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Also, in a combo like 3F+1T or 3F+3T< I counted that as a failed flip.
Oh, I definitely didn't. They completed the Flip, the second jump doesn't have anything to do with it.
Also, in a combo like 3F+1T or 3F+3T< I counted that as a failed flip.
Hard to say. I assume that the main reason that there are twice as many flips as loops is simply that the CoP rewards this. If we switched the values around, I would expect suddenly to see a lot more loops -- just like we suddenly started seeing more Biellmann positions than ever before when the CoP started giving out big points for it.Gold Medalist said:Then again, 10 ladies did not even schedule a 3Loop in their program (as compared to only 3 ladies not even trying the Flip). You've got to wonder how many of those 10 ladies would have failed if they attempted the Loop. If you assume that all 10 would have failed and all 3 of the ladies who didn't do the Flip would have failed on that jump, the success rate for the Flip is higher.
Without going back and looking at the tapes, I assumed that the main reason they couldn't complete the second jump was because the landing on the first wasn't good enough.Oh, I definitely didn't. They completed the Flip, the second jump doesn't have anything to do with it.
Solo flips: 8 for 17, 47%
Flip combos: 7 for 14, 50%
Solo loops, 7 for 12, 58%
Loop combos, 5 for 6, 83% (supporting Joe's claim about loop combos )
Solo Lutz, 12 for 22, 55%
Lutz combo, 13 for 17, 77%
Hmm. Good point. Maybe some of the missed solo jumps were actually supposed to be the first jump of a combo, so I misclassified them.I don't it supports Joe's claim in anything, or do you think that a Lutz combo is easier than a simple Lutz and a Flip combo esaier than a Flip?
Hard to say. I assume that the main reason that there are twice as many flips and loops is simply that the CoP rewards this. If we switched the values around, I would expect suddenly to see a lot more loops -- just like we suddenly started seeing more Biellmann positions than ever before when the CoP started giving out big points for it.
In fact, IMHO that really is a flaw in the whole concept of the CoP. Whatever the point values are set at, the Code of Points determines what every skater will try to put in his/her program.
Loop combos, 5 for 6, 83% (supporting Joe's claim about loop combos )
The BIGGEST problem with CoP is not with the system itself (the potential of what the system could be, anyway) but in how it confuses the Audience. People just don't like numbers. 6.0 was relatable, CoP isn't.
I don't think it's true. People on these boards think 6.0 is relatable because they watched many competitions with it, because they born with it. But for all those who came after CoP ... I'm one of them... COP is far more understandable and logical than 6.0 will ever be.
I'm sorry to word it this way but CoP is a "manly" judging system. Followers of Football and Baseball LOVE talking about numbers - the stats of teams and players. But with figure skating, the fanbase is much more casual. All those housewives who drove the viewership of Figure Skating through the roof never really cared about the sport of it all and never had to THINK about what skaters were doing. They just watched and liked seeing the pretty moves. Now they don't get what is going on when the scores come up.
Women can't work with numbers?
I think at Nationals this past year (or the year before, or both...at least one of them anyway) they put up a little chart showing the range of scores which are Great, Good, Average, Bad.
This relates to a thread we had a while back in which the point was made that people can only distinguish about 7 different gradations with any consistency and accuracy. Now we are looking at 13.Gold Medalist said:ASSIGNING GRADES OF EXECUTION:
*Judges can give “half” of a GOE value to any element. In other words: -2.5, -1.5, -.5, .5, 1.5, 2.5 are now GOE values which can be assigned to an element.
Poor Michelle. Does she have to do everything? Can't someone else save figure skating? What's Slutskaya doing these days? (Oh, that's right -- she's having a baby.)Then, after that happens, Michelle Kwan can announce that she is going to come back and compete for a year-and-a-half more. It would be nice if Cohen joins in on the fun too. The ISU should then try to create as big of a media storm as possible, drawing in viewers and letting them get used to the new system under the comfortable presence of THE KWAN.