Any updates about Tutberidze's visit to Boston Skating Club? Is she really not allowed to get close to the ice? (sounds funny too) Is Shpilband coming with them or not?This is just funny
Diana&Gleb's new program wil be choreographed by Benoit Richaud who will come to Boston Skating Club (don't know why there and not to Shpilband's club in Novi). Local coach Becky Stump has a nightmare of it so she sent this e-mail to her colleagues in the club
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No idea. If that Becky's "nice" e-mail haven't appeared I wouldn't even know that Diana&Gleb are about to meet Benoit in Norwood instead of Novi.
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Rolling out of the season on vacation
Our #teamtutberidze "Champions on Ice" tour ended❤Each city had its own incredible atmosphere and support from the stands, thank you so much for this ❤ ️ We also managed to hold a master class in Khabarovsk and share our experience and knowledge with young skaters and their coaches! Now it's time to relax and gain strength for the new season
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A long interview with Alexei Zheleznikov, choreographer of the Tutberidze team. Warning - not everyone will like the content! And I ask everyone to refrain from being rude as much as possible.
matchtv.ru
-Tell me, how did you get into the circus on ice?
- The story turned out like this: I have a very good friend - Natalya Chistova, a professional and extraordinary costume designer, she collaborates with ice shows, the circus on Tsvetnoy Boulevard. And she was friends with the head of the show on ice, where I was eventually invited. At that time, they needed new productions, a fresh look.
And once we were sitting in a cafe with my friend, with whom we worked together, we talked. There was also the head of this show.And we started talking about productions, about creativity - they say, the world of the show has gone forward, and we have been left somewhere behind. And then Natalya just said: “So here are the directors. Take it and do it!
We agreed that we will make one number. If everything works out - naturally, taking into account the specifics of figure skating, which we were not familiar at that time - then we will work further. We tried, we delivered. At first it was hard, of course, because after all it is ice. Everything is completely different here, a different vocabulary of movements. You can’t do such supports as on the floor - you can cut yourself with skates.
Based on this, I had to urgently looking for some tricks. But then we got involved, it turned out to be a very creative number, everyone was impressed. Well, the director of this performance suggested that we make a complete show - not a hodgepodge of numbers, but something like a theatrical production, with history, dramaturgy. Naturally, I agreed.
We went abroad for half a year, I lived in Hungary and put on a show. All these six months we were engaged in staging - in the evening the artists performed, and in the afternoon we staged. That's how I got on the ice.
- Was it difficult to change from parquet choreography to ice?
- Well, at the amateur level, we all probably skated at least a little. But, of course, when you move into another area, you begin to truly understand the specifics. On the ice, the body works differently, the coordination is slightly different.
- Probably, even other muscles are involved?
- Not even muscles. The fact is that if you are a dancer, you have developed all muscle groups. This is the beauty of dance - you physically develop very harmoniously. It’s not like you raised the barbell and lowered it, and that’s all at once. Of course, it’s not for the explosive power of the exercise, like in weightlifters, but still.
Therefore, it is much easier for a dancer to change coordination. In principle, this happens almost instantly - you just need to understand the specifics of the skate. The dancers are very well coordinated. Skaters are still coordinated differently - rotations, spins, the skate itself. But this also gives them certain limitations - therefore it is difficult to work with them on the floor, to teach them to dance. They have a block in the brain. They are used to how they move on the ice, but on the floor it's completely different. Other movements are more varied. Skaters, on the other hand, are mostly one-sided - they skate to the left, rotate to the left. Therefore, for them, dancing is difficult.
And I, in general, rebuilt quite quickly. I studied the specifics, vocabulary, the name of the steps - all these twizzles, jacksons. Learned spins. It took about six months for a complete rebuild.
- Probably, it was also easier to rebuild through the show - there are no competitive restrictions in terms of rules.
- Oh sure. In competitive figure skating, you are constrained - you went there, made a jump, then a spin. There is a technical limitation. And in the show you do whatever you want. You focus on what is beautiful, what is spectacular. Even at gala performances, you can be as creative as you like, which is why they don’t look like competitive programs. Because this is the limitation that does not give free rein to creativity.
…
- If you compare the world of show business and the world of sports - which one is worse?
- Well, show business is intrigue. Such a swamp ... In sports, everything is more rigid, but at the same time concrete. You know, as they say - at the royal court they weave intrigues, and in the army they beat you in the face. We can say that sport is like in the army, and royal intrigues are show business.
- It turns out that sport is more honest?
— Yes, definitely.
— Even figure skating? They say that the world of figure skating is a natural serpentarium with a lot of intrigue and undercover fuss.
- It seems to me that all these vices are mostly in the minds of the fans. It doesn't even "seem" - I'm sure of it. They start such wars! For example, fans say about some coaches that they scold each other terribly, but in fact they communicate with each other, smile, everything is respectful with them. And what's going on in the world of fans... It's trash. Football fans on the side smoking.
- Regarding the world of dances - I recently talked with Ramil Mehdiyev, and he said that this is "an army where they walk not from the left, but from the right foot."
-That’s right—it’s the army. Even, probably, I will say a funny word - this is a drill. I was in army, so I can compare. And when you are on the parade ground, as they say, both in the tail and in the mane, and a step to the left, a step to the right - execution ... Well, everything is about the same in dancing. Only in the army everything is much simpler in terms of coordination. It is generally easy for a dancer in the army - you quickly grasp everything (laughs).
But in terms of workload and attitude - everything is like in the army, yes. You work, you work out, your legs are bleeding ... Everything is done in order to bring it to an ideal state, otherwise there will be no result. Why do skaters dislike classical dance? In modern jazz, you can deviate from some canons, do something of your own, improvise, and in the classics, it’s just an army school. And if the teacher is not strict, if he does not demand, like a sergeant in the army, nothing will come of it. For this routine, skaters do not like the classics.
- Are we coming to the conclusion that in art and in sports, modern trends in terms of an individual approach and a softer attitude towards the artist / athlete are not feasible?
- As for the individual approach, I do not agree - it is necessary. And in terms of softness, I can say this: in dancing, in figure skating, if you want to achieve the highest professionalism, licking an athlete or dancer will not lead to anything. Human is basically lazy.
