Here's one pre-IJS program with spins in both directions that received top marks for choreography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z79TMsYRnEc
How does it look "off" to spin both ways?
It only looks "off" because we're used to seeing skaters only jump and spin in one direction.
And they do that because they can't jump and spin with nearly the same quality in both directions.
So the elements look off if done poorly.
For a skater who does have the ability to rotate both ways, that opens up more choreographic options. Do it well enough, and there will be rewards, not penalties, in the choreography score.
Low-rotational moves such as crossovers and turns on the ice are supposed to be rewarded if done in both directions. It looks more interesting to see patterns curving in both directions. Judges will reward it in the Choreography component -- and also under Skating Skills (the "multidirectional skating" criterion).
The IJS rules don't reward elements done in opposite direction (except as a feature for spins or lifts that change direction within a single element).
And jumps or isolated spins or lifts in the "bad" direction will not earn any extra base value under IJS. In 6.0 days they may have been rewarded for added difficulty if the judges noticed.
Judges will penalize elements that are done poorly in the GOEs.
Which is why most skaters don't include rotational elements in their bad direction.
But there would be reward, not penalty, under Choreography for including them successfully.
Here's one pre-IJS program with spins in both directions that received top marks for choreography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z79TMsYRnEc
How does it look "off" to spin both ways?
Sonja Henie never wore her hair in a bun or pony tail. I wish more of the ladies wore their hair "down".
And get in the way of spotting? no thank you. We did not have Henie attempting 3axels for good reason.
Spinning in both directions is fine, jumping not so much. It has nothing to do with what the untrained naked eye thinks looks "off" because it is used to seeing things in one direction. It's a choreographic insider be all end all that you don't do it for competitive programs...
I was stating that it looks off and will not be rewarded by many ISU judges if you try to jump both ways and in combo. Also, in with my background, I know what will and will not be "rewarded." Spinning in both directions is fine, jumping not so much. It has nothing to do with what the untrained naked eye thinks looks "off" because it is used to seeing things in one direction. It's a choreographic insider be all end all that you don't do it for competitive programs unless you are trying to sabotage your skater, which I'd hope most choreographers aren't trying to do.
I think I have no problem with the choreography if they can jump in both directions. But it seems there is certain difficulty since you have 12 jumps for a LP. It would cost you a huge amount of energy and concentration. If you can do it in a SP, then welcome. LP is more about endurance I think.Don't you think that if Rohene Ward worked with a skater with his own God given talent for jumping in both directions, he could use that skater's skill and choreograph a masterpiece? Whether it would be rewarded by the judges is another story, but I have no doubt that it would be
Is this true in dance (floor dance, not ice dance) choreography, too? Is there some general esthetic principle that makes turning and turning mostly in the same direction more pleasing than going one way, then another?
Or do you mean that this is a convention that has been agreed upon by the ice skating judging community? If so, this is a new development, right? After all, the basic move in figure skating is the figure eight. One of the judging criteria is whether the clockwise lobe is as good as the counterclockwise one.
I disagree. From my perspective (not untrained), jumping in both directions is a problem that might "sabotage" a skater for quality reasons, not for choreography reasons.
(Doing waltz jumps in both directions in my current program)
Don't you think that if Rohene Ward worked with a skater with his own God given talent for jumping in both directions, he could use that skater's skill and choreograph a masterpiece? Whether it would be rewarded by the judges is another story, but I have no doubt that it would be
http://figureskating.about.com/od/figureskatingtechnique/p/direction.htm
Apparently, I'm not alone on this, yes?! Put your popcorn away.
Spinning and jumpiing in the same direction is important for choreography:
The choreography of a skating routine will look lopsided and wrong if the spins and jumps are done in different directions.
A skater cannot jump one way and spin the other!:
If you prefer landing on your right foot, you must spin with the left foot and exit out of spins on the right leg. You have no choice; otherwise, when you get to more advanced moves, nothing will work properly.
I don't think jumping and spinning in both directions will be much of a problem aesthetically. But's it's true that it might be lopsided. Since human never do both thing in both direction equally, even if they are ambidextrous (from my own experience).
And get in the way of spotting? no thank you. We did not have Henie attempting 3axels for good reason.
Nah, I mean you have a jump sequence, one you jump to the right, one to the left. I think it's look pretty much impressive but these 2 jumps will be likely look unequally. Since people never do both thing equally with both hands. But anyways I don't think it will look wrong if term of choreography.Different era, but carol heiss jumped in one direction and did her spins in the opposite direction. She also did a series(3) of single axels in differing directions.