The Tutberidze Effect

[Fried]

It was not about Medvedeva. It wasn't about Eteri either. I thought of Sasha and the guy who teaches modern dance or something at Team Tut. I don't remember his name. Eteri is far too clever and mastered to let thoughtless words escape her. However, she did not contradict and corrected the said, but packed the content with flowers in innocuous words and posted it on Instagram.

 

[Orlov]

It was not about Medvedeva. It wasn't about Eteri either. I thought of Sasha and the guy who teaches modern dance or something at Team Tut. I don't remember his name. Eteri is far too clever and mastered to let thoughtless words escape her. However, she did not contradict and corrected nothing, but packed the content with flowers in innocuous words and posted it on Instagram.

I didn't follow the situation with Sasha's transfer very closely. What happened? Zheleznyakov said that Sasha should not have left Khrustalniy and he does not agree with her transfer?

 

[Fried]

Please search for the articles by yourself. They should all still be found online. In my opinion, it became quite offensive. He described Sasha as a traitor who no longer exists for the team. This is what an "adult" man said about his former 15-year-old student. It was just embarrassing.

 

[Orlov]

Please search for the articles by yourself. They should all still be found online. In my opinion, it became quite offensive. He described Sasha as a traitor who no longer exists for the team. This is what an "adult" man said about his former 15-year-old student. It was just embarrassing.

Seriously? Did he say that? "Sasha is a traitor and she no longer exists for us"?

Changing the policy of this forum "a friend does not send a friend to Google"

 

[Fried]

Seriously? Did he say that? "Sasha is a traitor and she no longer exists for us"?

Yes. At least according to Google Translate.

 

[Fried]

If I remember correctly, the online articles quoted from an Instagram post. He is said to have deleted it later, but the online articles must still be found if you search in Russian.

 

[Orlov]

And please explain what you meant by saying

However, she did not contradict and corrected the said, but packed the content with flowers in innocuous words and posted it on Instagram.

I went to Eteri's instagram and found only this post dedicated to Sasha's transition. As for me, the post is very tactful, and Eteri says what I told you. What are the claims against Eteri? What are your complaints about Eteri, not Zheleznyakov?


Of course, it is impossible to get used to the athletes' leaving. Because working together, we eventually become a family, overcoming constantly arising obstacles on the way. Good athletes and specialists will always be invited, and offer more favorable conditions. How to respond to these suggestions is everyone's own decision. But our team is different in that we educate ourselves and create these athletes and specialists. Of course, we will never offer more tempting terms, otherwise trust will disappear. Working together, we give part of our lives, part of ourselves.

#continuetowork

This is a very dignity speech. Yes, she indirectly says that in the FS there are unscrupulous coaches who build castles in the air in front of athletes. But she does not treat athletes as thoughtless subjects, as a resource. She doesn't say "taken from me." She says "everyone's own decision". And in this difference between her words and words of Volkov, there is a huge difference in the system of values, in the worldview.

 

[Fried]

“If you decide to leave, you should do it in the correct way, not as it was done by Trusova. When a person is a traitor, she doesn’t exist for us anymore,” Tutberidze’s choreographer, Alexey Zheleznyakov, said.


https://www.rt.com/sport/488204-alexandra-trusova-quits-tutberidze/

 

[Orlov]

“If you decide to leave, you should do it in the correct way, not as it was done by Trusova. When a person is a traitor, she doesn’t exist for us anymore,” Tutberidze’s choreographer, Alexey Zheleznyakov, said.


https://www.rt.com/sport/488204-alexandra-trusova-quits-tutberidze/

Found original. No, Zheleznyakov as for me did not say "she no longer exists for us".

This is not the original phrase. The original phrase is incomprehensible, to be honest. Yes, this phrase can be interpreted as in this article. And Eteri's opponents will insist on this interpretation

in original - "When a person betrays, he ceases to exist for us and everyone." for me it looks more like an exclamation made in live speech, with an emotional generalization. In any case, these words should not be used as a reproach to Eteri.

 

[Fried]

Yes, this phrase can be interpreted as in this article. And Eteri's opponents will insist on this interpretation

Why suddenly so mild? I think after the term "traitor" comes up, the scope for interpretation is very small and everyone except Eteri supporters will consider this interpretation obvious.