This is pure psychology. Imagine, for example. Here you are raising a son and constantly lisping with him - and what will become of him? A pie will grow like a greenhouse tomato, which almost immediately burst into tears and ran to his mother to complain. There will be no character, no core. And how can a cool athlete or a cool dancer grow out of this?
Strictness is not cruelty, in my opinion, namely, strictness is an integral part of great sport and great ballet. Without this, there is nowhere to go. Of course, going too far, insulting, beating children is stupidity. But there are other educational approaches as well. There are strict teachers whom children adore and respect. Without respect, all work is wasted. This is so, fuss and shooting past the target.
«Если бы Этери сюсюкалась со спортсменами, они были бы бесхребетными червячками». Интервью с хореографом группы Тутберидзе
Алексей Железняков — о грани между строгостью и жестокостью, критике в свой адрес и поездке на Донбасс.
matchtv.ru
-Tell me, how did you get into the circus on ice?
- The story turned out like this: I have a very good friend - Natalya Chistova, a professional and extraordinary costume designer, she collaborates with ice shows, the circus on Tsvetnoy Boulevard. And she was friends with the head of the show on ice, where I was eventually invited. At that time, they needed new productions, a fresh look.
And once we were sitting in a cafe with my friend, with whom we worked together, we talked. There was also the head of this show.And we started talking about productions, about creativity - they say, the world of the show has gone forward, and we have been left somewhere behind. And then Natalya just said: “So here are the directors. Take it and do it!
We agreed that we will make one number. If everything works out - naturally, taking into account the specifics of figure skating, which we were not familiar at that time - then we will work further. We tried, we delivered. At first it was hard, of course, because after all it is ice. Everything is completely different here, a different vocabulary of movements. You can’t do such supports as on the floor - you can cut yourself with skates.
Based on this, I had to urgently looking for some tricks. But then we got involved, it turned out to be a very creative number, everyone was impressed. Well, the director of this performance suggested that we make a complete show - not a hodgepodge of numbers, but something like a theatrical production, with history, dramaturgy. Naturally, I agreed.
We went abroad for half a year, I lived in Hungary and put on a show. All these six months we were engaged in staging - in the evening the artists performed, and in the afternoon we staged. That's how I got on the ice.
- Was it difficult to change from parquet choreography to ice?
- Well, at the amateur level, we all probably skated at least a little. But, of course, when you move into another area, you begin to truly understand the specifics. On the ice, the body works differently, the coordination is slightly different.
- Probably, even other muscles are involved?
- Not even muscles. The fact is that if you are a dancer, you have developed all muscle groups. This is the beauty of dance - you physically develop very harmoniously. It’s not like you raised the barbell and lowered it, and that’s all at once. Of course, it’s not for the explosive power of the exercise, like in weightlifters, but still.
Therefore, it is much easier for a dancer to change coordination. In principle, this happens almost instantly - you just need to understand the specifics of the skate. The dancers are very well coordinated. Skaters are still coordinated differently - rotations, spins, the skate itself. But this also gives them certain limitations - therefore it is difficult to work with them on the floor, to teach them to dance. They have a block in the brain. They are used to how they move on the ice, but on the floor it's completely different. Other movements are more varied. Skaters, on the other hand, are mostly one-sided - they skate to the left, rotate to the left. Therefore, for them, dancing is difficult.
And I, in general, rebuilt quite quickly. I studied the specifics, vocabulary, the name of the steps - all these twizzles, jacksons. Learned spins. It took about six months for a complete rebuild.
- Probably, it was also easier to rebuild through the show - there are no competitive restrictions in terms of rules.
- Oh sure. In competitive figure skating, you are constrained - you went there, made a jump, then a spin. There is a technical limitation. And in the show you do whatever you want. You focus on what is beautiful, what is spectacular. Even at gala performances, you can be as creative as you like, which is why they don’t look like competitive programs. Because this is the limitation that does not give free rein to creativity.
…
- If you compare the world of show business and the world of sports - which one is worse?
- Well, show business is intrigue. Such a swamp ... In sports, everything is more rigid, but at the same time concrete. You know, as they say - at the royal court they weave intrigues, and in the army they beat you in the face. We can say that sport is like in the army, and royal intrigues are show business.
- It turns out that sport is more honest?
— Yes, definitely.
— Even figure skating? They say that the world of figure skating is a natural serpentarium with a lot of intrigue and undercover fuss.
- It seems to me that all these vices are mostly in the minds of the fans. It doesn't even "seem" - I'm sure of it. They start such wars! For example, fans say about some coaches that they scold each other terribly, but in fact they communicate with each other, smile, everything is respectful with them. And what's going on in the world of fans... It's trash. Football fans on the side smoking.
- Regarding the world of dances - I recently talked with Ramil Mehdiyev, and he said that this is "an army where they walk not from the left, but from the right foot."
-That’s right—it’s the army. Even, probably, I will say a funny word - this is a drill. I was in army, so I can compare. And when you are on the parade ground, as they say, both in the tail and in the mane, and a step to the left, a step to the right - execution ... Well, everything is about the same in dancing. Only in the army everything is much simpler in terms of coordination. It is generally easy for a dancer in the army - you quickly grasp everything (laughs).
But in terms of workload and attitude - everything is like in the army, yes. You work, you work out, your legs are bleeding ... Everything is done in order to bring it to an ideal state, otherwise there will be no result. Why do skaters dislike classical dance? In modern jazz, you can deviate from some canons, do something of your own, improvise, and in the classics, it’s just an army school. And if the teacher is not strict, if he does not demand, like a sergeant in the army, nothing will come of it. For this routine, skaters do not like the classics.
- Are we coming to the conclusion that in art and in sports, modern trends in terms of an individual approach and a softer attitude towards the artist / athlete are not feasible?
- As for the individual approach, I do not agree - it is necessary. And in terms of softness, I can say this: in dancing, in figure skating, if you want to achieve the highest professionalism, licking an athlete or dancer will not lead to anything. Human is basically lazy.
This is pure psychology. Imagine, for example. Here you are raising a son and constantly lisping with him - and what will become of him? A pie will grow like a greenhouse tomato, which almost immediately burst into tears and ran to his mother to complain. There will be no character, no core. And how can a cool athlete or a cool dancer grow out of this?
Strictness is not cruelty, in my opinion, namely, strictness is an integral part of great sport and great ballet. Without this, there is nowhere to go. Of course, going too far, insulting, beating children is stupidity. But there are other educational approaches as well. There are strict teachers whom children adore and respect. Without respect, all work is wasted. This is so, fuss and shooting past the target.
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part 2:
- Where is the line between severity and cruelty in this case?
- In my understanding - when children are beaten. This is already cruelty, so you can pass the child. I saw such psychologically downtrodden children - they had a coach, just a despot. And this despotism of the child mentally smears, he closes. These are already problems at the level of psychological trauma.
The child becomes a downtrodden mouse. You are trying to liberate him in the hall, look for approaches, you no longer work as a teacher, but as a psychologist. For 15 years in figure skating I have seen many such children. So the limits of cruelty still exist, in my opinion. You can spank the child lightly, or you can slap the child with such insults and humiliations that he will withdraw into himself and will not return soon.
I saw such cruel people - both in sports and in choreography. The situation in this regard began to change only when they began to punish very seriously for this. Attention was drawn to this, criminal articles appeared. Here, too, of course, you must not go too far, but still. Crazy and cruel coaches should be suspended and punished.
- It turns out that Eteri Georgievna is not a cruel coach?
No, I wouldn't exactly call her that. Do you remember the story "Zhenya in batter" when Eteri rolled Zhenya Medvedev on the ice? It was funny, not humiliating! Say, you want to lie down? Well, let me roll you, I'll take you. This is a normal pedagogical move, so that the child gets angry, gets up and goes to do it. And if she rolled her on the ice and at the same time humiliated her, burned her - then yes, it would already be a psychological trauma.
In general, I can say that there are a lot of “well-wishers” in the world. It's understandable why - the more popular a person is, the more of them appear. Especially now, in the Internet age. If earlier you insulted a person - that's it, immediately go to a duel and shoot at each other. Well, or we beat each other in the face. Now they write nasty things, say what they want - and all with impunity. In my opinion, it is long necessary to introduce punishment, articles for this dirt on the Internet. After all, some write that Tutberidze is cruel, even without ever seeing her training sessions! Did you come up with a story for yourself and inflated it to some extent?
That Eteri is strict - yes, no one argues with that. She is a strict, demanding coach. Well, the results would never have been the same if she, as we used to say, lisped with the athletes. They would be spineless worms that barely know how to skate. And no one would know who Tutberidze was, or what kind of girls she had. And now they are known all over the world.
Without rigor, you will never achieve such results in your life either in sports or in dance.
- With severity and, probably, even with cruelty - I agree. On the other hand, about obscene language. As far as I know, Eteri Georgievna can use it.
- I haven’t been on the ice for a long time and I haven’t heard any such things from Eteri. And when she comes to my dance hall to look at the girls, there is nothing like that from her.
- Aren't injuries a sign of a tough approach?
- Listen, how can you work with ultra-c elements without injury? Take whoever you want - the Japanese, the Americans, everyone will be injured, and with serious ones. The same Yuzuru Hanyu hurt himself so much when performing his quads!
Why all the time attention is on Tutberidze - simply because she is the flagship, the leader. Everyone sees only Tutberidze. Therefore, as soon as one of the girls has an injury, all at once: “Oh my God, she broke someone again!” Well, this is nonsense. Go to any strong figure skating school and count the number of injured.
-Well, in fairness there will be a lot of them.
- Certainly! Your eyes will widen in surprise. Everywhere so, not only in a figure even. You can look at rhythmic gymnastics, athletics. Athletes in general are all broken, with injuries. And the Eteri girls are in full view, which is why they are constantly discussed.
- Judging by what you said earlier, your cooperation with Eteri Georgievna was not easy at first.
- Well, when there is a team and each of its members has their own opinion, it can be difficult. Let's say the choreographer sees one thing, and the coach sees another, and everyone wants to prove that his point of view is correct. This is a search that can sometimes reach a scandal. And on this basis, Eteri and I at first could quarrel. These are not direct scandals, of course, or something like family squabbles - no, purely working disputes, whose idea is cooler. I am 100% sure that something similar is happening now with Daniil (Gleichengauz) and Seryoga (Dudakov) when they are looking for some kind of approach. If you agree with everything, you will never find a better one.
- How difficult is it to find a common language with Eteri Georgievna? And what kind of person is she in general at work - authoritarian or prone to dialogue in a team?
She listens to the team members, of course. But first she needs to understand the person. She never lets anyone close to her. At first, he looks closely, studies what he is like. Whether a person is professional or not. Therefore, I think she has a lot of specialists and changed until she found the backbone of her team. She is very sensitive to people and begins to listen only when she begins to trust a person.
Until then, keep quiet and work, prove your professionalism. This is her position, and I believe that it is correct. A person just came and he should be trusted right away? This makes no sense, of course. It is during this period that mutual understanding occurs, when it is necessary to find a common language with Eteri. If you find it, it will be very easy to work with her. And if not, the person will not take root and will not be able to work in this team, because Eteri will not trust him. And a person with ambitions will not stand it purely psychologically.
- "Coach with ambition", "Won't be able to work without trust." Direct case of Sergei Rozanov in the "Crystal", is not it?
— Yes, I agree. My opinion is that Serega tried to become a star too early. He's a really talented person, but he shouldn't have pulled the blanket over himself. It was necessary to work, achieve status, get used to the team. You know, the first step to failure is when you start to think that you are cooler than the stars and have already achieved everything.
- Did Rozanov begin to think like that while working with Eteri Georgievna?
- Yes. I think the thought arose in his mind - "I have learned everything, I can do everything and I can already work 100% as an independent unit." That was a mistake, in my opinion. Maybe he doesn’t think so, and the current situation suits him. But I believe that in the team of Tutberidze Serezha could achieve much greater heights. And now the whole world would say what a great specialist Rozanov is and how he brings all the little athletes to the top level.
He had to be patient, crush his pride. Turn on the cold mind. Again, I repeat, he is a good guy. But coaches have been gaining authority for decades - the same Eteri has come a long way! And he had all the cards in his hand, but it turned out how it happened. Sometimes our ambitions get in the way.
- Where is the line between severity and cruelty in this case?
- In my understanding - when children are beaten. This is already cruelty, so you can pass the child. I saw such psychologically downtrodden children - they had a coach, just a despot. And this despotism of the child mentally smears, he closes. These are already problems at the level of psychological trauma.
