The Tutberidze Effect

[flanker]

I guess I don’t understand why it’s okay for Eteri to kick a skater out of her group, but not okay for a skater to find a coach that’s a better fit for that skater. It all seems so childish for coaches or choreographers to rant to the public, or make posts about it.

Strawman. As usually.

 

[Skatesocs]

I have read this thread in its entirety now, and I have still no understanding of what the Tutberidze effect is, apart from perhaps its being a vexatious school of thought to which I simply don't subscribe.

 

[plushyfan]

Can someone explain to me what is deleted here and why? I just don't understand it and find it scandalous at times.

I can. Orlov concretly insulted Trusova with his hard opinion that was deleted and the responds to that post from us, too. That is not allowed. But anybody can bash the coaches, etc.

 

[Orlov]

I can. Orlov concretly insulted Trusova with his hard opinion that was deleted and the responds to that post from us, too. That is not allowed. But anybody can bash the coaches, etc.

You're being unethical because no one can see what I wrote.

 

[plushyfan]

If that guy really said that about Sasha he should be totally embarrassed. I was disappointed Sasha left for whatever reasons but for a mature adult to say that about a 15 year old kid is disgusting. The head of the Russian figure skating Federation needs to talk to the coaches and choreographers about not saying things to harm their former pupils when they leave for whatever reasons. This Z guy should be embarrassed if he actually used the word traitor.

Fortunately EG did not say anything negative about Sasha when she left.

oh, thank you. But I'm not sure in ET.


The whole story:

Layshev, the owner of tha Sambo also wrote sasha is a traitor.

More Zheleznyakov: https://russian.rt.com/sport/news/745606-zheleznyakov-trusova-predatelstvo

“I didn’t ask for this interview, I was asked, I expressed my opinion. In your opinion, should I sing praises? And Plushenko’s academy spits in our faces, does this also need to be released on the brakes? Everyone is entitled to their opinion! Is the word “betrayal” already on the line with offensive words? If we pat the heads of parents and children for this, then what will happen next? Let's calm down already. This was the last commentary on what was happening, then there was complete silence, ”Zheleznyakov wrote on VKontakte.

other quotes:
At the same time, according to him, Khrustalny is not going to keep persuading even the brightest stars, since "with such a coaching team you can raise new champions." Finally, Zheleznyakov sarcastically suggested Plushenko to hire Tutberidze as a program director for the Russian Rocket,

“Dear Eugene, I suggest not to waste time on trifles, but immediately contact Eteri Tutberidze, try to hire her. Let him call, explain the situation, so, they say, and so, we are looking for a director, help.

"“Sasha’s fans write to me in a personal and commentary such that my hair is moving, some people even think I should turn to psychologists, but thank God, they are few,” Zheleznyakov wrote on his VKontakte page.

And here is the glaring fact of complete disrespect, it's called sticking a knife in the back. Who thinks otherwise is your full right. I can only say one thing. I wish you never experience the feelings that Eteri is experiencing now, "Zheleznyakov quoted Sports.ru as citing a page on VKontakte .

"And here is the glaring fact of complete disrespect, it's called sticking a knife in the back. Who thinks otherwise is your full right. I can only say one thing. I wish you never experience the feelings that Eteri is experiencing now, "Zheleznyakov quoted Sports.ru as citing a page on VKontakte ."

interview with him : https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1085374827.html

The choreographer of the Eteri Tutberidze group, Alexei Zheleznyakov, spoke about the transition of figure skater Alexandra Trusova to coach Evgeni Plushenko.

- Trusova will succeed in a new place, what do you think?

- Oh, I don’t know, this is a difficult question. In my opinion, Sasha, like all our girls, was spurred on by the strongest competition in the team, this is where the real engine of progress lies. What will happen now? Best among the worst? Will there be such a thrill of training, the desire to surpass a fellow pot, sorry? Oh, I doubt something. In the end, there are many examples, and bitter examples, unfortunately, but they do not teach anyone anything.

- You said that you would not leave the Tutberidze group even for a million dollars. And there were offers in general, maybe from the Plushenko Academy at one time? Were there many zeros in them?

- Yes, they did, but not Russian schools, but foreign ones. And the conditions were very good, but no, you won’t wait.

- How would a choreographer advise whom Plushenko should take to stage programs for Alexandra?

- Dear Eugene, I suggest not to waste time on trifles, but immediately contact Eteri Tutberidze, try to hire her. Let him call, explain the situation, so, they say, and so, we are looking for a director, help. It will be interesting to see all this, in fact.

- There are always rumors that someone else will go to Plushenko's academy - the names of Zhilina, Usacheva, Samsonov appeared. There is a deal of truth in it?

- Honestly, I have no particular desire to get into all this. I’m very unpleasant about situations like this, for me, these children are all like relatives. But very often parental ambitions overshadow all common sense, and as a rule, this does not turn into a plus, but a minus. If people want to leave, no one will hold back. With such a coaching team, you can grow new champions. Let everyone think and choose their own path, ”said Zheleznyakov.

the answer of Plush was on his IG stories..if anybody can show us it will be great.

Zheleznyakov message it was deleted but the internet doesn't forget. Some quotes in the articles were from it.

https://twitter.com/SkatingLesson/status/1259854120971886599 - he personally attacked Rudkovskaya, too. He wrote she is a mentally ill person and so on...

Her elegant response And this is in english https://twitter.com/KiraraChin/status/1259768029388386304

 

[plushyfan]

You're being unethical because no one can see what I wrote.

Am I unethical?:eeking: You wrote that opinion about Trusova a 16. y.o. athlete who is a proud of Russia! Just because she left your saint. Yes, the admin deleted it but you wrote what you wrote! this post shows everything.
Well, Im happy you don't like Plushenko. :thumbsup:

p.s.: I can send your word to everybody in private. If they curious about it. :sarcasm:

 

[Fried]

I can. Orlov concretly insulted Trusova with his hard opinion that was deleted and the responds to that post from us, too. That is not allowed. But anybody can bash the coaches, etc.

Well, it's good to have offensive posts deleted. However, I had merely explained that after two rejected and before the completed coaching change, Daniil had enough time to address everything that was important to him. Then what is the purpose of the public statement that Sasha would not have taken a call after (!) the separation? Personally, I can think of only one logical reason: to put Sasha in a bad light. As pure information, this is otherwise completely without content.

And I want to add something else too. The statement that Eteri made after Sashas leaving is praised as dignified. It was certainly not undignified, but I expect a public statement to pay tribute to the leaving person and to wish him luck for the future. I expect not, to present himself as a victim and to blame other indirectly unfair means. (How you really feel is a completely different story! This shouldn't go public. Eteri is otherwise very economical in this regard.)

In her statement, Sasha thanked her old team extensively for the work she had done and how did the Eteri fans react to it? With mockery and ridicule. All of this can be checked at any time.
I'm not a fan of Plushenko, nor one of Tutberidze. Tutberidze's appearance in the media is otherwise decidedly more likeable to me than Plushenko's. But I despise the duplicity of the Eteri fans.

 

[Orlov]

Am I unethical?

Yes, you are. Because no one sees what I wrote. And all see only what you now write. You are unethical and childish.

 

[Fried]

I would sincerely wish that certain posters were a bit more childish. Childish means to be able to laugh at others and oneself, means to see things from all sides and to discover new things. Means curiosity and benevolence. In strong contrast to this is the hormone-bound puberty behavior of some posters, which tends to be self-determined, stubborn and arrogant.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes, you are. Because no one sees what I wrote. And all see only what you now write. You are unethical and childish.

As I said I can send your word to everybody in private. If they curious about it.

 

[plushyfan]

Well, it's good to have offensive posts deleted.

I agree with it, too. We have no rigth to criticise those persons on that way who are working so hardly day to day (especially if that person comes from same country and he didn't do anything for his nation)!...They are all great!

 

[Orlov]

As I said I can send your word to everybody in private. If they curious about it.

My "word"? I can repeat it right here - in my opinion, Trusova acted unethically when she left that way.

Your unethicality was that you wrote about a deleted post that no one saw, and relative to which anyone could imagine the most terrible insults that I allegedly inflicted on Alexandra.

 

[plushyfan]

My "word"? I can repeat it right here - in my opinion, Trusova acted unethically when she left that way.

Your unethicality was that you wrote about a deleted post that no one saw, and relative to which anyone could imagine the most terrible insults that I allegedly inflicted on Alexandra.

you used other word that was more offensive but similar. I'm bored of this matter.

 

[Orlov]

I agree with it, too. We have no rigth to criticise those persons on that way who are working so hardly day to day (especially if that person comes from same country and he didn't do anything for his nation)!...They are all great!

Not only that, you don't even realize that you are becoming even more unethical by promising to privately tell third parties about my alleged words I explain - this is called " gossip behind the eyes"

 

[Fried]

I suggest everyone take a relaxing walk in the sun.

 

[flanker]

Not only that, you don't even realize that you are becoming even more unethical by promising to privately tell third parties about my alleged words I explain - this is called " gossip behind the eyes"

Don't waste time on them

 

[Orlov]

Don't waste time on them

you're right

 

[plushyfan]

Not only that, you don't even realize that you are becoming even more unethical by promising to privately tell third parties about my alleged words I explain - this is called " gossip behind the eyes"

:eeking::eeking: I have no words. Really. I have no words. I can hardly determine what I'm feeling now. :disapp: I have no words. Fried remembers and some others, probably too. And I know the admin also remember what she deletded. It's enough for me.

I agree Fried I'm going to the sunshine.....Must go.

 

[Orlov]

:whack:

 

[Edwin]

Discussing the ethical and moral values of #TeamTutberidzeForProgress and #TeamEnvelopesToMakeThingsHappen will do you no good.

Maintain your ignore list.

Volkov has proven to be a very poor and partial judge last year in the novices.
On orders of his master or by his own accord?