The 2008 Election
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Ptichka said:
First off I voted for Bush and not due to my morals alone. My most pressing concern was because of terrorism and no it wasn't because of the scare tactics that some people are saying Bush used to persuade people to vote the way they did. In fact, my concern with terrorism was even before Bush came to power. it actually came into being when Clinton was in power and Clinton I felt did absolutely nada with it, especially with the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and with the U.S.S. Cole. With 9/11, that was our first and true taste of what terrorism felt like unlike in other countries wher they already felt it. But as for morals. What is so wrong with voting for morals? I think it's wrong and disrespectful of people who look down on others who choose to vote that way. Who are we to question why they voted the way they did? And who are we to think that we know better and they don't? I think such thinking is one of the reasons why this country is so divided. Even when I voted, morals was taken into consideration and I did not feel that Kerry shared them for the most part. You may not understand it but at least you can try to respect them for it instead of putting them down for it as I've seen so many people do already. It doesn't matter what you believe in or what not but we should respect each other nonetheless.
As for 2008, I'd probably put my support behind McCain or Guiliani. Maybe hopefully Allen as well if he runs.
And Hilary?
There's no way I'd vote for her even though she's a woman.
Although I'm interested to see how Edwards will fare and Kerry also implied he'd run again.
And Hilary?
There's no way I'd vote for her even though she's a woman. Although I'm interested to see how Edwards will fare and Kerry also implied he'd run again.
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Already, even before the new House and Senate is seated, which is more uni-party than ever, this new Omnibus bill has a provision that any pharmacist, doctor or hospital can refuse you service based on their convictions, not yours.
A number of groups oppose birth control, as well as abortions, vasectomies, and other forms of family planning.
Also be aware that importation of Canadian drugs over the internet is about to become illegal-but with luck you can find an American pharmacy on Line.
If you use prescription birth control pills, I hope you have a pharmacy close to you where you can trust your pharmacist to dispense the pills, because you may well be learning to do without, as happens now in Texas.
And BTW euterpe, CNN is not liberal...in fact often it is worse than Fox since Turner sold it. Now the NYT's editorial page is moderately liberal. And it estimated that the court, if Bush gets to appoint 2 or 3 judges (which seems likely) will do all sorts of mischief. Roe v Wade will not be the only casualty.
If you want relatively straight,unbiased news, try CSPAN.
If you want liberal news, you have to try Air America radio.
A number of groups oppose birth control, as well as abortions, vasectomies, and other forms of family planning.
Also be aware that importation of Canadian drugs over the internet is about to become illegal-but with luck you can find an American pharmacy on Line.
If you use prescription birth control pills, I hope you have a pharmacy close to you where you can trust your pharmacist to dispense the pills, because you may well be learning to do without, as happens now in Texas.
And BTW euterpe, CNN is not liberal...in fact often it is worse than Fox since Turner sold it. Now the NYT's editorial page is moderately liberal. And it estimated that the court, if Bush gets to appoint 2 or 3 judges (which seems likely) will do all sorts of mischief. Roe v Wade will not be the only casualty.
If you want relatively straight,unbiased news, try CSPAN.
If you want liberal news, you have to try Air America radio.
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The election
I found this election to be incredibly depressing. The Republican party used hatemongering tactics to bring out the anti-gay vote -- and it looks like it worked. Bush's record is one of favoring the rich and shafting the poor, indifference to civil rights, total budgetary incompetence (a $200 budget surplus in 2000 turned into a $422 deficit now), a destructive policy toward the environment and a disintegration of the separation between church and state (so much for the Constitution).
Conservatives can try to push the blame on Clinton all they want, but the fact of the matter is that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch (who apparently was too preoccupied reading My Pet Goat and taking vacations prior to the attack).
However, the truth is that the majority (51%) of people spoke. Bush is our president again. So I will have to learn to live with it. But there were many (48.5%) who disagreed. I believe the president is a decent human being, but I have no respect for his policies or his administration. He is wrecking our country. I will continue to point out his horrendous mistakes. Since Bush is such a religious man, he should remember that PRIDE is one of The Seven Deadly Sins.
I found this election to be incredibly depressing. The Republican party used hatemongering tactics to bring out the anti-gay vote -- and it looks like it worked. Bush's record is one of favoring the rich and shafting the poor, indifference to civil rights, total budgetary incompetence (a $200 budget surplus in 2000 turned into a $422 deficit now), a destructive policy toward the environment and a disintegration of the separation between church and state (so much for the Constitution).
Conservatives can try to push the blame on Clinton all they want, but the fact of the matter is that 9/11 happened on Bush's watch (who apparently was too preoccupied reading My Pet Goat and taking vacations prior to the attack).
However, the truth is that the majority (51%) of people spoke. Bush is our president again. So I will have to learn to live with it. But there were many (48.5%) who disagreed. I believe the president is a decent human being, but I have no respect for his policies or his administration. He is wrecking our country. I will continue to point out his horrendous mistakes. Since Bush is such a religious man, he should remember that PRIDE is one of The Seven Deadly Sins.
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Looking ahead to 2008
I agree it is too early to speculate for 2008. However...
On the Republican side, Sen. Bill Frist (Tenn.) and Sen. Rick Santorum (Pa.) are strong religious conservatives who would play well to the Religious Right but might be too extreme for the country. Rudy Guliani is popular with moderate Republicans and independents, but his pro-abortion and pro-gay rights stance would be a hard sell within the GOP. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) could unite the conservative and moderate wings of the party, but in 2008 he will be 72. Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.) could likewise do so. Right now he is relatively unknown -- which is both an advantage and a disadvantage.
For the Democrats, two swing state governors -- Tom Vilsack of Iowa and Bill Richardson of New Mexico are often mentioned. Iowa has more electoral votes but Richardson is Hispanic, which could be a historic first for the Democratic ticket. If they're looking for a southerner, John Edwards or Virginia Governor Mark Warner are possibilities. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) is too young and inexperienced for 2008, but is definitely a rising star (he has ruled out a run in 4 years). Finally, there is Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.). A woman at the top of the ticket would be historic and she has many supporters in both the liberal and moderate wings of the party. However, she is extremely polarizing with the country at large.
I agree it is too early to speculate for 2008. However...
On the Republican side, Sen. Bill Frist (Tenn.) and Sen. Rick Santorum (Pa.) are strong religious conservatives who would play well to the Religious Right but might be too extreme for the country. Rudy Guliani is popular with moderate Republicans and independents, but his pro-abortion and pro-gay rights stance would be a hard sell within the GOP. Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) could unite the conservative and moderate wings of the party, but in 2008 he will be 72. Sen. Chuck Hagel (Neb.) could likewise do so. Right now he is relatively unknown -- which is both an advantage and a disadvantage.
For the Democrats, two swing state governors -- Tom Vilsack of Iowa and Bill Richardson of New Mexico are often mentioned. Iowa has more electoral votes but Richardson is Hispanic, which could be a historic first for the Democratic ticket. If they're looking for a southerner, John Edwards or Virginia Governor Mark Warner are possibilities. Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) is too young and inexperienced for 2008, but is definitely a rising star (he has ruled out a run in 4 years). Finally, there is Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.). A woman at the top of the ticket would be historic and she has many supporters in both the liberal and moderate wings of the party. However, she is extremely polarizing with the country at large.
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