The child becomes a downtrodden mouse. You are trying to liberate him in the hall, look for approaches, you no longer work as a teacher, but as a psychologist. For 15 years in figure skating I have seen many such children. So the limits of cruelty still exist, in my opinion. You can spank the child lightly, or you can slap the child with such insults and humiliations that he will withdraw into himself and will not return soon.
I saw such cruel people - both in sports and in choreography. The situation in this regard began to change only when they began to punish very seriously for this. Attention was drawn to this, criminal articles appeared. Here, too, of course, you must not go too far, but still. Crazy and cruel coaches should be suspended and punished.
- It turns out that Eteri Georgievna is not a cruel coach?
No, I wouldn't exactly call her that. Do you remember the story "Zhenya in batter" when Eteri rolled Zhenya Medvedev on the ice? It was funny, not humiliating! Say, you want to lie down? Well, let me roll you, I'll take you. This is a normal pedagogical move, so that the child gets angry, gets up and goes to do it. And if she rolled her on the ice and at the same time humiliated her, burned her - then yes, it would already be a psychological trauma.
In general, I can say that there are a lot of “well-wishers” in the world. It's understandable why - the more popular a person is, the more of them appear. Especially now, in the Internet age. If earlier you insulted a person - that's it, immediately go to a duel and shoot at each other. Well, or we beat each other in the face. Now they write nasty things, say what they want - and all with impunity. In my opinion, it is long necessary to introduce punishment, articles for this dirt on the Internet. After all, some write that Tutberidze is cruel, even without ever seeing her training sessions! Did you come up with a story for yourself and inflated it to some extent?
That Eteri is strict - yes, no one argues with that. She is a strict, demanding coach. Well, the results would never have been the same if she, as we used to say, lisped with the athletes. They would be spineless worms that barely know how to skate. And no one would know who Tutberidze was, or what kind of girls she had. And now they are known all over the world.
Without rigor, you will never achieve such results in your life either in sports or in dance.
- With severity and, probably, even with cruelty - I agree. On the other hand, about obscene language. As far as I know, Eteri Georgievna can use it.
- I haven’t been on the ice for a long time and I haven’t heard any such things from Eteri. And when she comes to my dance hall to look at the girls, there is nothing like that from her.
- Aren't injuries a sign of a tough approach?
- Listen, how can you work with ultra-c elements without injury? Take whoever you want - the Japanese, the Americans, everyone will be injured, and with serious ones. The same Yuzuru Hanyu hurt himself so much when performing his quads!
Why all the time attention is on Tutberidze - simply because she is the flagship, the leader. Everyone sees only Tutberidze. Therefore, as soon as one of the girls has an injury, all at once: “Oh my God, she broke someone again!” Well, this is nonsense. Go to any strong figure skating school and count the number of injured.
-Well, in fairness there will be a lot of them.
- Certainly! Your eyes will widen in surprise. Everywhere so, not only in a figure even. You can look at rhythmic gymnastics, athletics. Athletes in general are all broken, with injuries. And the Eteri girls are in full view, which is why they are constantly discussed.
- Judging by what you said earlier, your cooperation with Eteri Georgievna was not easy at first.
- Well, when there is a team and each of its members has their own opinion, it can be difficult. Let's say the choreographer sees one thing, and the coach sees another, and everyone wants to prove that his point of view is correct. This is a search that can sometimes reach a scandal. And on this basis, Eteri and I at first could quarrel. These are not direct scandals, of course, or something like family squabbles - no, purely working disputes, whose idea is cooler. I am 100% sure that something similar is happening now with Daniil (Gleichengauz) and Seryoga (Dudakov) when they are looking for some kind of approach. If you agree with everything, you will never find a better one.
- How difficult is it to find a common language with Eteri Georgievna? And what kind of person is she in general at work - authoritarian or prone to dialogue in a team?
She listens to the team members, of course. But first she needs to understand the person. She never lets anyone close to her. At first, he looks closely, studies what he is like. Whether a person is professional or not. Therefore, I think she has a lot of specialists and changed until she found the backbone of her team. She is very sensitive to people and begins to listen only when she begins to trust a person.
Until then, keep quiet and work, prove your professionalism. This is her position, and I believe that it is correct. A person just came and he should be trusted right away? This makes no sense, of course. It is during this period that mutual understanding occurs, when it is necessary to find a common language with Eteri. If you find it, it will be very easy to work with her. And if not, the person will not take root and will not be able to work in this team, because Eteri will not trust him. And a person with ambitions will not stand it purely psychologically.
- "Coach with ambition", "Won't be able to work without trust." Direct case of Sergei Rozanov in the "Crystal", is not it?
— Yes, I agree. My opinion is that Serega tried to become a star too early. He's a really talented person, but he shouldn't have pulled the blanket over himself. It was necessary to work, achieve status, get used to the team. You know, the first step to failure is when you start to think that you are cooler than the stars and have already achieved everything.
- Did Rozanov begin to think like that while working with Eteri Georgievna?
- Yes. I think the thought arose in his mind - "I have learned everything, I can do everything and I can already work 100% as an independent unit." That was a mistake, in my opinion. Maybe he doesn’t think so, and the current situation suits him. But I believe that in the team of Tutberidze Serezha could achieve much greater heights. And now the whole world would say what a great specialist Rozanov is and how he brings all the little athletes to the top level.
He had to be patient, crush his pride. Turn on the cold mind. Again, I repeat, he is a good guy. But coaches have been gaining authority for decades - the same Eteri has come a long way! And he had all the cards in his hand, but it turned out how it happened. Sometimes our ambitions get in the way.
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part 3:
- Returning to the topic of fans - a lot of people criticize your choreography. Do you have anything to say to these people?
-Well, it’s actually good to be criticized. It's bad when they don't talk about you at all (laughs). If they criticize, it means that something hurts ... But there is normal criticism, and there is something else.
Even if you read criticism from the rival headquarters. They do this not even for criticism, but simply to pour slops on us. There are sometimes fans who criticize us correctly, and by the way, I always listen to those. Over time, I began to separate malevolent criticism from normal.
— To separate criticism from hatred?
