Skate America Starting Orders and Results (Finally)

[visaliakid]

The Skate America official starting orders/results page is now online here! :agree:

Very interesting lineups indeed! Check them out!

 

[Mathman]

So, there was no random draw and the skaters were just seeded in reverse order of reputation?

 

[feraina]

Well, for JGP events, ISU has been seeding the SP in reverse order of world ranking. That looks like what happened here too. Is it going to be this way for all the other GP events too?

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Does anyone have a quick link to the World Standings? The ISU web page is so difficult to find things you want with a finger touch.

Joe

 

[waxel]

Joe, I think icenetwork has the rankings here:

http://web.icenetwork.com/rankings/index.jsp?disc=ladies&rnk=0

 

[Fozzie Bear]

So, there was no random draw and the skaters were just seeded in reverse order of reputation?

I don't like this method. I thought one of the supposed benefits of the CoP was that those skating early would not be held back in the short program.

 

[Jaana]

I think that it´s an excellent idea to use world ranking in reverse order for short programmes. See, they have a meaning now...(as with the prize last season). Besides, it is kind of like the same idea as for freeskates based on the short programme performances.

I don't like this method. I thought one of the supposed benefits of the CoP was that those skating early would not be held back in the short program.

If one gave a great performance in the old scoring system and skated early, a skater was not held back. A good example is e.g. Ilia Kulik at 1996 Worlds: The second to skate and he won the short programme. I believe the same applies to CoP and skating early even more easily, because of the scoring system.

 

[visaliakid]

Just a reminder... that the IceNetwork World Rankings system is slightly different than the one used by ISU. The starting orders for CD and SP's are based on ISU World Rankings only.

 

[cotillion]

Is anyone else out there having a hard time getting on the ISU site? I wonder if it's down , although I can use the link as posted by Visaliakid, thank you,but only that ,I hope it's up and running by the time the CD starts tomorrow.

 

[Jaana]

I think that because of the ISU ranking system in SP, e.g. Lysacek and Meissner have some kind of a small advantage compared to Takahashi and Ando as the Americans skate just ahead of the Japanese skaters. Personally, I like them all..., and hope that they will do well in SA.

Does anyone have a quick link to the World Standings? The ISU web page is so difficult to find things you want with a finger touch.

Joe

Joe, here it is for you

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130267-131575-nav-list,00.html

 

[Ptichka]

If one gave a great performance in the old scoring system and skated early, a skater was not held back. A good example is e.g. Ilia Kulik at 1996 Worlds: The second to skate and he won the short programme. I believe the same applies to CoP and skating early even more easily, because of the scoring system.

OK, a skater was held back if they skated early and had no reputation to speak of. In '96, Kulik was a reigning junior world champion, and had previously won Europeans. Therefore, judges expected him to do fairly well. GP gives a chance to skaters with far less reputation than that.

Having said that, I think ordering this way is a good idea. It is nice not only for the elite skaters who get to skate at the end, but also for the beginners who cannot be put in the position of having to follow a favorite.

 

[gkelly]

OK, a skater was held back if they skated early and had no reputation to speak of. In '96, Kulik was a reigning junior world champion, and had previously won Europeans. Therefore, judges expected him to do fairly well.

Well, he wasn't the *reigning" junior world champion at 1996 Worlds -- he was at 1995 Worlds, where he was 11th in the short.

Other examples might be, under the old system, Tonya Harding at 1991 Worlds (skated 3rd? and placed 2nd in the short) and, under the new, Mirai Nagasu at 2007 Junior Worlds.

Of course, Kristi Yamaguchi and Caroline Zhang went to those events as known quantities to international judges and as medal favorites, so any judges who also happened to know that Harding and Nagasu, respectively, had beaten them at U.S. Nationals those years would have been expecting something good.

Having said that, I think ordering this way is a good idea. It is nice not only for the elite skaters who get to skate at the end, but also for the beginners who cannot be put in the position of having to follow a favorite.

Especially with as small a field as in the GP events, I don't think the skate order makes much difference to fairness whatever the system. Setting it up this way does theoretically build suspense for the audience. Of course that's no guarantee that the favorites won't end up bombing after all.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Joe, I think icenetwork has the rankings here:

http://web.icenetwork.com/rankings/index.jsp?disc=ladies&rnk=0

Thanks Waxel. I just wanted to check the order of skate but reading those numbers for the Ladies and Men were verrrry interesssssting.

Top 4 Ladies and the Top 4 Men are quite a distance from their respective competitors. Over 200 points based on the average.

Joe

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I think that because of the ISU ranking system in SP, e.g. Lysacek and Meissner have some kind of a small advantage compared to Takahashi and Ando as the Americans skate just ahead of the Japanese skaters. Personally, I like them all..., and hope that they will do well in SA.



Joe, here it is for you

http://www.isu.org/vsite/vnavsite/page/directory/0,10853,4844-130267-131575-nav-list,00.html

Thanks Janna. I noticed the difference. the IceNetwork includes Nationals and ISU does not. Carolina Kostner is not listed in the ISU Standings as top 10.

Joe

 

[Buzzz]

Americans Belbin and Agosto are in first after the waltz.

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpusa07/SEG007.HTM

 

[Dots]

Good for them. D/W are so low though

 

[zephyrskates]

Good for them. D/W are so low though

based on the protocols they were haveily dinged on PCS. it seems that the judges are not showing any love for them inspite of the fact that they finished inside the top ten last world championships.

:scratch: