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You know what would probably send the Rus Fed into having stomach ulcers and make this board explode - Stasya and Sofia going 1-2 at Europeans I'm totally rooting for these 2 to go 1-2
Whoa! You said what????
You know what would probably send the Rus Fed into having stomach ulcers and make this board explode - Stasya and Sofia going 1-2 at Europeans I'm totally rooting for these 2 to go 1-2
Not Worlds but Universiade. And even if Stasya is top Russian lady, it still doesn‘t make sense to send her. In the past it was always the B team that went there. So I understand the confusion on that point. She is still the lady who won them two World titles in a row and went to make a speech to let the Russians compete at the Olympics. She is the one who won them a Silver Medal there. She also won the FS at Nationals, even if she bombed the SP pretty hard. So, while I can see that she‘s struggling and shouldn‘t be on the worlds team there is no justification that she‘s not on the team for the Universiade either. TAT is right on that one. Of course it‘s still hilarious how she didn‘t even go to make a case for Zhenya at that council and complains afterwards. But some of her points are obviously correct.
Also: Zhenya did better internationally this season than Stasya: She’s got a 3rd and 4th placement at the GP and the place where she got her medal was in a tougher field. Her score at SCI was higher than Stasya’s at Rostelecom, hence she‘d have won Silver had she been there. She also got Silver at a Challenger event, compared to Stasya‘s bronze. Yes, Stasya had a better SP at Nationals and overall a better outing but it‘s not like she‘s that far ahead of her in international results.
You know what would probably send the Rus Fed into having stomach ulcers and make this board explode - Stasya and Sofia going 1-2 at Europeans I'm totally rooting for these 2 to go 1-2
And? The thing is overall Konstantinova finished above her in standings. They got the same score at their first GP and there is like a gap of only 3 points between their second GP scores. If scores were the most important, many skaters wouldn't compete at GPF while others would have qualified.
And scores don't always shows who skated better, but who scored better. Some can have higher scores because of their PCS while they did more mistakes than those who got lower scores.
It's the luck of the draw that make some win their GP tickets and not others. So by your logic, i assume that Mai Mihara did better than Samodurova and deserved to be at GPF more than her. Or that Medvedeva didn't even deserve to be in alternate list because her highest score would have get her the 6th place at the toughest GP (NHK trophy).I have nothing against Konstantinova, but the only reason she “did better” on the GP than Zhenya was because of the luck of the draw.
It's the luck of the draw that make some win their GP tickets and not others. So by your logic, i assume that Mai Mihara did better than Samodurova and deserved to be at GPF more than her. Or that Medvedeva didn't even deserve to be in alternate list because her highest score would have get her the 6th place at the toughest GP (NHK trophy).
Standings are what matters. But apparently some people prefer to point scores when that makes their favorite skater looks better.
I don’t really appreciate your tone.
You know what would probably send the Rus Fed into having stomach ulcers and make this board explode - Stasya and Sofia going 1-2 at Europeans I'm totally rooting for these 2 to go 1-2
I have nothing against Konstantinova, but the only reason she “did better” on the GP than Zhenya was because of the luck of the draw. Zhenya’s score at Skate Canada was only good enough for third place there, but would have placed her second in Helsinki. Konstantinova’s Helsinki score would only have been good enough for fourth place in Canada. There’s also the fact that in their only head to head competition on the GP this season, Zhenya placed higher than Konstantinova. As to PCS, well, people who are not fans of a particular skater or whose favorites were beaten by another skater will often cry “overscored” and “held up!” But it’s the judges’ opinion that counts.
@Autumn Leaves, re your post #33, Konstantinova did not win gold at Russian Nats. She placed fourth.
That shows that Konstantinova's main issue is the SP. If she skates it like at RN she can score well overall.Different panel, you can't put scores from one competition to the other, maybe you're right, maybe you're not, but if you recap their season so far you have
Konstantinova
GP Finland: SP (3F fall/downgrade), FS (clean)
GP France: SP (1ltz, 3lo-2t messy), FS (clean)
Russian Nationals: SP (clean), FS (clean-ish)
Medvedeva
GP Canada: SP (no combo); FS (clean-ish)
GP France: SP (3f-2t); FS (mistakes and fall on 2a and 3F-3T, no second 3-3)
Russian Nationals: SP (3f-1t, 2a fall); FS (fall in the 2a-3t)
Konstantinova showed some inconsistency, but she proved she can always come back with a strong free skate.
Medvedeva at her best beats Konstantinova, you're right her scores are bigger, but we have never seen her best this season, and it has been a while since we saw her skating a clean program.
Personally i would trust Samodurova more than both of them, but Konstantinova looked more reliable than Medvedeva so far, then i'd decide the third spot at Worlds depending on results at Europeans:
- if Samodurova beats Konstantinova, Sofia gets the third spot
- if Konstantinova beats Samodurova, Stasya gets the third spot
- if neither of them medal at Europeans, Zhenya gets the spot for Worlds.
Personally i would trust Samodurova more than both of them, but Konstantinova looked more reliable than Medvedeva so far, then i'd decide the third spot at Worlds depending on results at Europeans:
- if Samodurova beats Konstantinova, Sofia gets the third spot
- if Konstantinova beats Samodurova, Stasya gets the third spot
- if neither of them medal at Europeans, Zhenya gets the spot for Worlds.
Different panel, you can't put scores from one competition to the other, maybe you're right, maybe you're not, but if you recap their season so far you have
Konstantinova
GP Finland: SP (3F fall/downgrade), FS (clean)
GP France: SP (1ltz, 3lo-2t messy), FS (clean)
Russian Nationals: SP (clean), FS (clean-ish)
Medvedeva
GP Canada: SP (no combo); FS (clean-ish)
GP France: SP (3f-2t); FS (mistakes and fall on 2a and 3F-3T, no second 3-3)
Russian Nationals: SP (3f-1t, 2a fall); FS (fall in the 2a-3t)
Konstantinova showed some inconsistency, but she proved she can always come back with a strong free skate.
Medvedeva at her best beats Konstantinova, you're right her scores are bigger, but we have never seen her best this season, and it has been a while since we saw her skating a clean program.
Personally i would trust Samodurova more than both of them, but Konstantinova looked more reliable than Medvedeva so far, then i'd decide the third spot at Worlds depending on results at Europeans:
- if Samodurova beats Konstantinova, Sofia gets the third spot
- if Konstantinova beats Samodurova, Stasya gets the third spot
- if neither of them medal at Europeans, Zhenya gets the spot for Worlds.
Just to be clear, I don’t think Zhenya should have been handed a Euros or Worlds spot on the basis of her FS at Russian Nats. But I would have liked to see her get some kind of an assignment, or at least been given the opportunity to compete for one. And maybe she will, who knows. In any case - and this is not directed at you personally - I’m just really surprised that some people seem so ready to write her off after six months with a new coach. Big changes take time. I think she’s got a lot more to give, and I look forward to seeing it.
If the underlying problem isn't that she lacks enough competitions, I don't see how continuing to skate in events would help when she isn't fully confident in her jumps. In fact, more disappointing results could further erode her confidence. It's really hard to balance competitions, shows, travel, and training to make drastic changes to jump technique. If she's not having to maintain her programs, that gives her more time to focus on areas she needs to address.