-Yes. This is always felt in the tone of the written. There are sincere, real fans, and there are those who live in hatred. Their goal is to humiliate and trample on the headquarters of Tutberidze, choreographer Tutberidze, about Daniil Gleikhengauz to write something nasty about his programs, about my dances. Thousands, tens of thousands of people like everything, but still there are those who throw brown substance.
- Have you already understood why this happens in figure skating?
— Honestly, I haven’t fully understood yet, although there are some guesses. Probably because figure skating borders on art. And what art lovers like is a little bordering on insanity. Well, there are people who are mentally a little unbalanced.
In football, everything is simple, but here are young girls whose going crazy and they start writing nasty things. Yes, and not young girls ... Or some maniac men who look at these girls. It seems to me that everything comes from the fact that figure skating is like a ballet and a sport. And that's why such people are drawn into it, they seem to love sports, and hit art. And in fact, neither one nor the other.
Here you can draw a parallel with show business. There are also crazy fans of the stars who are waiting for them at the entrances and all that. Something similar is now beginning to appear in figure skating. It probably existed before - there was simply no such informational background. And there was no internet. Some crazy person just sat in front of the TV and cursed everyone, and today he was given the opportunity to throw it all out into the public space.
-Did he get a playground?
- Yes. For example, Sports.ru.
-What is your conflict with them?
I just can't stand this site! When they take some articles, they take the words out of context and write how they feel comfortable in order to ignite the conflict. A cut is taken from the whole material and everything is served in such a way as to excite as many fans as possible. They live by it.
I understand that they make ratings for themselves, but you need to know some boundaries. There must be decency. You can distort any meaning, and black will turn out to be white. And thousands of people are reading it! By the way, many of those mentally unbalanced people who go crazy are sitting on Sports.ru. I began to go there very rarely, because when I read these comments, there is a feeling that you have fallen into the sewer slurry. I want to get up and take a shower.
There are a lot of great people working on this site, but some of them are doing this kind of nonsense. This is no longer journalism, in my opinion. This is incomprehensible.
-But they don't distort quotes. They set as is.
-You can rearrange the quotes. Or pull out one thing and discard the rest - the meaning will be different. Plus, I think every self-respecting sports community should get rid of these crazy people who write such false, nasty things. Moderators should ban such people, it's not normal! And they, on the contrary, attract this muck to themselves, like a magnet.
Just imagine - then the child comes to this site and reads all these comments. It also shakes his psyche. There must be censorship. Not tough, as in the USSR, but still. Otherwise, we will slide into such disgusting ... How much dirt was poured on Tutberidze - and nothing. In fact, these are all criminal articles. If this happened in the States, millions of dollars would be sued for it. But, I think, and we will soon take up this.
- But this also adds to the popularity of figure skating, doesn't it? All these scandals and more.
- Adds, of course, but there should be a golden mean. Well, then let's go completely into the garbage pit! It's like in show business - you can go on stage and give such vocals that everyone will goosebumps. And you can dance a striptease, yell two notes at random and also get popular. What's better?
- Hard question.
- Well, I agree. But the example speaks, it seems to me.
- Regarding scandals - and if we take last season? Agree, it was beautiful - such a straight derby Tutberidze vs Plushenko.
- Well, what was the derby from Eteri's side? So, she gave a couple of comments, no more. Derby, rather, it was on the other side (laughs).
And Eteri is generally not a fan of skirmishes, giving interviews. She will say one or two sentences - and that's it, she can be silent for years. Well, only if they really hurt ... And then they really hurt from the other side. The fight was really serious when the girls moved on. And custom articles were in all sorts of media.
And when I saw all this, I just could not remain silent. And then I thought - that's it, stop butting with these windmills and stepped aside. I also said to myself: “Eteri, well done! You are wise to remain silent. Let them bark there." Although sometimes itching, you know, to write some kind of answer. But that's exactly what they need, they feed on it. But we don’t like it, we’d better give our light to children and our work.
Getting into these squabbles is actually very hard. When I participated in them, I directly felt the energy coming out of me. It destroys, burns from the inside and tightens like a swamp. And I decided it was time to end this.
- But first you challenged Plushenko to duel.
-Yes, because at some point this situation affected me personally and my family, and it hurt me very much.
-Were you really ready to fight?
-Yes, I was ready. I sincerely say this.
-Well, that would be super hype.
- On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, you might think how it all could end for both sides. And besides, getting hype is not the goal that I pursued. I was furious when I wrote this post. And then my wife reasoned, we talked with her, and I realized that it was all so insignificant. Way to nowhere, not worth it.
-But it was still interesting to watch this confrontation.
- Well, yes. This is an action, a drive for the fans. And the people who are doing all this inside, it destroys.
- Wasn't the Tutberidze team interested in competing?
- No, trust me. It's annoying, not interesting. Fans, people from the outside - yes, they like it. “Oh, look, what a fight there, fire!” It's cool for them, and you're right, it raises popularity, but we still wouldn't want it. It interferes with work.
- In the context of that season, I have to ask about your tough reaction to the transfers from the team of Eteri Georgievna. Why did you react like that?
-It’s all about how some of the transitions happened. You have to leave beautifully - that's all. Of course, we are not slaves, and if for some reason you stopped finding a common language with the coach, you have to leave. The only question is how do you do it.
When it comes to difficult times, a pandemic, everything is so bad. So many things have been invested in you, programs have been put on, costumes have been sewn, and you turn around and silently do all this - yes, I consider this a betrayal. I take these things very seriously.
But in general, to transitions - no, absolutely normal. Suppose, when Yegor Rukhin left, I did not say a word. He did everything beautifully - he came in advance, he informed. He didn’t wag his tail, but talked, presented these notorious flowers. And no one said anything to him.
And if you let the team down before the start of the season, then, of course, it's an insult. Isn't this a betrayal? In my opinion, it definitely is.
- Well, to the same Alena Kostornaya you were quite harsh even after her last transition.
- I just tried to convey to her with my language that she needed to work.
-So she still didn't work?
- Not the way it should be. Eteri will not just say goodbye, agree. She gave me a second chance, but the result was the same. This team will not tolerate this.
Yes, and what I said is not rude. If a person understands everything correctly, then everything will be fine. And about the fact that you stepped off the pedestal and now you are nobody, - Eteri says this to her girls all the time, because it's true. This is exactly what I tried to convey to Alena - that you need not to turn your tail, but to work. And do not look around in search of the guilty, but delve into yourself. Then she'll be fine.
