medals. Also, Radio and Polina have previous seasons to back them up.
2. Tuktik, between groups 1 and 3.
3. Lipnitskaya, Leonova, Sakhanovich. While it would be sad to see them out of the GP circuit, but those skaters kinda do not look like a safe plan B.
Also, I suppose russian fed will not spread thin, because they can totally get 4+ skaters to GPF and they will totally want to do it.
So i think Polina's chances of getting 2 GP spots next season are kinda decent. And considering it is Olympic season, i suppose it is worth turning senior.
Imho while Sotskova was not stellar at europeans, if she places top 10 at Worlds, she will have 2 spots for sure.
Thats 8 left.
Then, we have Radionova, Tuktamysheva, Lipnitskaya, Leonova, Sakhanovich, Konstantinova and Tsurskaya.
Looking at how those ladies performed this season (rounded up numbers a bit)...
Radionova
Gold and Silver at her GPs, 5th at nationals.
SP: 68 - 72
FS: 120 - 135
Tuktamysheva
4th and Bronze at GPs, 8th at nationals.
SP: 60 - 67
FS: 102 - 130
Lipnitskaya
Pretty much no major international competitions, WD from nationals too.
SP: 63 - 70
FS: 100 - 105
Leonova
12th at her GP, 13th at nationals
SP: 55 - 65
FS: 90 - 127
Sakhanovich
7th at GP, 12th at nationals
SP: 50 - 61
FS: 100 - 117
Konstantinova
2nd and 4th at JGP, 6th at Junior Worlds.
SP: 58 - 71
FS: 103 - 132
Tsurskaya
2 JGP golds
SP: 54 - 70
FS: 100 - 135
We have basically 3 groups here:
1. Skaters that, while not at Medvedeva level, are pretty good, even if inconsistent: Radionova, Konstantinova, Tsurskaya. While they have their ups and downs, they showed they are capable of winning some GP medals. Also, Radio and Polina have previous seasons to back them up.
2. Tuktik, between groups 1 and 3.
3. Lipnitskaya, Leonova, Sakhanovich. While it would be sad to see them out of the GP circuit, but those skaters kinda do not look like a safe plan B.
Also, I suppose russian fed will not spread thin, because they can totally get 4+ skaters to GPF and they will totally want to do it.
So i think Polina's chances of getting 2 GP spots next season are kinda decent. And considering it is Olympic season, i suppose it is worth turning senior.
I also forgot to mention Alisa Fedichkina. I hope she will move to seniors, because in juniors for her will be much harder. But she could easy compete at seniors with Leonova, Sakhanovich and other unstable girls.
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