Incidentally, Daniil hadn't exactly gotten glory when he told the press that after the decision was made (!) he tried to contact Sasha by phone, but she didn't answer. Overall, a very questionable behavior.

 

[Orlov]

Why suddenly so mild? I think after the term "traitor" comes up, the scope for interpretation is very small and everyone except Eteri supporters will consider this interpretation obvious.

I answered above. The most important thing is that you can't put Zheleznyakov's words as a reproach to Eteri.

Incidentally, Daniil hadn't exactly gotten glory when he told the press that after the decision was made (!) he tried to contact Sasha by phone, but she didn't answer. Overall, a very questionable behavior.

Why? It's just information.

 

[plushyfan]

https://360tv.ru/news/sport/horeograf-gruppy-tutberidze-nazval-uhod-trusovoj-predatelstvom/
Он считает уход Трусовой предательством, поэтому отписался от фигуристки в Instagram.

«Когда человек предает, он перестает для нас и каждого существовать», — заметил хореограф.

По мнению Железнякова, покидать тренера нужно правильно, а не «так, как это было сделано». А значит, его мнение полностью совпадает с реакцией Тутберидзе, которая тоже расценила ситуацию как предательство.

После перехода Трусовой к Плющенко «уважение и любовь попросту куда-то улетучиваются», добавил хореограф.

in english:

He considers the departure of Trusova a betrayal, so he unsubscribed from the skater on Instagram.

“When a person betrays, he ceases to exist for us and everyone,” the choreographer noted.

According to Zheleznyakov, leaving the coach should be correct, and not "the way it was done." So, his opinion completely coincides with the reaction of Tutberidze, who also regarded the situation as a betrayal.

After Trusova's transition to Plushenko, "respect and love simply disappear somewhere," the choreographer added.

It was really "nice" from Zheleznyakov.



Intersting Arutyunian reacted it Zheleznyakov called Trusova a traitor: https://sport.business-gazeta.ru/news/254970

.."group’s choreographer, Tutberidze Alexei Zheleznyakov, gave an interview to Sport Express , in which he described Trusova’s transition to Plushenko as a betrayal, comparing this to a stab in the back.

“ I can't understand this at all. Why then did none of the coaches say that Trusova committed a betrayal when she went to Tutberidze from her previous mentor Alexander Volkov? - says Harutyunyan. - It turns out that all those who come to the group from other specialists are never traitors, but become such when they leave? This is even funny. In my opinion, this is impossible. You take an athlete to your place - say thank you to the one who prepared him for you. Leaving you - wish good luck. ”

 

[Fried]

I answered above. The most important thing is that you can't put Zheleznyakov's words as a reproach to Eteri.

Who made Eteri responsible? I had explicitly written that I was not talking about Eteri. I spoke of the team. Deliberately, since Eteri never tires of emphasizing that everything happens in a team. If so, then a team boss should definitely say something if one of his team members becomes publicly failing. This has nothing to do with totalitarianism. This is called taking responsibility.

Why? It's just information.

Why? Because Sasha is a minor and her guardian had finally resolved the matter. Do you then call the minor? It is absolutely inappropriate. Please don't portray yourself as so naive!



Apart from that, the topic has already been dealt with exhaustively here. I'm tired. No herb has grown against TT fans. You only see the positive, everything else falls under "Eteri haters". A very simple world.

 

[Orlov]

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I already found the original. I wrote above-I believe that Alexey did not Express the opinion of the entire staff, it was an emotional exclamation.

Once again, why are you writing to me about Alexey's emotions? I was talking about the difference between the philosophy of Eteri and that of Volkov. Eteri outlined her worldview in an instagram post. I will only discuss the actions of Eteri, not the outsourcer's emotional assistant.

 

[Orlov]

Why? Because Sasha is a minor and her guardian had finally resolved the matter. Do you then call the minor? It is absolutely inappropriate. Please don't portray yourself as so naive!

Whaaaat???!!! What the hell are you talking about??

 

[plushyfan]

I already found the original. I wrote above-I believe that Alexey did not Express the opinion of the entire staff, it was an emotional exclamation.

Once again, why are you writing to me about Alexey's emotions? I was talking about the difference between the philosophy of Eteri and that of Volkov. Eteri outlined her worldview in an instagram post. I will only discuss the actions of Eteri, not the outsourcer's emotional assistant.

Of, course...of course..team Tutberidze is flawless... otherwise you have an old avatar

 

[Fried]

Can someone explain to me what is deleted here and why? I just don't understand it and find it scandalous at times.

 

[Thrashergurl]

I guess I don’t understand why it’s okay for Eteri to kick a skater out of her group, but not okay for a skater to find a coach that’s a better fit for that skater. It all seems so childish for coaches or choreographers to rant to the public, or make posts about it.

 

[Scott512]

It's not about "bad" words. Volkov behaved like a petty, pathetic person. Like he told - "yes, Kostornaya tried to jump a trixel, but after hit the ice couple times - immediately stopped wanting this". The linguistic barrier and Google translation do not allow me to fully convey exactly what it sounded like. He said this with almost undisguised inner gloating, envy. It was so pathetic and petty, just

I began to dislike him long before I found out that he was on Plushenko's team or that he was talking against Eteri. I remember him saying in "Ice Age" (more precisely, not in the show itself, but in additional materials) - "it's one thing for a student to leave you, but it's another thing for a student to be taken away from you" Тaken away from you! As if the student is some kind of his own toy. He only seems kind, it's all dust in the eyes. But in fact, he believes that the student is his property. That is why he had a conflict with the father of Sasha Trusova (people say that Sasha's father even beat him for this). And then, your beloved Volkov told that Sasha is "wooden". Your Volkov is full of bs.

People are so petty against this great coach and her great team
that are keeping Russian Sports afloat in recent years. It's really unbelievable. I hope TAT didn't get treated like EG is back in the day.. or maybe this explains why she's always hard on people except her faves of course.

 

[Scott512]

https://360tv.ru/news/sport/horeograf-gruppy-tutberidze-nazval-uhod-trusovoj-predatelstvom/
Он считает уход Трусовой предательством, поэтому отписался от фигуристки в Instagram.

«Когда человек предает, он перестает для нас и каждого существовать», — заметил хореограф.

По мнению Железнякова, покидать тренера нужно правильно, а не «так, как это было сделано». А значит, его мнение полностью совпадает с реакцией Тутберидзе, которая тоже расценила ситуацию как предательство.

После перехода Трусовой к Плющенко «уважение и любовь попросту куда-то улетучиваются», добавил хореограф.

in english:

He considers the departure of Trusova a betrayal, so he unsubscribed from the skater on Instagram.

“When a person betrays, he ceases to exist for us and everyone,” the choreographer noted.

According to Zheleznyakov, leaving the coach should be correct, and not "the way it was done." So, his opinion completely coincides with the reaction of Tutberidze, who also regarded the situation as a betrayal.

After Trusova's transition to Plushenko, "respect and love simply disappear somewhere," the choreographer added.

It was really "nice" from Zheleznyakov.



Intersting Arutyunian reacted it Zheleznyakov called Trusova a traitor: https://sport.business-gazeta.ru/news/254970

.."group’s choreographer, Tutberidze Alexei Zheleznyakov, gave an interview to Sport Express , in which he described Trusova’s transition to Plushenko as a betrayal, comparing this to a stab in the back.

“ I can't understand this at all. Why then did none of the coaches say that Trusova committed a betrayal when she went to Tutberidze from her previous mentor Alexander Volkov? - says Harutyunyan. - It turns out that all those who come to the group from other specialists are never traitors, but become such when they leave? This is even funny. In my opinion, this is impossible. You take an athlete to your place - say thank you to the one who prepared him for you. Leaving you - wish good luck. ”

If that guy really said that about Sasha he should be totally embarrassed. I was disappointed Sasha left for whatever reasons but for a mature adult to say that about a 15 year old kid is disgusting. The head of the Russian figure skating Federation needs to talk to the coaches and choreographers about not saying things to harm their former pupils when they leave for whatever reasons. This Z guy should be embarrassed if he actually used the word traitor.

Fortunately EG did not say anything negative about Sasha when she left.