It seems to me that Alena has just youthful maximalism. She wants to try everything - and sing, and ride horses. And this is fine, you need to look for yourself while there are opportunities. But you are still a public person, a whole army of fans expects results from you. And when he is gone, they begin to look for the guilty - Eteri, her team, everyone else. Where is the work? Alena needs to understand herself - that's all.
- Returning to the topic of fans - a lot of people criticize your choreography. Do you have anything to say to these people?
-Well, it’s actually good to be criticized. It's bad when they don't talk about you at all (laughs). If they criticize, it means that something hurts ... But there is normal criticism, and there is something else.
Even if you read criticism from the rival headquarters. They do this not even for criticism, but simply to pour slops on us. There are sometimes fans who criticize us correctly, and by the way, I always listen to those. Over time, I began to separate malevolent criticism from normal.
— To separate criticism from hatred?
-Yes. This is always felt in the tone of the written. There are sincere, real fans, and there are those who live in hatred. Their goal is to humiliate and trample on the headquarters of Tutberidze, choreographer Tutberidze, about Daniil Gleikhengauz to write something nasty about his programs, about my dances. Thousands, tens of thousands of people like everything, but still there are those who throw brown substance.
- Have you already understood why this happens in figure skating?
— Honestly, I haven’t fully understood yet, although there are some guesses. Probably because figure skating borders on art. And what art lovers like is a little bordering on insanity. Well, there are people who are mentally a little unbalanced.
In football, everything is simple, but here are young girls whose going crazy and they start writing nasty things. Yes, and not young girls ... Or some maniac men who look at these girls. It seems to me that everything comes from the fact that figure skating is like a ballet and a sport. And that's why such people are drawn into it, they seem to love sports, and hit art. And in fact, neither one nor the other.
Here you can draw a parallel with show business. There are also crazy fans of the stars who are waiting for them at the entrances and all that. Something similar is now beginning to appear in figure skating. It probably existed before - there was simply no such informational background. And there was no internet. Some crazy person just sat in front of the TV and cursed everyone, and today he was given the opportunity to throw it all out into the public space.
-Did he get a playground?
- Yes. For example, Sports.ru.
-What is your conflict with them?
I just can't stand this site! When they take some articles, they take the words out of context and write how they feel comfortable in order to ignite the conflict. A cut is taken from the whole material and everything is served in such a way as to excite as many fans as possible. They live by it.
I understand that they make ratings for themselves, but you need to know some boundaries. There must be decency. You can distort any meaning, and black will turn out to be white. And thousands of people are reading it! By the way, many of those mentally unbalanced people who go crazy are sitting on Sports.ru. I began to go there very rarely, because when I read these comments, there is a feeling that you have fallen into the sewer slurry. I want to get up and take a shower.
There are a lot of great people working on this site, but some of them are doing this kind of nonsense. This is no longer journalism, in my opinion. This is incomprehensible.
-But they don't distort quotes. They set as is.
-You can rearrange the quotes. Or pull out one thing and discard the rest - the meaning will be different. Plus, I think every self-respecting sports community should get rid of these crazy people who write such false, nasty things. Moderators should ban such people, it's not normal! And they, on the contrary, attract this muck to themselves, like a magnet.
Just imagine - then the child comes to this site and reads all these comments. It also shakes his psyche. There must be censorship. Not tough, as in the USSR, but still. Otherwise, we will slide into such disgusting ... How much dirt was poured on Tutberidze - and nothing. In fact, these are all criminal articles. If this happened in the States, millions of dollars would be sued for it. But, I think, and we will soon take up this.
- But this also adds to the popularity of figure skating, doesn't it? All these scandals and more.
- Adds, of course, but there should be a golden mean. Well, then let's go completely into the garbage pit! It's like in show business - you can go on stage and give such vocals that everyone will goosebumps. And you can dance a striptease, yell two notes at random and also get popular. What's better?
- Hard question.
- Well, I agree. But the example speaks, it seems to me.
- Regarding scandals - and if we take last season? Agree, it was beautiful - such a straight derby Tutberidze vs Plushenko.
- Well, what was the derby from Eteri's side? So, she gave a couple of comments, no more. Derby, rather, it was on the other side (laughs).
And Eteri is generally not a fan of skirmishes, giving interviews. She will say one or two sentences - and that's it, she can be silent for years. Well, only if they really hurt ... And then they really hurt from the other side. The fight was really serious when the girls moved on. And custom articles were in all sorts of media.
And when I saw all this, I just could not remain silent. And then I thought - that's it, stop butting with these windmills and stepped aside. I also said to myself: “Eteri, well done! You are wise to remain silent. Let them bark there." Although sometimes itching, you know, to write some kind of answer. But that's exactly what they need, they feed on it. But we don’t like it, we’d better give our light to children and our work.
Getting into these squabbles is actually very hard. When I participated in them, I directly felt the energy coming out of me. It destroys, burns from the inside and tightens like a swamp. And I decided it was time to end this.
- But first you challenged Plushenko to duel.
-Yes, because at some point this situation affected me personally and my family, and it hurt me very much.
-Were you really ready to fight?
-Yes, I was ready. I sincerely say this.
-Well, that would be super hype.
- On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, you might think how it all could end for both sides. And besides, getting hype is not the goal that I pursued. I was furious when I wrote this post. And then my wife reasoned, we talked with her, and I realized that it was all so insignificant. Way to nowhere, not worth it.
-But it was still interesting to watch this confrontation.
- Well, yes. This is an action, a drive for the fans. And the people who are doing all this inside, it destroys.
- Wasn't the Tutberidze team interested in competing?
- No, trust me. It's annoying, not interesting. Fans, people from the outside - yes, they like it. “Oh, look, what a fight there, fire!” It's cool for them, and you're right, it raises popularity, but we still wouldn't want it. It interferes with work.
- In the context of that season, I have to ask about your tough reaction to the transfers from the team of Eteri Georgievna. Why did you react like that?
-It’s all about how some of the transitions happened. You have to leave beautifully - that's all. Of course, we are not slaves, and if for some reason you stopped finding a common language with the coach, you have to leave. The only question is how do you do it.
When it comes to difficult times, a pandemic, everything is so bad. So many things have been invested in you, programs have been put on, costumes have been sewn, and you turn around and silently do all this - yes, I consider this a betrayal. I take these things very seriously.
But in general, to transitions - no, absolutely normal. Suppose, when Yegor Rukhin left, I did not say a word. He did everything beautifully - he came in advance, he informed. He didn’t wag his tail, but talked, presented these notorious flowers. And no one said anything to him.
And if you let the team down before the start of the season, then, of course, it's an insult. Isn't this a betrayal? In my opinion, it definitely is.
- Well, to the same Alena Kostornaya you were quite harsh even after her last transition.
- I just tried to convey to her with my language that she needed to work.
-So she still didn't work?
- Not the way it should be. Eteri will not just say goodbye, agree. She gave me a second chance, but the result was the same. This team will not tolerate this.
Yes, and what I said is not rude. If a person understands everything correctly, then everything will be fine. And about the fact that you stepped off the pedestal and now you are nobody, - Eteri says this to her girls all the time, because it's true. This is exactly what I tried to convey to Alena - that you need not to turn your tail, but to work. And do not look around in search of the guilty, but delve into yourself. Then she'll be fine.
It seems to me that Alena has just youthful maximalism. She wants to try everything - and sing, and ride horses. And this is fine, you need to look for yourself while there are opportunities. But you are still a public person, a whole army of fans expects results from you. And when he is gone, they begin to look for the guilty - Eteri, her team, everyone else. Where is the work? Alena needs to understand herself - that's all.
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part 4:
- There is an opinion that some key provisions at the ISU congress are introduced because of Eteri Georgievna and her girls. The same age limit, for example. Do you agree?
- You know, it's very similar. We can sort through a bunch of options why this is happening, but I am 100% sure that the dominance of the "Etherian" already infuriates and annoys everyone. Especially at the international level. They also want to stand with a gold medal around their necks. So they think that if they raise the age limit, girls will not be able to jump ultra-si. But this is an erroneous opinion.
Let them raise the age limit, what else to say. But looking for some roundabout loopholes to stand on a pedestal is wrong. Because of this, figure skating will roll back by 20 years. This is a young sport, and they will achieve that mature aunts will wipe the ice with their priests. Ultra-si will be jumped by single athletes.
But the Tutberidze team cannot be defeated by this. There is spirit, willpower and systematic work. If we don't take it there, we'll take it somewhere else. Therefore, if they think that they can break us with the age limit, no, this is stupidity. Dirty methods, as in the Olympics, do not win.
- Are you talking about the situation with Kamila?
- Oh sure. You never know why this could happen - a provocation, a contaminated product, they could have been poured on purpose. But it all opened up at the Olympics. There is no need to think about why everything was done - to trample and destroy us right on the spot. An attempt to plunge Mother Russia head into a latrine.
Kamila then should not have been allowed to the Olympics at all, if you are such guardians of the rules. And why did they even divulge information about her if she is a minor? All this is disgusting. We were given a show flogging, that's all.
And Kamila have such gorgeous physical characteristics - well, what dope? This is just nonsense. Doping in figure skating does not help.
- Is it?
Are you talking about endurance? So you know what Kamila is by nature. Even the programs show how she performs them. And if I can say about some other skaters that they need doping, because they can barely crawl on the ice, then Kamila is rushing like a tank. And Sasha Trusova too. There are such natural characteristic and such training that outside help is not needed. I am sure of this because I know these girls.
- Do you have a feeling that many skaters from the group will finish with the sport?
—I think it all depends on the timing. If everything drags on for a long time, many athletes will begin to finish. Still, an incentive for any athlete is to compete at the international level, and not at domestic competitions. If it’s a year or two, then I think there won’t be a strong outflow.
As for our Olympic trio, everything will depend on their goals in life. The same Anyuta Shcherbakova, in fact, achieved everything, took Olympic gold. Kamila won the team tournament - and I continue to say that this is a well-deserved gold. Perhaps she has enough ambition and health to go to the next Olympics. And the same with Sasha. Everything will depend on them. Of course, everyone wants these unique girls to stay as long as possible.
-What about the coaches? Now there is such a discourse, they say, does it make sense for Tutberidze to stay in Russia if we have been removed from everywhere?
-Oh, this is total bullshit. Eteri has everything here. It is clear that her daughter trains in the States, there are cool specialists, they work with her individually to bring the pair to a serious level. Is it bad? In my opinion, no.
It’s just that today political affairs are rushing ahead of the locomotive, some incomprehensible accusations that if Eteri went to her daughter in America, this is all, almost a betrayal. Well, stupidity! She went to her daughter, not to support America! She has everything in Russia - work, fame, hard work. She worked hard for decades to achieve what she has now, and suddenly she has to give it all up and go to train in the USA? It won't happen, it's surreal and nonsense.
— Can you tell us how the idea to go to Donbass with master classes came about?
- I have been observing this situation for a long time, I sent gifts to figure skaters from the DPR and LPR. My cousine lives in Donetsk. And I got the idea to go there to work with the skaters on a charity basis, because I can imagine what's going on there.
Poor children sit in basements, they do not see life, this war is constant. At the same time, they train, skate, fearing each time that the skating rink would be subjected to artillery fire. This is quite clear to me. Some "well-wishers" wrote that I announced a fundraiser and I was going there out of selfish interests. This is unpleasant. My team and I are going there to give free master classes from the bottom of our hearts, without earning a dime on it. On the contrary, investing our money.
And we announced the fees so that there would be an opportunity to buy more gifts, because there will be 300 people. It takes a lot of finance to make them a holiday, but I'm still not a millionaire.
Now we finally decided to go, because the hot phase of the conflict is going on. I wanted to support these children, give them a positive charge so that they can move on in life. Maybe one of them will later become a great figure skater, choreographer or coach - who knows? They may have such a life, and we would like to return them to it. To make them feel supported.
We are going in the near future, the whole event will last about a week. We do not disclose the specific dates of the trip in the public space - we were immediately warned by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR that this should not be done - it is dangerous. You never know, suddenly there will be some kind of provocation or something. Therefore, simply - "in the near future."
- Isn't it scary to go?
- Scary, of course. All sorts of thoughts come into my head ... On the other hand, how do people live there for 8 years? War is always scary, but what to do. And when you think about it, you begin to understand that you are here, roughly speaking, in abundance, and there people endure hardships. Therefore, we have a charity trip, to children. Not political, not military. And the fact that some arrange such scribbling is disgusting.
- There is an opinion that some key provisions at the ISU congress are introduced because of Eteri Georgievna and her girls. The same age limit, for example. Do you agree?
- You know, it's very similar. We can sort through a bunch of options why this is happening, but I am 100% sure that the dominance of the "Etherian" already infuriates and annoys everyone. Especially at the international level. They also want to stand with a gold medal around their necks. So they think that if they raise the age limit, girls will not be able to jump ultra-si. But this is an erroneous opinion.
Let them raise the age limit, what else to say. But looking for some roundabout loopholes to stand on a pedestal is wrong. Because of this, figure skating will roll back by 20 years. This is a young sport, and they will achieve that mature aunts will wipe the ice with their priests. Ultra-si will be jumped by single athletes.
But the Tutberidze team cannot be defeated by this. There is spirit, willpower and systematic work. If we don't take it there, we'll take it somewhere else. Therefore, if they think that they can break us with the age limit, no, this is stupidity. Dirty methods, as in the Olympics, do not win.
- Are you talking about the situation with Kamila?
- Oh sure. You never know why this could happen - a provocation, a contaminated product, they could have been poured on purpose. But it all opened up at the Olympics. There is no need to think about why everything was done - to trample and destroy us right on the spot. An attempt to plunge Mother Russia head into a latrine.
Kamila then should not have been allowed to the Olympics at all, if you are such guardians of the rules. And why did they even divulge information about her if she is a minor? All this is disgusting. We were given a show flogging, that's all.
And Kamila have such gorgeous physical characteristics - well, what dope? This is just nonsense. Doping in figure skating does not help.
- Is it?
Are you talking about endurance? So you know what Kamila is by nature. Even the programs show how she performs them. And if I can say about some other skaters that they need doping, because they can barely crawl on the ice, then Kamila is rushing like a tank. And Sasha Trusova too. There are such natural characteristic and such training that outside help is not needed. I am sure of this because I know these girls.
- Do you have a feeling that many skaters from the group will finish with the sport?
—I think it all depends on the timing. If everything drags on for a long time, many athletes will begin to finish. Still, an incentive for any athlete is to compete at the international level, and not at domestic competitions. If it’s a year or two, then I think there won’t be a strong outflow.
As for our Olympic trio, everything will depend on their goals in life. The same Anyuta Shcherbakova, in fact, achieved everything, took Olympic gold. Kamila won the team tournament - and I continue to say that this is a well-deserved gold. Perhaps she has enough ambition and health to go to the next Olympics. And the same with Sasha. Everything will depend on them. Of course, everyone wants these unique girls to stay as long as possible.
-What about the coaches? Now there is such a discourse, they say, does it make sense for Tutberidze to stay in Russia if we have been removed from everywhere?
-Oh, this is total bullshit. Eteri has everything here. It is clear that her daughter trains in the States, there are cool specialists, they work with her individually to bring the pair to a serious level. Is it bad? In my opinion, no.
It’s just that today political affairs are rushing ahead of the locomotive, some incomprehensible accusations that if Eteri went to her daughter in America, this is all, almost a betrayal. Well, stupidity! She went to her daughter, not to support America! She has everything in Russia - work, fame, hard work. She worked hard for decades to achieve what she has now, and suddenly she has to give it all up and go to train in the USA? It won't happen, it's surreal and nonsense.
— Can you tell us how the idea to go to Donbass with master classes came about?
- I have been observing this situation for a long time, I sent gifts to figure skaters from the DPR and LPR. My cousine lives in Donetsk. And I got the idea to go there to work with the skaters on a charity basis, because I can imagine what's going on there.
Poor children sit in basements, they do not see life, this war is constant. At the same time, they train, skate, fearing each time that the skating rink would be subjected to artillery fire. This is quite clear to me. Some "well-wishers" wrote that I announced a fundraiser and I was going there out of selfish interests. This is unpleasant. My team and I are going there to give free master classes from the bottom of our hearts, without earning a dime on it. On the contrary, investing our money.
And we announced the fees so that there would be an opportunity to buy more gifts, because there will be 300 people. It takes a lot of finance to make them a holiday, but I'm still not a millionaire.
Now we finally decided to go, because the hot phase of the conflict is going on. I wanted to support these children, give them a positive charge so that they can move on in life. Maybe one of them will later become a great figure skater, choreographer or coach - who knows? They may have such a life, and we would like to return them to it. To make them feel supported.
We are going in the near future, the whole event will last about a week. We do not disclose the specific dates of the trip in the public space - we were immediately warned by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR that this should not be done - it is dangerous. You never know, suddenly there will be some kind of provocation or something. Therefore, simply - "in the near future."
- Isn't it scary to go?
- Scary, of course. All sorts of thoughts come into my head ... On the other hand, how do people live there for 8 years? War is always scary, but what to do. And when you think about it, you begin to understand that you are here, roughly speaking, in abundance, and there people endure hardships. Therefore, we have a charity trip, to children. Not political, not military. And the fact that some arrange such scribbling is disgusting.
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I shortened the interview a bit - I removed the fragment where Alexey talks about his acquaintance with the stars of Russian show business. These people outside of Russia are unknown and uninteresting to anyone.
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Well, very interesting. I wish all people who like to badmouth Eteri so much would read this. But they probably won't come to this fanfest.. 
About Alenka, I agree with him completely. She needs Eteri discipline, we will see the results of her transfer soon, if ever... But I will continue loving her anyway...
About Rozanov, I think he's right. That's all.
Oh and his words about the duel are most interesting, I'd never thought he was actually serious..
About Alenka, I agree with him completely. She needs Eteri discipline, we will see the results of her transfer soon, if ever... But I will continue loving her anyway...
About Rozanov, I think he's right. That's all.
Oh and his words about the duel are most interesting, I'd never thought he was actually serious..
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As for Zheleznyakov and his well, not very favourable media look and some of his statements. I usually agree with his stands, not always with his way of expressing them. But in this interview I 90 % agree with him.
And thank you to @Alex Fedorov for the translation.
And thank you to @Alex Fedorov for the translation.
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That's exactly what I think after reading this long interview with him.And as always, thank you for your work again, Alex!
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